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    Post Ted Cruz: GOP could face 'bloodbath of Watergate proportions' on Election Day

    Leader of one of the loosely aligned factions of RINOs aka Netanyahu-Republicans is ringing alarm bells over Nov elections and potentially could be getting ready to flex his muscles sensing political turmoil ahead for GOP. As one of the earliest supporters of Deep Neocons supported US taxpayers funded Syria intervention, Rafael "Ted" Cruz, could be trying to tell Deep Pockets donors that horse race is about to change and he should not be ignored when comes time to change horses.
    Be interesting to see how other factions of Natanyahu-Repubicans ( DeSantis, Rubio, Trump-Kushner) will respond to this gloom n doom call from Cruz.
    In part this could also be an opportunistic gibe sensing Trump weakness; in 2016 heated primary season, Cruz and Trump had exchanged some very harsh personal attacks and that rivalry could be still oozing below the surface.






    Cruz: GOP could face 'bloodbath of Watergate proportions' on Election Day


    By Jonathan Easley - 10/09/20

    Sen, Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Friday warned Republicans the party could face a “bloodbath” in November if voters aren’t feeling optimistic about the economy and the direction of the pandemic.Speaking on CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” Cruz said the presidential election is extremely "volatile" and that President Trump could still get reelected by a “big margin” if voters feel like the U.S. is recovering from the pandemic-induced economic shutdown.
    But he warned the party could also face landslide losses similar to what happened in the midterms following the Watergate scandal and Richard Nixon’s resignation.

    “I am worried. It’s volatile, it’s highly volatile ... if people are going back to work, if they’re optimistic, if they’re positive about the future, we could see a fantastic election — the president getting reelected with a big margin, Republicans winning both Houses of Congress and I think that’s a real possibility,” Cruz said.
    “But I also think if on Election Day people are angry and they’ve given up hope and they’re depressed, which is what [Speaker Nancy] Pelosi and [Senate Minority Leader Charles] Schumer want them to be, I think it could be a terrible election. I think we could lose the White House and both houses of Congress, that it could be a bloodbath of Watergate proportions.”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...n-election-day




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    Here they go again:

    GOP social-distances Trump

    Mike Allen, Hans Nichols




    Illustration: Sarah Grillo/Axios

    After years of holding their tongues,a few Republicans have started to separate themselves from President Trump and his possible political collapse, focusing on his carelessness with the virus.
    Why it matters: A senior Republican official told me this is less about shaping this election, and more about preparing for the aftermath.
    Most notably, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said in Kentucky on Thursday: "I haven't been to the White House since August the 6th."

    • "I personally didn't feel that they were approaching the protection from this illness in the same way that I thought was appropriate for the Senate [masks and distancing] ... I think we've shown that ... we can function safely." Video.

    Also this week, in her sole face-to-face debate, embattled Sen. Martha McSally (R-Ariz.), pressed repeatedly, wouldn't say whether she's proud of her support for Trump, CNN reported.
    Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C), who's in one of the closest Senate races, acknowledged in an interview with WRAL TV that he erred in going without a mask at a White House reception that has been linked to a cluster of cases, including his own.

    • "It's just another experience that tells me: Even when you think you're in a safe setting, you should always wear a mask," Tillis said.

    Between the lines: Some top Republicans poured cold water on the idea that there's any point in Senate Republicans trying some dramatic new distancing.

    • But Politico noted: "Trump is simply too consumed by the resident chaos all around his West Wing in the closing weeks of his own reelection campaign to carry out punitive measures against GOP disloyalists."


    axios.com/gop-social-distance-trump-election-campaign-dd7a11e3-4640-4319-b5ec-eada34605ef2.html

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    It's just your typical neocon/RINO/media(they all run in the same circles) wishful thinking that once Trump is out of office that they'll be able to ride triumphantly back into electoral politics, a "return to normalcy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkob View Post
    It's just your typical neocon/RINO/media(they all run in the same circles) wishful thinking that once Trump is out of office that they'll be able to ride triumphantly back into electoral politics, a "return to normalcy".
    Normalcy wont return when you have Biden/Harris that want further lockdown or restrictions on the economy.

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    A Biden Landslide? this image is coming from the same folks who thought Hillary would win a landslide

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    Cool SOMEWHERE OUT THERE PIGs ARE STILL FLYING....

    TED CRUZ is feeling Texas flip out from underneath him like a bucking bronco.
    Can Hillary's emails sink JOE BIDEN or is he close to having an LBJ level landslide
    in the Electoral College if his margins widen? It looks like he could pick up both
    "coasts" and maybe half of what was once the Confederacy. Yes, Hillary had a few
    good poll numbers before they vaporized on her. i had assumed this was to be a
    tight election, and i am expecting Trump to pull back up, but this might not be the
    case. JOE BIDEN is winning with SENIORs in Florida. Lindsey Graham is hit hard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0IMBbzu2JU the dude who did this is into 538

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T5-eODOJnQ Mister 538 sees a slide for DJT...


    Can JOE BIDEN "romp" across what was once a "red" heartland? Is there a Senate shift?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post

    A Biden Landslide? this image is coming from the same folks who thought Hillary would win a landslide
    in places, BIDEN's numbers are more solid than either Hillary's or BHO's were. 2016 was not a popular vote landslide for DJT.
    he ended up with a very divided America and a marginal mandate. BIDEN is doing well where he has to, if he keeps his lead
    or expands on it... many RINOs in the GOP will get A$$~whupped as in badly. They may try for distance from POTUS to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Normalcy wont return when you have Biden/Harris that want further lockdown or restrictions on the economy.
    Worse, either way.... this November, a WARREN G. HARDING level "business as usual" normalcy will not return until
    there is a cheap & mass produced vaccine that is highly reliable. Even under a term two for TRUMP/PENCE, methinks
    the economy will have stops & starts and sputters, not a secure, solid and gradual climb that lifts all boats. Either way.



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    https://www.hoover.org/news/landslid...ert-hoover-pbs HERBERT HOOVER had a landslide in 1928.


    Landslide—a portrait of President Herbert Hoover on PBS
    Friday, October 23, 2009
    Herbert Hoover
    This documentary explores the facts and fictions behind the presidency of Herbert Hoover, including the Great Depression and its lasting impact on government. The program also explores the role of the Federal Reserve and monetary policy during the Hoover presidency and into FDR’s early years. Hoover’s early life abroad, the international experiences that led to his decision to run for office, his presidency and political philosophy, and the lasting impact of his policy decisions during and after the depression are also presented. Along with the depression, “Herbert Hoover: Landslide” provides detailed discussions of the 1927 Mississippi flood, the 1928 election campaign, monetary and agricultural policies throughout the Hoover presidency, the Bonus March, and the 1932 presidential election. Interview subjects include several notable scholars including David Kennedy, Amity Shlaes, Robert Reich, Tim Egan. and Timothy Walch.

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    it feels like 1930 in places out there.
    DJT did not have a landslide in 2016.
    All BIDEN has to do is say he's FDR 2.0
    an' also not do something very stupid.
    Democrats may be quite solid for him.

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    duckies... Hillary thought she was surfing in on a "blue wave" but maybe THIS is the "BLUE WAVE"... that got hyped.

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    TED CRUZ has tried not to think of AuH2O being "landslided" against in 1964.


    hypothetically, in late OCTOBER... there may be a second POTUS debate.
    it might end up being less of a "train~wreck" disaster than was the first one.
    BIDEN may enter into it will a poll number boost, expecting a bigger climb.


    DJT's next debate may sink or save his presidency. Its like a double or nothing bet.

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    i'm saying this. even after being aware that poor Hillary R. Clinton had the election stolen
    from her very quietly in certain places in 2016. Even if a likewise "theft" exists and soon hits
    BIDEN hard, it might not prevent his RED STATE romp from flipping things all over the place.

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    i assume HILLARY's emails in the plural fling retro~egg about, and mayhap onto BHO's face, to the degree
    that Number 44 has egg on the face. Since BIDEN was loyal to his POTUS, this might hurt him slightly. It does
    sink HILLARY CLINTON's presidential ambitions, this year. Most totally. But perhaps not JOE BIDEN's at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    in places, BIDEN's numbers are more solid than either Hillary's or BHO's were. 2016 was not a popular vote landslide for DJT.
    he ended up with a very divided America and a marginal mandate. BIDEN is doing well where he has to, if he keeps his lead
    or expands on it... many RINOs in the GOP will get A$$~whupped as in badly. They may try for distance from POTUS to win.
    Biden is doing well in the usual blue failing states like NY and Calif that never learn either way.

    2016 was not a popular vote landslide for DJT.
    he ended up with a very divided America and a marginal mandate
    Because American liberal crazies were obsessed with the idea of having American version of Angela Merkel running America which is why many of the votes went to Hillary. As for Biden doing well recently Biden has said worst crazier things then Trump.

    If GOP wants to win in 2024 they have to start winning this year otherwise they wont win at all. America might end up like NY or Calif for the next five years or so with one single party winning every election because of the demographics. Harris is a favorite choice for progressives not moderate liberals.


    Saying things during the debate how China is our freind while China released the virus to the world by failing to stop it was a not good idea. Also Biden and Harris still haven't offered any policy how to stop the spread or to contain it.

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    "Warning lights" are flashing going by MSM polling data, who knows what is real and what is fakenews:

    2 hours ago

    New polls in key battlegrounds raise concerns for Trump

    Surveys released with just 20 days to go until Election Day on Nov. 3

    By Paul Steinhauser | Fox News

    Biden pulls further ahead in polls as he campaigns in Florida

    Peter Doocy provides an update on the Democratic nominee from the campaign trail on 'Special Report.'

    Vice President Mike Pence says that the "road to victory runs right through" Michigan.

    President Trump’s running mate – campaigning Wednesday in Grand Rapids – had a message for supporters: “In the next 20 days, or on Election Day, I need you to vote, Michigan.”

    WHAT THE LATEST FOX NEWS NATIONAL POLL SHOWS IN THE BIDEN-TRUMP PRESIDENTIAL RACE

    Michigan – along with Pennsylvania and Wisconsin – had been carried by Democrats in presidential elections for a quarter century before Trump narrowly edged 2016 Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in all three states four years ago, helping him win the White House.

    Vice President Mike Pence waves after speaking at a campaign rally, Wednesday, Oct. 14, 2020, in Grand Rapids, Mich. (Carlos Osorio)

    But as Pence arrived in Michigan, a new public opinion poll released by EPIC/MRA indicated Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden leading Trump 48%-39% among likely voters. The survey, conducted Oct. 8-12, is pretty much in line with other polls conducted in October, which put Biden’s lead in Michigan in the 6-10 point range.

    Four years ago, an average of the polls on the eve of the election indicated Clinton with a 3.6 point edge. But Trump ended up carrying the state – and its 16 electoral votes – by just three-tenths of 1%.

    Trump held a slight two-point edge over Clinton on the eve of the 2016 election in the neighboring battleground of Ohio – but he ended up defeating her by 8 percent. The state wasn’t considered to be in play at the start of the 2020 presidential election cycle, but Ohio’s 18 electoral votes are currently very much up for grabs.
    A Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday indicated the former vice president at 48% among likely voters and Trump at 47%. Biden’s one-point edge is well within the survey’s sampling error, suggesting the race is basically tied.
    “It’s a nail biter in Ohio four years after the Buckeye State delivered a decisive win for Donald Trump. Joe Biden and Trump remain locked in a race that is too close to call, and the needle hasn't budged with each candidate sitting exactly where they were in late September,” Quinnipiac University polling analyst Mary Snow emphasized.
    The Quinnipiac poll was conducted Oct. 8-12. A New York Times/Siena College survey in the field just a few days earlier also showed Biden with a slight one-point edge over the president.
    Quinnipiac also released a new poll Wednesday in the relatively new battleground state of Georgia, indicating the former vice president leading Trump 51%-44%.

    It’s been nearly three decades since a Democrat carried Georgia in a presidential election. You’ve got to go back to 1992, when then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton won the state.

    President George W. Bush trounced Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry by 17 points in Georgia in the 2004 election, but Republican margins have been narrowing since then, and Trump topped Clinton by just five points in 2016.
    Warning lights are blinking red and alarms are going off in the Peach Tree state,” Quinnipiac University polling analyst Tim Malloy said.
    But other public opinion polling conducted in Georgia this month shows a much closer contest between Biden and the president.

    foxnews.com/politics/new-polls-in-key-battlegrounds-raise-concerns-for-trump



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    ^vulnerable down-ballot GOP politicians trying to distance themselves without pissing off the base

    If Trump loses, all hell's going to break loose within the party; but, till then, everyone's going to play nice for lack of any viable alternative.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post


    ^vulnerable down-ballot GOP politicians trying to distance themselves without pissing off the base

    If Trump loses, all hell's going to break loose within the party; but, till then, everyone's going to play nice for lack of any viable alternative.
    1. you're responding to a paid troll.

    2. the worst pollsters of 2016 now have Biden at +10, +12, +13, +17. If this is the case why is Biden putting all his eggs in the rust belt? Those numbers mean instant rust belt win and Biden can flip TX

    3. The only vulnerable races distancing from Trump is Collins, only because maine is blue. Most other vulnerable senate races are running closely to Trump. The only reason John James in Michigan, a republican is effectively tied with Dem incumbent, is because of Trump. The only reason McSally in AZ is competitive is because of Trump.

    You need to control yourself, only using the emotional side of your brain is degrading the quality of your posts (which were good pre-2016 when you used to support Rand).
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    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

    Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    1. you're responding to a paid troll.

    2. the worst pollsters of 2016 now have Biden at +10, +12, +13, +17. If this is the case why is Biden putting all his eggs in the rust belt? Those numbers mean instant rust belt win and Biden can flip TX

    3. The only vulnerable races distancing from Trump is Collins, only because maine is blue. Most other vulnerable senate races are running closely to Trump. The only reason John James in Michigan, a republican is effectively tied with Dem incumbent, is because of Trump. The only reason McSally in AZ is competitive is because of Trump.

    You need to control yourself, only using the emotional side of your brain is degrading the quality of your posts (which were good pre-2016 when you used to support Rand).
    On another note, I have a question for you, if you'll indulge my curiosity.

    Is it possible, in your view, for Trump to lose fairly, or will it necessarily be a matter of fraud if Trump loses?
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    1. you're responding to a paid troll.).
    That's funny. You are responding to one in this very response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Is it possible, in your view, for Trump to lose fairly, or will it necessarily be a matter of fraud if Trump loses?
    What's very dangerous about this era is that the media that Democrats follow, broadcast that Trump can only win by cheating and that Trump is very active in that pursuit.

    The media outlets that Republicans follow tells them the same about Biden.

    I have seen contentious politics in the past, but I have never witnessed such mutual distrust in the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    What's very dangerous about this era is that the media that Democrats follow, broadcast that Trump can only win by cheating and that Trump is very active in that pursuit.

    The media outlets that Republicans follow tells them the same about Biden.

    I have seen contentious politics in the past, but I have never witnessed such mutual distrust in the system.
    Likewise

    The (important) differences between the parties have never been less, while the partisanship has never been greater.

    It's just pure tribal hatred now; they live in different universes.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Michigan, a new public opinion poll released by EPIC/MRA indicated Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden leading Trump 48%-39%
    No. I think not. Not in my hood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    If Trump loses, all hell's going to break loose within the party; but, till then, everyone's going to play nice for lack of any viable alternative.
    I think that all hell's going to break loose either way, tbh.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I just can't stand liars.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I think that all hell's going to break loose either way, tbh.
    In terms of rioting and so forth, yes.

    I meant the unity of the GOP. It'll survive if Trump wins. If not, it'll collapse (largely, I expect, because Trump will blame the party for his loss).

    The people who have been loyally licking his boots for four years will become Deep State™ overnight.

    See Chris Wallace.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    On another note, I have a question for you, if you'll indulge my curiosity.

    Is it possible, in your view, for Trump to lose fairly, or will it necessarily be a matter of fraud if Trump loses?
    Its very possible and imo the race is a toss up but leans in Trump's favor. And why would I say otherwise?
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    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Its very possible and imo the race is a toss up but leans in Trump's favor. And why would I say otherwise?

    You being unable to read the tea leaves in an unbiased manner has little to do with how fair I think this is all going to shake out.
    I'm looking at the polls, which, contrary to popular belief, were pretty accurate last time. They show an overwhelming Trump loss. If the election were held today, I have zero doubt that Trump would lose and lose badly. NOW, the election isn't today, of course, and the polls may well tighten or even reverse in the next couple weeks; who knows? I do think he'll lose, because I don't see an obvious catalyst for changing the narrative in his favor, and that's how I'd bet if I were forced to bet, but we'll see.

    In any event, why I ask you this is that an awful lot of pro-Trump people, Trump himself par excellence, are taking the position that he can only lose because of fraud, which is insane. As @RJB points out, it's exactly the same in the Biden camp (but maybe a little less vocal, at the moment, since it looks like their guy's going to win). Back in 2016, I actually cared about who would win, because I thought Trump would destroy the GOP as a platform for small government activism (check). Now, I really and truly don't care who wins. I'd like to see whatever outcome involves the least rioting and so on. That probably means a Trump win, actually, at least in the short-run, since the radical elements of the GOP aren't as organized as the radical elements of the Democrat Party and aren't prepared to start wrecking $#@! on November 4th. But I'll take a Biden landslide, big enough to stifle any plausible challenge, just as well.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    I'm looking at the polls, which, contrary to popular belief, were pretty accurate last time. They show an overwhelming Trump loss. If the election were held today, I have zero doubt that Trump would lose and lose badly. NOW, the election isn't today, of course, and the polls may well tighten or even reverse in the next couple weeks; who knows? I do think he'll lose, because I don't see an obvious catalyst for changing the narrative in his favor, and that's how I'd bet if I were forced to bet, but we'll see.

    In any event, why I ask you this is that an awful lot of pro-Trump people, Trump himself par excellence, are taking the position that he can only lose because of fraud, which is insane. As @RJB points out, it's exactly the same in the Biden camp (but maybe a little less vocal, at the moment, since it looks like their guy's going to win). Back in 2016, I actually cared about who would win, because I thought Trump would destroy the GOP as a platform for small government activism (check). Now, I really and truly don't care who wins. I'd like to see whatever outcome involves the least rioting and so on. That probably means a Trump win, actually, at least in the short-run, since the radical elements of the GOP aren't as organized as the radical elements of the Democrat Party and aren't prepared to start wrecking $#@! on November 4th. But I'll take a Biden landslide, big enough to stifle any plausible challenge, just as well.
    It actually matters alot who wins this year if Trump losses and Democrats regain both houses in America, the GOP will take years of recovery.

    But I'll take a Biden landslide, big enough to stifle any plausible challenge
    A biden landslide how so? because on what polls were claiming? these same pollsters of 2016 were saying the same thing about Hillary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    duckies... Hillary thought she was surfing in on a "blue wave" but maybe THIS is the "BLUE WAVE"... that got hyped.
    We shall see what happens on Nov. I do think these things about a blue wave could be nothing but another a hype do you honestly believe that people in blue states like NY who have the worst lockdowns would prefer Biden? and more control for the democrats over reopening of their economy? people are also leaving Calif.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    It actually matters alot who wins this year if Trump losses and Democrats regain both houses in America, the GOP will take years of recovery.
    It might not ever recover, because the party would first have to agree on what, exactly, caused it to lose in the first place.


    If Trump loses, if the GOP loses, will that be because they need to be more Trumpian, or less Trumpian?
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I just can't stand liars.

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