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Thread: Did Joe Biden just have his "Hillary Clinton Coal" moment?

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    Did Joe Biden just have his "Hillary Clinton Coal" moment?

    Anyone who paid attention in 2016 and is even halfway honest knows the real reason Hillary lost wasn't some alleged Russian hacking. As her far more politically savvy husband said "It's the economy stupid." Well in 2016 Hillary Clinton said she was going to put coal miners out of work and coal companies out of businesses. She added the "We have to help them transition to new jobs" cover story....but the damage to her campaign was done.



    Fast forward to tonight. After going on and on about how he's not going to ban fracking, Joe Biden just admitted on national television that he's going to end the oil industry altogether! So....who cares if "fracking" is still allowed? Oh sure...he also included the "We're going to help them transition to new green jobs" cover story. But he still just said he was going to end the oil industry. So....for the people who work in the oil industry who haven't early voted yet....well lose Joe their votes? We shall see.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    He said by 2025 but his campaign pages say 2050. If he has not changed his stance and misspoke, he may be getting old.

    Biden Promises 100% Clean Energy, Net-Zero Emissions by 2050
    bloomberg
    Joe Biden, the front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, proposed achieving 100% clean energy and net-zero carbon emissions by 2050


    If his reflexes were sharp, he culd have brought up Fed Reserve induced Wall Street bankers/Blackrock directed $Billions or perhaps $Trillions future debt money that has gone into electric car company Tesla under Trump watch (for which Jeffrey Epstein used to lobby foreign investements) during lockdown when no one was driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So....for the people who work in the oil industry who haven't early voted yet....well lose Joe their votes? We shall see.
    Raises hand.

    And just to be clear...he means domestic oil production.

    We'll still be using plenty, but it will all be imported, from god only knows where.

    To eliminate it all would result in half the population dying.

    Huh...maybe he was telling the truth.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 10-22-2020 at 10:10 PM.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    He said by 2025 but his campaign pages say 2050. If he has not changed his stance and misspoke, he may be getting old.

    Biden Promises 100% Clean Energy, Net-Zero Emissions by 2050
    bloomberg
    Joe Biden, the front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, proposed achieving 100% clean energy and net-zero carbon emissions by 2050


    If his reflexes were sharp, he culd have brought up Fed Reserve induced Wall Street bankers/Blackrock directed $Billions or perhaps $Trillions future debt money that has gone into electric car company Tesla under Trump watch (for which Jeffrey Epstein used to lobby foreign investements) during lockdown when no one was driving.
    Yeah I heard 2025 too. Then I heard 2035. He has no clue of where he is or when. It's like he's a mad Time Lord.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    It's amazing to me how somebody can run for president, saying they'll put people who work in a certain field out of work, and have people still support your for president.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Raises hand.

    And just to be clear...he means domestic oil production.

    We'll still be using plenty, but it will all be imported, from god only knows where.

    To eliminate it all would result in half the population dying.

    Huh...maybe he was telling the truth.
    That is correct . Joe only means no dollars for stupid americans , he'll have plenty of dollars for $#@!hole countries .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    It's amazing to me how somebody can run for president, saying they'll put people who work in a certain field out of work, and have people still support your for president.
    Anyone voting for national dem candidates is already fairly stupid .

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    Dems have declared war on America repeatedly for 16 years . When will Americans learn ? Probably when they are sitting on the trash heap in the street eating garbage for lunch .



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    Hey, I can speak for rural Pennsylvania that talk can cost him votes. Am glad he said it!
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    any vote for gore , kerry , obama- biden , clinton harris- biden in the last 20 yrs is a vote to destroy the american way of life . these peoples dreams are to have you carrying a 12k a yr health plan with a 10k deductible and fine you if you dont and the only cars available will be 100k junk electric cars.

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    ‘We’re not getting rid of fossil fuels for a long time’ - Biden

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...sition-remarks

    Democratic nominee Joe Biden is seeking to clarify comments during Thursday night’s debate that he would transition away from the oil and gas industry.

    “We’re not getting rid of fossil fuels,” Biden told reporters after the debate. “We’re getting rid of the subsidies for fossil fuels, but we’re not getting rid of fossil fuels for a long time.”

    When asked whether oil industry workers would lose their jobs, Biden said they wouldn’t. “There are a lot more jobs that are going to be created in other alternatives,” he added, in a reference to clean energy jobs he says his plan will expand.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 10-23-2020 at 10:44 AM.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    It's amazing to me how somebody can run for president, saying they'll put people who work in a certain field out of work, and have people still support your for president.
    Because some people literally hate the industry those other people work in. To be fair many conservative Christians would joyfully vote for someone who said he would put everyone in the porn industry out of business or the abortion industry. The real issue here is that some on the left view industry that they depend on as immoral as porn or abortion. As they drive around in their gas guzzling minivans or fly around on public and/or private jets they long for the death of the industry literally fueling their lifestyle. It's like Jimmy Swaggart being outspokenly against porn while paying hookers to watch them masturbate. Hmmmmmm.....now that I think about it, it makes perfect sense.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post



    ‘We’re not getting rid of fossil fuels for a long time’ - Biden

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...sition-remarks

    Democratic nominee Joe Biden is seeking to clarify comments during Thursday night’s debate that he would transition away from the oil and gas industry.

    “We’re not getting rid of fossil fuels,” Biden told reporters after the debate. “We’re getting rid of the subsidies for fossil fuels, but we’re not getting rid of fossil fuels for a long time.”

    When asked whether oil industry workers would lose their jobs, Biden said they wouldn’t. “There are a lot more jobs that are going to be created in other alternatives,” he added, in a reference to clean energy jobs he says his plan will expand.
    Damage Control Mode.

    Yes they will Biden, they will loss their jobs you said it in the debate. Many of these alternatives in the green filed dont need maintenance as they are automated.

    , Biden said they wouldn’t. “There are a lot more jobs that are going to be created in other alternatives,” he added, in a reference to clean energy jobs he says his plan will expand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post



    ‘We’re not getting rid of fossil fuels for a long time’ - Biden

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...sition-remarks

    Democratic nominee Joe Biden is seeking to clarify comments during Thursday night’s debate that he would transition away from the oil and gas industry.

    “We’re not getting rid of fossil fuels,” Biden told reporters after the debate. “We’re getting rid of the subsidies for fossil fuels, but we’re not getting rid of fossil fuels for a long time.”

    When asked whether oil industry workers would lose their jobs, Biden said they wouldn’t. “There are a lot more jobs that are going to be created in other alternatives,” he added, in a reference to clean energy jobs he says his plan will expand.
    Trump's only missed opportunity was not bringing up Solyndra.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...yndra-scandal/

    Solyndra Scandal
    Key coverage of the investigation into Solyndra, the Silicon Valley startup that collapsed, leaving taxpayers liable for $535 million in federal guarantees .

    Documents show politics infused Obama ‘green’ programs
    Joe Stephens and Carol D. Leonnig DEC 25, 2011

    Since the failure of solar-panel company Solyndra, President Obama’s $80 billion clean-technology program has begun to look like a political liability.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    When a candidate tells you to learn to code, that they are going to eliminate your livelihood - you should believe them. As someone living in coal mine country, the O-B Admin said it and did it.



    Note the inflection point. O-B also first "restructured" FutureGen in 2010, a clean coal technology development started under Bush the 2nd. They then killed it outright in 2015.

    FutureGen clean-coal plant in Illinois is killed by Obama Administrationhttps://www.chicagobusiness.com/arti...administration

    So yeah, I fully expect that the incoming Biden Administration will first have the Dept. of Energy stop funding all fossil fuel technology development and then follow it up with green energy mandates.

    XNN
    "They sell us the president the same way they sell us our clothes and our cars. They sell us every thing from youth to religion the same time they sell us our wars. I want to know who the men in the shadows are. I want to hear somebody asking them why. They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are but theyre never the ones to fight or to die." - Jackson Browne Lives In The Balance



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    When asked whether oil industry workers would lose their jobs, Biden said they wouldn’t. “There are a lot more jobs that are going to be created in other alternatives,” he added, in a reference to clean energy jobs he says his plan will expand.
    So, yes we will kill your current job but it will be replaced with a better, fancier version. And you will be grateful for our munificence.

    XNN
    "They sell us the president the same way they sell us our clothes and our cars. They sell us every thing from youth to religion the same time they sell us our wars. I want to know who the men in the shadows are. I want to hear somebody asking them why. They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are but theyre never the ones to fight or to die." - Jackson Browne Lives In The Balance

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    Quote Originally Posted by XNavyNuke View Post
    So, yes we will kill your current job but it will be replaced with a better, fancier version. And you will be grateful for our munificence.
    You will also be required to allow us to decide how much electricity you will be permitted to use - and when you will be permitted to use it.

    But do not fear, comrade! We will limit ourselves to just making you "eat a cold dinner here and there."

    We promise ...

    To Save the Climate, Give Up the Demand for Constant Electricity
    https://bostonreview.net/science-nat...nt-electricity
    David McDermott Hughes (05 October 2020)

    Waiting to ensure uninterrupted power for everyone as we transition away from fossil fuels will cost too much time - and too many lives.

    Many decades ago electricity became the new oxygen, and the vast majority of Americans today believe they need it every moment of every waking or sleeping hour. The United States has built a vast infrastructure for generating, transmitting, and consuming it - all almost entirely based on planet-destroying fossil fuels and nuclear power.

    [...]

    What applies in the pandemic also applies - and also with desperate urgency - in the climate crisis. We can live with some intermittency and rationing - at least until batteries and other forms of energy storage are up and running everywhere. Hospitals certainly need 100 percent reliable equipment - perhaps some “continuous” businesses and cell towers too. And, in cities, elevators, streetlights, and subways must run reliably. One could imagine battery-assisted, semi-smart micro-grids connecting such infrastructure as well as home medical devices. But we don’t need the entire residential third of U.S. electricity consumption to run off lithium or to operate seamlessly. We don’t need Nest or permanent telecommuting. For a while, let’s eat a cold dinner here and there. Continuity costs too much. Climate change kills, and it kills vulnerable people first. Intermittency saves lives, and it saves vulnerable people first. Let the pause take its place in continuous climate activism.

    [bold emphasis added - OB]


    Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)

    • "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law." - The Law (p. 54)
    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
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      - Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)

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