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  1. #1351
    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    +rep
    Amash>Trump

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    "ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather

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  3. #1352
    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    actually, i think your 'purist' attitude and disrespect for the voting process is your main problem.

    i'm not going to debate values with you, as its clear you don't have any.
    Disrespect for the voting process? You really typed that? You can't be that dishonest. Voting your conscience is not a disrespect for the process and you know it. What is disrespectful is trying to tell people they should vote for someone they disagree with. The only wasted vote is a vote for someone you don't want to win.

    I dunno, maybe the JK in your handle is for "just kidding", and everything you post is sarcasm?
    Amash>Trump

    ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ

    "Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77

    "ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather

    "Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy



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  5. #1353
    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    I thought there was an intellectual revolution happening in 2012. I have been proven so wrong. There were a bunch of Boobuses that could tell Ron was against the current government, but apparently had no understanding of the principles for which he preached. In 2016 a socialist pretending to be anti-status quo was able to pied piper over 80% of those people. Teaching me that there was never an intellectual revolution, just a fluke where principled intellectuals and reactionary emotionalist just so happen to support the same guy in 2012.

    This new information has taught me that this all ends one way- economic collapse of a idiocracy.

    I am almost completely independent. My last piece is energy independence.


    The only solace I have is that the Trumptards will suffer.
    hypocrisy is alive and well in your faux 'liberty' mindset.

    go get another cup of coffee, and stick your thumb up your ass.

    double for you rebel poet....

  6. #1354
    btw...there is no Ron Paul running this time, and i do believe i have the right to vote, so $#@! you MR. LIBERTY.

  7. #1355
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Yeah, I know. It makes me sad though.

    it wouldn't be so sad if you respected people who made a decision that is difficult to make. There is no Ron or Rand. There is only Trump and Hillary. And i'm voting AGAINST Hillary, so take your non-vote and enjoy yourself.

  8. #1356
    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    it wouldn't be so sad if you respected people who made a decision that is difficult to make. There is no Ron or Rand. There is only Trump and Hillary. And i'm voting AGAINST Hillary, so take your non-vote and enjoy yourself.
    That is a flat out lie. In Florida, for instance, there will be twelve people. There is not only Trump and Clinton, there is Basiago, and Castle, and Clinton, and De La Fuente, and Duncan, and Fox, and Gyurko, and Johnson, and Kotlikoff, and Stein, and Trump, and Valdivia.
    Amash>Trump

    ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ

    "Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77

    "ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather

    "Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy

  9. #1357
    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    That is a flat out lie. In Florida, for instance, there will be twelve people. There is not only Trump and Clinton, there is Basiago, and Castle, and Clinton, and De La Fuente, and Duncan, and Fox, and Gyurko, and Johnson, and Kotlikoff, and Stein, and Trump, and Valdivia.
    whatever...stay in your dream world, and take your neg reps and shove it.

    voted baldwin after Ron dropped out in 2008..

    wrote in Ron when Ron dropped out in 2012..

    i'm now voting AGAINST hillary.

    Liberty gives me that option correct?...geez...some people are dense as hell.
    Last edited by JK/SEA; 10-22-2016 at 12:11 PM.

  10. #1358
    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    whatever...stay in your dream world, and take your neg reps and shove it.

    voted baldwin after Ron dropped out in 2008..

    wrote in Ron when Ron dropped out in 2012..

    i'm now voting AGAINST hillary.

    Liberty gives me that option correct?...geez...some people are dense as hell.
    Do whatever you want. Just stop lying about the number of candidates and trying to tell other people not to vote for a candidate they believe in. Talk about disrespecting the election process.
    Amash>Trump

    ΟΥ ΓΑΡ ЄCΤΙΝ ЄξΟΥCΙΑ ЄΙ ΜΗ ΥΠΟ ΘЄΟΥ

    "Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping graven images" - Ironman77

    "ideas have the potential of being more powerful than any army....The concept of personal sovereignty was pulled screaming from the ether into this reality by the force of men believing in a self evident truth, that men are meant to be free." - The Northbreather

    "Trump is the security blanket of aggrieved white men aged 18-60." - Pinoy

  11. #1359
    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    Do whatever you want. Just stop lying about the number of candidates and trying to tell other people not to vote for a candidate they believe in. Talk about disrespecting the election process.
    well hell ya got me....yep.

    you may as well vote for yourself, and forget 'debating' people on the net for all the good it does you to have ALL those candidates running.

    waste of time.

    perhaps when one of Ron's grandkids runs in 20 years we can all be friends again....maybe.

    Rome is not smoldering, its $#@!ing ashes.
    Last edited by JK/SEA; 10-22-2016 at 04:35 PM.

  12. #1360
    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    well hell ya got me....yep.

    you may as well vote for yourself, and forget 'debating' people on the net for all the good it does you to have ALL those candidates running.

    waste of time.

    perhaps when one of Ron's grandkids runs in 20 years we can all be friends again....maybe.

    Rome is not smoldering, its $#@!ing ashes.

    rewritten history with armies of their crooks - invented memories, did burn all the books... Mark Knopfler



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  14. #1361
    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    meh...maybe when you get your $#@! together, we can be friends again someday.

    maybe.

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  16. #1363
    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    it wouldn't be so sad if you respected people who made a decision that is difficult to make. There is no Ron or Rand. There is only Trump and Hillary. And i'm voting AGAINST Hillary, so take your non-vote and enjoy yourself.
    I hope this is the last I have to say here (I will make it so), but I saw this and it also made me sad. Sad because it's not the people making the choices whom I disrespect, and I feel badly that you think that's the way it is.

    I do respect the choices people make: I am a libertarian.

    However, I'm entitled to an opinion, too. And I can and do speak out if I believe a certain choice is an awful one.

    But I also respect private property, and my opinion may not be welcomed everywhere. I understand that as well.

    I've said all I can say. I don't really want to be associated with this site anymore...that's why I've tried to scrub my posts. In spite of declarations to the contrary this past Spring, this site has become very pro-Trump. Donald Trump's values are not my values. I am not going to explain that if it's not obvious. Most of you have known me for almost 10 years. Refer to Ron Paul's words about Donald Trump for further explanation, if necessary. Dr. Paul shares my values...you should know that.


    It made me sad that some who were once allies are now dragging each other down. I am guilty of that as well. And I apologize. When we wake up 2 weeks from today, discussing the aftermath of the election from the night before, it is my opinion that we will be screwed either way. I know it may not be your opinion, JK. But it is mine.


    What has shocked me in this campaign cycle — something I didn’t see in Obama/McCain 08, or Obama/Romney 12 were current or former Ron Paul supporters claiming that either Obama, McCain, or Romney were going to advance liberty if any of the 3 won the election. That RP supporters are saying that about Trump (no one has said that about Hillary and that’s why those of us who weren't torching her have not bothered) is just — mind-blowing.


    But that’s the opinion of some here on RPF….that Trump will advance liberty; that he will usher in what Ron and Rand were unable to do. From your keyboards to God’s eyes and ears. I just don’t see it. I won’t harass you on this issue any longer. It was my intention to give up in July when I received 5 infractions in the span of 6 days for dishing out what Trump supporters were throwing at me. (Message received.) The election is upon us. Pretty soon we will see if those who are giving those opinions are right or wrong.


    I truly hope you’re right. Believe me, I don’t want to be right.

  17. #1364
    Electoral College map done with State by State polling, current on 10-26-2016. Note- Clinton had 272 electoral votes before swing states.



    rewritten history with armies of their crooks - invented memories, did burn all the books... Mark Knopfler

  18. #1365
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Still stupidly holding, thinking something will change in a country of 330 million where easily 320 million of whom not only do not want freedom, but hate it.
    There are 10 million of us? When did that happen? At 10 million don't we qualify for ethnic minority status? I mean if you can become a distinct gender based on your sexual preference why can't you be a distinct ethnicity based on your political preference? That's got to be worth something right?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  19. #1366
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    There are 10 million of us? When did that happen? At 10 million don't we qualify for ethnic minority status? I mean if you can become a distinct gender based on your sexual preference why can't you be a distinct ethnicity based on your political preference? That's got to be worth something right?

    I would have said there were 2 million of us because that is how many votes Ron got during the primary, but in reality only about 400,000 people in this country truly want liberty and have the understanding to seek it. that is about 12/100ths of 1 percent.
    rewritten history with armies of their crooks - invented memories, did burn all the books... Mark Knopfler

  20. #1367
    Quote Originally Posted by torchbearer View Post
    I would have said there were 2 million of us because that is how many votes Ron got during the primary, but in reality only about 400,000 people in this country truly want liberty and have the understanding to seek it. that is about 12/100ths of 1 percent.
    Well that's as large as some Indian tribes. We should apply to get a casino or something.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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  24. #1370
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    'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ

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    'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ

  26. #1372
    But seriously friends, be safe.


    VERY good chance for martial law to be ordered while the swamp is being drained, if things get a little bit too uppity
    +
    'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ

  27. #1373
    Blimp
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  28. #1374
    Quote Originally Posted by JK/SEA View Post
    well hell ya got me....yep.

    you may as well vote for yourself, and forget 'debating' people on the net for all the good it does you to have ALL those candidates running.

    waste of time.

    perhaps when one of Ron's grandkids runs in 20 years we can all be friends again....maybe.

    Rome is not smoldering, its $#@!ing ashes.
    No, not yet.
    "The Patriarch"

  29. #1375
    Curious where JK/SEA got off to...
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  30. #1376
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Curious where JK/SEA got off to...
    He moved east of the mountains, somewhere by Spokane if I remember right. Haven't heard from him in a long time.
    "The Patriarch"



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  32. #1377
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    He moved east of the mountains, somewhere by Spokane if I remember right. Haven't heard from him in a long time.
    Yeah, I remember when he moved, and never heard much from him again.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  33. #1378
    "Never Miss a Good Chance to Shut up"

  34. #1379
    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaCato View Post
    LOL thanks.

    I like to reflect on this time: speaking of current events and not personal things, never have I had so much fun, or felt such hope for the future as I did during that brief time from 2007 to 2008 during the first Ron Paul campaign.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  35. #1380
    A smile and a tip of the hat to all of my fellow Rp forum peeps before the $#@! show tomorrow might bring
    I ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks.

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