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    Didn't Vote For Trump In 2016...Now Voting For Him In 2020

    The case is made rather well by Ben Shapiro

    Et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit vos



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    I don't know and don't care if my reasons are the same as Ben's but I can say the same and so can MANY other people.
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    Same. As of yesterday. As well as others I know.

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    I wonder if lefties know that even though most people agree with them about their hot-button issues IN PUBLIC, they will go and vote for Trump IN THE PRIVACY of a ballot. Not that I predict a Trump victory. Like Doug Casey said, this election will come down to who cheats the best. And the democrats are probably ahead of the game.

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    Ice Cube is voting for Trump lol

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    This much I know, I won't be voting Democrat.
    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)

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    You "guys" have the market cornered on transexual satan worshipping anarchists

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    Same outcome here.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Trump is an embarrassment. I refuse to vote for him. I won't vote for Biden either. Don't even like Jorgensen.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Ice Cube is voting for Trump lol
    Maybe. He hasn't said that he is. 50 Cent said he's voting for Trump.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Wrote in Ron Paul in 2016. As I did in 2012 and 2008.



    I will be voting Trump this time.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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    I'll be voting for Trump.

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    "wrong on character." $#@! this dude. Shapiro is a weasle, he isnt the person that will get his hands dirty to stand up for freedom, he isnt the man who will bare arms to fight for freedoms. HE ISNT anything but a $#@! head with a motor mouth. hows that for character.
    It was too weird to live, and too rare to die - hunter s. thompson .
    ..this is the darkest timeline..

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    Vote Trump if you support Operation Warp Speed, retaining Fauci and Slauoi, awarding Bio-Tech Medical Industrial Complex Billions and Billions of tax-payer dollars, $1.3 Trillion Omnibus - the largest in global history, North American Union - NAFTA 2.0 on Steroids, and other Statist dream agendas.

    This is why the slide avalanche into tyranny, because nobody stands on firm ground.

    Lesser of evil is still evil, only there is no difference at all other than a fancy letter after a name. So sleep in the bed that you make.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Vote Trump if you support Operation Warp Speed, retaining Fauci and Slauoi, awarding Bio-Tech Medical Industrial Complex Billions and Billions of tax-payer dollars, $1.3 Trillion Omnibus - the largest in global history, North American Union - NAFTA 2.0 on Steroids, and other Statist dream agendas.

    This is why the slide avalanche into tyranny, because nobody stands on firm ground.

    Lesser of evil is still evil, only there is no difference at all other than a fancy letter after a name. So sleep in the bed that you make.
    I still don't understand why he wouldn't fire Dr. Fauci. I think the 2 parties are both evil but this time the dems seems to be a special sort of evil. I will be voting third party this time around. Jo is getting my vote

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    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    I still don't understand why he wouldn't fire Dr. Fauci. I think the 2 parties are both evil but this time the dems seems to be a special sort of evil. I will be voting third party this time around. Jo is getting my vote
    Trumps been sniping at Fauci in the press these days. Looks like hes ready to get rid of Fauci (and others like Wray) but its too close to the election.

    Those who aren't voting for Trump, at least you now have something in common with John Bolton.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...le-damage-quot
    THE SQUAD of RPF
    1. enhanced_deficit - Paid Troll / John Bolton book promoter
    2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
    3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
    4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

    Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.

    7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Trumps been sniping at Fauci in the press these days. Looks like hes ready to get rid of Fauci (and others like Wray) but its too close to the election.

    Those who aren't voting for Trump, at least you now have something in common with John Bolton.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...le-damage-quot
    Snipping is not good enough, he needs to fire Fauci, he is an agent of the Gates and the Chinese. I do not want him anywhere near power.

    No shame in being on the same side with Bolton on the need for a third party. I wasn't going to vote for Trump even while Bolton was appointed to advisory roles in his admin.



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    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    Snipping is not good enough, he needs to fire Fauci, he is an agent of the Gates and the Chinese. I do not want him anywhere near power.

    No shame in being on the same side with Bolton on the need for a third party. I wasn't going to vote for Trump even while Bolton was appointed to advisory roles in his admin.
    Fauci is a joke but you don't fire anybody this close to the election. Talking a big game on a forum is not the same as taking the big seat.

    This is why liBROtarians never get anywhere with their ideas.

    Clear example is Rand (or Massie) vs. Amash.

    Rand does things wisely and with a game plan. Amash blew his load all over the place and will soon no longer be in congress.
    THE SQUAD of RPF
    1. enhanced_deficit - Paid Troll / John Bolton book promoter
    2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
    3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
    4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

    Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.

    7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Vote Trump if you support Operation Warp Speed, retaining Fauci and Slauoi, awarding Bio-Tech Medical Industrial Complex Billions and Billions of tax-payer dollars, $1.3 Trillion Omnibus - the largest in global history, North American Union - NAFTA 2.0 on Steroids, and other Statist dream agendas.

    This is why the slide avalanche into tyranny, because nobody stands on firm ground.

    Lesser of evil is still evil, only there is no difference at all other than a fancy letter after a name. So sleep in the bed that you make.
    I will repeat what I just posted in another thread on this subject:

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm prepared to vote Cthulhu at this point, if that gives just enough breathing room to organize and fight back against the murderous Marxist mobs, billionaire Bolsheviks and Jacobin jerk-offs who want to see, and are fully prepared, to put me and my family into a shallow mass grave.
    This is war, and war is an ugly dirty business, where you make allies with who you can, when you can, to achieve victory.

    Or save your life, your children and your home.

    I have no doubts about the immediate threat that is posed, and I will sleep just as soundly this election night as I did in 2016, knowing that I made the best possible choice based on the facts at hand.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 10-21-2020 at 11:31 PM.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Fauci is a joke but you don't fire anybody this close to the election. Talking a big game on a forum is not the same as taking the big seat.

    This is why liBROtarians never get anywhere with their ideas.

    Clear example is Rand (or Massie) vs. Amash.

    Rand does things wisely and with a game plan. Amash blew his load all over the place and will soon no longer be in congress.
    Blaming liberty folks, instead of the morons who want to oust Amash, et al, will always guarantee and yield more tyranny.

    Your philosophy is equivalent to blaming God for idiots murdering innocents. People had better wake up and start standing on solid ground.

    This is to you as well, @Anti Federalist ;-)
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I will repeat what I just posted in another thread on this subject:



    This is war, and war is an ugly dirty business, where you make allies with who you can, when you can, to achieve victory.

    Or save your life, your children and your home.

    I have no doubts about the immediate threat that is posed, and I will sleep just as soundly this election night as I did in 2016, knowing that I made the best possible choice based on the facts at hand.
    I do not make “deals” with enemies. I am an Agorist, so my conscience will be clear. If voting [giving your personal consent] makes you sleep better at night, that is on you.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Blaming liberty folks, instead of the morons who want to oust Amash, et al, will always guarantee and yield more tyranny.

    Your philosophy is equivalent to blaming God for idiots murdering innocents. People had better wake up and start standing on solid ground.

    This is to you as well, @Anti Federalist ;-)
    To be perfectly clear, yy philsophy is #STANDwithRAND. A pity yours isn't.


    Fact: Justin chose to run third party and ended that campaign when it was no longer viable. He wasted the monetary and human capital put into getting him elected, on some emotions that he couldn't control. Nobody wants to oust Rand, he is as popular as ever. Massie easily won his primary with 81%.

    Your failed non-logic doesn't work here.


    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I am an Agorist immeasurably difficult and only want my ideology to stay within the same small circle forever as expanding the tent only makes me less special
    Fixed.
    Last edited by eleganz; 10-21-2020 at 11:45 PM.
    THE SQUAD of RPF
    1. enhanced_deficit - Paid Troll / John Bolton book promoter
    2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
    3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
    4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

    Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.

    7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    To be perfectly clear, yy philsophy is #STANDwithRAND. A pity yours isn't.


    Fact: Justin chose to run third party and ended that campaign when it was no longer viable. He wasted the monetary and human capital put into getting him elected, on some emotions that he couldn't control. Nobody wants to oust Rand, he is as popular as ever. Massie easily won his primary with 81%.

    Your failed non-logic doesn't work here.
    Your support for the corporate statist states logic does not work on me. Have fun voting for other people representing you. I’ll be fine under the radar, and will take pride not “voting” Fascism versus Communism.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Blaming liberty folks, instead of the morons who want to oust Amash, et al, will always guarantee and yield more tyranny.

    Your philosophy is equivalent to blaming God for idiots murdering innocents. People had better wake up and start standing on solid ground.

    This is to you as well, @Anti Federalist ;-)
    How so?

    I am not blaming anybody for anything, calling out names, accusing people of being traitors or what have you.

    I've stated my reasons for doing what I am doing, based on facts and a sense of urgency that comes with being under siege.

    I hope others join me.

    I don't think less of others who, in good faith, cannot take part in doing so, although I do tire of being preached at as if I was a heretical sinner.

    I am very, very, very aware of the moral conundrum of taking part in what is clearly a rigged system or "choosing" a choice that leads to same ends, more government and more tyranny.

    I am not voting "for" Trump, any more than most people are voting for the Can O' Spam® Biden.

    I am taking a small, tiny blow at the forces that are arrayed against Trump and by extension, me. The Marxist meatheads, the Billionaire Bolsheviks, the Jacobin jerkoffs, the Three Bong Hit Earth Saviors, the Malignant Malthusians, the Electric Haired Harpies, the Globalist Googans, the Complaining Coloreds and all of their hangers-on, and fellow travelers and media organs and sycophants in government, and in churches, and in corporate AmeriKa. Trump has all the right enemies, in other words.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    How so?

    I am not blaming anybody for anything, calling out names, accusing people of being traitors or what have you.

    I've stated my reasons for doing what I am doing, based on facts and a sense of urgency that comes with being under siege.

    I hope others join me.

    I don't think less of others who, in good faith, cannot take part in doing so, although I do tire of being preached at as if I was a heretical sinner.

    I am very, very, very aware of the moral conundrum of taking part in what is clearly a rigged system or "choosing" a choice that leads to same ends, more government and more tyranny.

    I am not voting "for" Trump, any more than most people are voting for the Can O' Spam® Biden.

    I am taking a small, tiny blow at the forces that are arrayed against Trump and by extension, me. The Marxist meatheads, the Billionaire Bolsheviks, the Jacobin jerkoffs, the Three Bong Hit Earth Saviors, the Malignant Malthusians, the Electric Haired Harpies, the Globalist Googans, the Complaining Coloreds and all of their hangers-on, and fellow travelers and media organs and sycophants in government, and in churches, and in corporate AmeriKa. Trump has all the right enemies, in other words.
    Take a hard stand. If you vote, vote locally where it should matter, and refrain from voting lobbyists who don’t give a flip about R or D and control both sides.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)



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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I do not make “deals” with enemies. I am an Agorist, so my conscience will be clear. If voting [giving your personal consent] makes you sleep better at night, that is on you.
    I won't have a problem at all.

    I'll be able to say that I put aside my personal concerns and I did all I could at that point (not sure what's coming later...every day the line in the sand gets closer).
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Your support for the corporate statist states logic does not work on me. Have fun voting for other people representing you. I’ll be fine under the radar, and will take pride not “voting” Fascism versus Communism.
    You made a statement about Justin Amash getting ousted, and I rebutted exactly that. Now you want nothing to do with it after I responded, instead opting to change the topic to some retarded "under the radar" b.s. that you don't actually practice (you can lie to us but you can't lie to yourself).

    Your failure to reason is showing up again. Not sure why anybody that comes at me ends up back pedaling just like you.
    Last edited by eleganz; 10-22-2020 at 12:03 AM.
    THE SQUAD of RPF
    1. enhanced_deficit - Paid Troll / John Bolton book promoter
    2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
    3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
    4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

    Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.

    7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Take a hard stand. If you vote, vote locally where it should matter, and refrain from voting lobbyists who don’t give a flip about R or D and control both sides.
    Well, funny you should say that, as my efforts this go around have been focused on the NH gov, EC, senate and house races.

    Hard to tell where things stand, as local races don't get polled, but we managed to get a confirmed leftist woman to drop out of the race, and hopefully she will be replaced by a very young and strong and "Ron Paulish" young man who is doing well.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    You made a statement about Justin Amash getting ousted, and I rebutted exactly that. Now you want nothing to do with it after I responded, instead opting to change the topic to some retarded "under the radar" b.s. that you don't actually believe and practice.

    Your failure to reason is showing up again. Not sure why anybody that comes at me ends up back pedaling just like you.
    You are here to argue just as a past time. I am not interested in that. My goal is to try to convince people that they are free if they take the plunge, and to “Starve the State” which is the only way to End the Fed. Your way only perpetuates it, and again, I am not interested in that.

    Sleep well, nighty night.

    https://youtu.be/l3hgM16Eb8o
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by ProBlue33 View Post
    The case is made rather well by Ben Shapiro
    Had stopped listening to him ever since he attacked Obama using hate speech terms . More emotional than rational or America-Firster.
    I would suggest paying attention only to media pundits who see American Prez's primary duty to safeguard America's interests and not of foreign countries.


    Ben Shapiro: Obama White House is ‘borderline a Jew-hating administration’
    July 11, 2014 by Tom Tillison
    Truth Revolt editor Ben Shapiro held nothing back in offering a tough assessment of the Obama administration‘s response to the terrorist group Hamas attacking Israel, saying it’s a borderline “Jew-hating administration.”
    http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/07/...tration-130914

    https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/statu...001665?lang=en


    Folks like BS and TPUSA spirtual leader Prager are not alone though, this may also explain why various neoconservatives (right wing) have gone from "Never Trumpers" in 2016 to "very pro Trump" in 2020:

    Top-neocon reverses course, says Trump's ‘most pro-Israel president ever’

    NEXODUS: Neoconservatives from both parties joining GOP-Adelson (MAGA)




  34. #30
    I bet most of the people that aren't voting in this election secretly want Trump to win.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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