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    Another instance of a radical leftist/Marxist killing someone. But you'll still have idiots out there claiming theres more right wing extremists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Another instance of a radical leftist/Marxist killing someone. But you'll still have idiots out there claiming theres more right wing extremists.
    Pinkerton security guards are radical leftists?


    Will Pinkerton be declared a terrorist organization, I wonder...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Pinkerton security guards are radical leftists?


    Will Pinkerton be declared a terrorist organization, I wonder...
    Pinkerton's has a long and inglorious history.

    Start with the Firebombing of the James Farm. No surprise they would hire a Communist Bomb thrower.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Pinkerton security guards are radical leftists?

    Will Pinkerton be declared a terrorist organization, I wonder...
    Is he a Pinkerton, though? I've heard that he is. But I have also heard that he is not licensed as an armed security guard. If he's not licensed as such (even if he is employed by Pinkerton), then the news station that allegedly hired his "services" will be in big civil-liability trouble. Pinkerton, too, maybe.

    But at this point, it's all just a bunch of hear-say.

    EDIT: Hell, even if he is properly licensed, there are going to be some big lawsuits coming out of this, regardless of any criminal proceedings.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    But at this point, it's all just a bunch of hear-say.
    Or maybe not:

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  10. #38
    That fellow traveling "reporter" should be arrested too for this clear and deliberate violent agitation, this guy is as much of a "security guard" as that freak in Kenosha was "medic". Pinkerton agency? Give me a $#@!ing break.

    Far too many communist sympathizers and useful idiots polluting this forum

  11. #39
    Dolloff was acting as security on behalf of 9NEWS.

    According to this article at the 9NEWS website, Dolloff was "contracted through Pinkerton" by them. FTA: "Dolloff was contracted through Pinkerton by 9NEWS. It has been the practice of 9NEWS for a number of months to contract private security to accompany staff at protests."

    It's not clear whether this means that Dolloff was employed by Pinkerton and assigned to 9NEWS or that Pinkerton merely referred 9NEWS to Dolloff.

  12. #40
    I don't care if he's licensed or not. Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't licensed. I am not licensed. The question is, was this murder. From the photos and videos, it looks pretty damning.
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  14. #41
    Considering the guy looks like he lives under a bridge doing meth and smoked huge doobie before his mugshot, I don't think he's a professional licensed security guard. 9NEWS and the Pinkertons need to do some explaining quick.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I don't care if he's licensed or not. Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't licensed. I am not licensed. The question is, was this murder. From the photos and videos, it looks pretty damning.
    I agree. But I find the licensing angle interesting, since it's probably causing coronary-inducing panic attacks and five-alarm fires in the legal departments at 9NEWS and Pinkerton.
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I agree. But I find the licensing angle interesting, since it's probably causing coronary-inducing panic attacks and five-alarm fires in the legal departments at 9NEWS and Pinkerton.
    If he was contracted then it's really Pinkerton's problem and not theirs.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I agree. But I find the licensing angle interesting, since it's probably causing coronary-inducing panic attacks and five-alarm fires in the legal departments at 9NEWS and Pinkerton.
    Oh, I know. With this crazy year, I find myself having to remember my principles. I do prefer Trump over Biden but I am not a republican. I prefer the cops over antifa, but I still don't like the police state. Finally, that Denver murderer should get the book thrown at him, but I don't need a license to defend myself and my loved ones.

    I have known you on here long enough to know that you don't need to be lectured to and I hope it didn't come across like that, but I have found that I need to remind myself that the enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend.
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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If he was contracted then it's really Pinkerton's problem and not theirs.
    Even if he's a Pinkerton employee, I doubt that's going to obviate the naming of 9NEWS in the massive civil liability suits that are no doubt coming.
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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I agree. But I find the licensing angle interesting, since it's probably causing coronary-inducing panic attacks and five-alarm fires in the legal departments at 9NEWS and Pinkerton.
    I think 9NEWS already lost, whether he is licensed, or not, Dollof is being held for investigation of first-degree murder.

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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Oh, I know. With this crazy year, I find myself having to remember my principles. I do prefer Trump over Biden but I am not a republican. I prefer the cops over antifa, but I still don't like the police state. Finally, that Denver murderer should get the book thrown at him, but I don't need a license to defend myself and my loved ones.

    I have known you on here long enough to know that you don't need to be lectured to and I hope it didn't come across like that, but I have found that I need to remind myself that the enemy of my enemy isn't always my friend.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to RJB again.

    It didn't come across like that at all. I knew just how you meant it.

    IOW: I feel ya, bruh. (I think that's how they say it nowadays ...)



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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Pinkerton security guards are radical leftists?

    Will Pinkerton be declared a terrorist organization, I wonder...
    Oh, he is a Pinkerton security guard? That’s just one step from being a Police officer. He must have had a valid and legal reason to shoot the perp. It must have been justified. Plus there is a picture of the dead guy slapping the officer right before he had to shoot him. Obvious self-defense.
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Oh, he is a Pinkerton security guard? That’s just one step from being a Police officer. He must have had a valid and legal reason to shoot the perp. It must have been justified. Plus there is a picture of the dead guy slapping the officer right before he had to shoot him. Obvious self-defense.
    Denver administrators confirmed that shooter doesn't and never had a license for private security. If in fact the news station hired him, they have a major f'ing lawsuit on their hands. The shooter also has a far left background hating Trump and supporting Bernie, and Occupy'er. (oh gee, another violent murderous technosocialist).

    with that being said, here is a gif version of the conflict/shooting.

    Its hard to tell exactly either way but it might come down to how much force is needed before "standing your ground".

    Does getting open palmed smacked in the face, justify deadly force? How about mace? But which came first? gun or mace?

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  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If he was contracted then it's really Pinkerton's problem and not theirs.
    Pinkertons hired an untrained and unlicensed "Security Guard"??

    I have nothing but disgust for the Company,, but do not believe for a second that they hired this punk.
    And it is nowhere in his employment history.
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post

    Does getting open palmed smacked in the face, justify deadly force? How about mace? But which came first? gun or mace?
    The Gunman attacked the victim.. attempted to take the mace.. Got Bitch slapped

    Drew a gun and shot the Man dead.
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Dolloff was acting as security on behalf of 9NEWS.

    According to this article at the 9NEWS website, Dolloff was "contracted through Pinkerton" by them. FTA: "Dolloff was contracted through Pinkerton by 9NEWS. It has been the practice of 9NEWS for a number of months to contract private security to accompany staff at protests."

    It's not clear whether this means that Dolloff was employed by Pinkerton and assigned to 9NEWS or that Pinkerton merely referred 9NEWS to Dolloff.
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Pinkertons hired an untrained and unlicensed "Security Guard"??

    I have nothing but disgust for the Company,, but do not believe for a second that they hired this punk.
    And it is nowhere in his employment history.
    Pinkerton denying he was an employee. Nothing surprising there, whether true or not.

    But it’s not clear who Dolloff actually works for. In a statement issued Sunday afternoon, Pinkerton officials described him as a contractor.

    “We are in the process of still gathering information to better understand the incident that occurred in Denver on October 10 involving a contractor agent,” the statement says. “The agent in question is not a Pinkerton employee. Pinkerton is fully cooperating with law enforcement authorities in their investigation of this matter.”
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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Pinkerton denying he was an employee. Nothing surprising there, whether true or not.
    Was expecting that.. I did not think a Professional Security company would hire someone with NO Training ,No License, and a Biased attitude.

    Now is just dividing Investigation by the Obstruction.

    Who put that Armed Terrorist there? (somebody armed him)
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  30. #56
    Perhaps I haven't seen the right video, but putting myself in the shooter's position... I was just slapped across the face and I see the assailant reaching to his waistband... I don't know what he's reaching for, but he's already slapped me... I'm pulling and shooting. As the saying goes, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

    But again, I don't know who reached first, but that's what it looks like from what I've seen.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Perhaps I haven't seen the right video, but putting myself in the shooter's position... I was just slapped across the face and I see the assailant reaching to his waistband... I don't know what he's reaching for, but he's already slapped me... I'm pulling and shooting. As the saying goes, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

    But again, I don't know who reached first, but that's what it looks like from what I've seen.
    The entire argument the victim was having with the people around him was about the spray in his hand. They were daring him to mace them, specially the prime instigator with the "Black Guns Matter" t-shirt. The media producer and their "guard" joined in. No doubt they wanted to escalate to get a story from it. Everyone knew he had mace in his hand already, so he didn't have to pull anything out of his waistband.

    The victim slapped him and then backed away. Can't imagine any jurisdiction where that would justify shooting him at that point. It may revolve around the mace, although it's clear from the picture that the gun shot was simultaneous with the mace spray. Both of them had already initiated that physical action. There was no stopping it in a split second.

    Does spray justify lethal response?
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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The entire argument the victim was having with the people around him was about the spray in his hand. They were daring him to mace them, specially the prime instigator with the "Black Guns Matter" t-shirt. The media producer and their "guard" joined in. No doubt they wanted to escalate to get a story from it. Everyone knew he had mace in his hand already, so he didn't have to pull anything out of his waistband.

    The victim slapped him and then backed away. Can't imagine any jurisdiction where that would justify shooting him at that point. It may revolve around the mace, although it's clear from the picture that the gun shot was simultaneous with the mace spray. Both of them had already initiated that physical action. There was no stopping it in a split second.

    Does spray justify lethal response?
    No sir, if that's how it played out.

    I tend to err on the side of self-defense... if I were on the jury I'd like to see something that makes it clear that the shooter wasn't afraid that the victim was reaching for a firearm. To this point, I haven't studied this one as closely as I did the Rittenhouse case, so I'm happy to have my assumptions proven wrong, here.

  34. #59
    No surprise here. Leftists all over the internet have been saying it was justifiable self defense since it happened.

    The 30-year-old security guard suspected of shooting and killing a protester in Denver on Saturday was acting in self-defense when he opened fire, an attorney for the suspect’s family said.

    During a confrontation, a demonstrator who had attended a “Patriot Rally” in Civic Center — identified by family as Lee Keltner, 49 — struck Matthew Robert Dolloff while holding a can of what appears to be pepper spray, photos of the incident show. Keltner used the spray and Dolloff opened fire, though it’s not clear in the photos which occurred first.

    Dolloff saw Keltner reaching into his shirt and feared for his safety, family attorney Doug Richards said.
    ...
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  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Was expecting that.. I did not think a Professional Security company would hire someone with NO Training ,No License, and a Biased attitude.

    Now is just dividing Investigation by the Obstruction.

    Who put that Armed Terrorist there? (somebody armed him)
    This link has more details from Pinkerton. Sounds like Pinkerton was subcontracting, but not telling the clients that’s what they did. Common business practice, but will make liability interesting.

    “As it relates to the incident in Denver on Oct. 10, the agent in question is not a Pinkerton employee but rather a contractor agent from a long-standing industry vendor,” the statement reads. “Security professionals often serve as guides to protect media crews during potentially dangerous situations or hostile environments. We are fully cooperating with law enforcement authorities in their investigation.”
    ...
    https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/1...test-shooting/
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