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    Exclamation Gallup: "Are you better off now than four years ago?"-56% "Yes"-Highest ever

    These polls are garbage anymore.

    There's no way this is valid and at the same time Biden's beating Trump by 16 points nationally.

    Somebody or somebodies is/are lying.




    56% Americans Say They Are Better Off Now Under Trump Than Four Years Ago Under Obama-Biden

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...our-years-ago/

    Matthew Boyle 8 Oct 2020 Washington, DC

    A solid majority of 56 percent of Americans say they are better off now than they were four years ago, a new Gallup survey reveals.

    Only 32 percent say they are worse off than four years ago. The number is, as Fox News’s Laura Ingraham noted on Thursday night, “the highest Gallup has ever recorded.”

    President Trump responded to the survey in a tweet:

    The Gallup Poll has just come out with the incredible finding that 56% of you say that you are better off today, during a pandemic, than you were four years ago (OBiden). Highest number on record! Pretty amazing!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 9, 2020

    Historically speaking, this bodes very well for President Donald Trump as he seeks reelection. Right around previous presidential elections when an incumbent has been seeking reelection dating back to the mid-1980s, never has this number been this high — or even at a majority. For instance, when former President Barack Obama was seeking reelection in early 2012, the number was at 45 percent. It stayed at that level through the election that Obama won until December 2012. Likewise, when former President George W. Bush was seeking reelection in 2004 — in October — the number was at 47 percent. The junior Bush won. When former President George H.W. Bush was seeking reelection in 1992, the number dropped down to 38 percent — and the senior Bush lost. But in 1984, when former President Ronald Reagan was seeking reelection — he won 49 states in a landslide defeat of his Democrat opponent — the number was down at just 44 percent.

    It is unclear what the number was during former President Bill Clinton’s reelection campaign in 1996 in the immediate lead-up to the election as Gallup’s chart does not include that year, but earlier in 1996, less than a year before the election in January, the number was reported at 50 percent.

    While the 56 percent number is impressive indeed — again the highest ever recorded this close to an election — it was even higher before the coronavirus pandemic swept across the United States. In February, a whopping 61 percent said they believed they were better off than three years earlier when Trump took office in January 2017. As such, while the number slid a little bit — five points — during the coronavirus pandemic the past six months, the number of Americans who consider their lives better with Trump as president remains at record levels even with all the disruption this year.

    All this means, also, that the vast majority of Americans think their lives are better off — literally during, again, a pandemic that has upended American life — than it was when Obama was president and Trump’s opponent this year former Vice President Joe Biden was Obama’s second-in-command. Even with the disruption from the pandemic, in other words, it is hard to see those people who like life more now under Trump than they did when Biden was in charge voting for a change. And it would amount to a serious historical aberration for Trump to lose, given the trends in Gallup polling on this question since Reagan asked it of the public in 1984.

    In other words, the only incumbent president who has lost reelection when seeking a second term since this question was first asked — the elder Bush — saw the number nearly 20 percent less than where it is now for Trump. And this year has an extra interesting dynamic in that the challenging party’s candidate was the number two in the previous administration, which consistently had a much worse rating on this question than where it is now under Trump.

    % of Americans who say they are better off now than they were 4 years ago

    Sept 2020: 56 percent

    Dec 2012: 45 percent

    Oct 2004: 47 percent

    Oct 1992: 38 percent

    July 1984: 44 percenthttps://t.co/CmUJ6rOG3E pic.twitter.com/LadV3G1GdI

    — Rob Henderson (@robkhenderson) October 8, 2020

    The question represents an interesting gauge of support for an incumbent president facing reelection as it asks, generally speaking, if the respondent believes their life has improved during the first term of the president asking voters for a second term.

    “During his presidential campaign in 1980, Ronald Reagan asked Americans, ‘Are you better off today than you were four years ago?'” Gallup’s RJ Reinhart wrote. “Since then, this question has served as a key standard that sitting presidents running for reelection have been held to.”
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    These polls are garbage anymore.

    There's no way this is valid and at the same time Biden's beating Trump by 16 points nationally.

    Somebody or somebodies is/are lying.

    The huge problem with that poll is that it's not taking into account the record amount of debt and money printing required to achieve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    These polls are garbage anymore.

    There's no way this is valid and at the same time Biden's beating Trump by 16 points nationally.

    Somebody or somebodies is/are lying.




    56% Americans Say They Are Better Off Now Under Trump Than Four Years Ago Under Obama-Biden

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...our-years-ago/

    Matthew Boyle 8 Oct 2020 Washington, DC

    A solid majority of 56 percent of Americans say they are better off now than they were four years ago, a new Gallup survey reveals.

    Only 32 percent say they are worse off than four years ago. The number is, as Fox News’s Laura Ingraham noted on Thursday night, “the highest Gallup has ever recorded.”

    President Trump responded to the survey in a tweet:

    The Gallup Poll has just come out with the incredible finding that 56% of you say that you are better off today, during a pandemic, than you were four years ago (OBiden). Highest number on record! Pretty amazing!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 9, 2020

    Historically speaking, this bodes very well for President Donald Trump as he seeks reelection. Right around previous presidential elections when an incumbent has been seeking reelection dating back to the mid-1980s, never has this number been this high — or even at a majority. For instance, when former President Barack Obama was seeking reelection in early 2012, the number was at 45 percent. It stayed at that level through the election that Obama won until December 2012. Likewise, when former President George W. Bush was seeking reelection in 2004 — in October — the number was at 47 percent. The junior Bush won. When former President George H.W. Bush was seeking reelection in 1992, the number dropped down to 38 percent — and the senior Bush lost. But in 1984, when former President Ronald Reagan was seeking reelection — he won 49 states in a landslide defeat of his Democrat opponent — the number was down at just 44 percent.

    It is unclear what the number was during former President Bill Clinton’s reelection campaign in 1996 in the immediate lead-up to the election as Gallup’s chart does not include that year, but earlier in 1996, less than a year before the election in January, the number was reported at 50 percent.

    While the 56 percent number is impressive indeed — again the highest ever recorded this close to an election — it was even higher before the coronavirus pandemic swept across the United States. In February, a whopping 61 percent said they believed they were better off than three years earlier when Trump took office in January 2017. As such, while the number slid a little bit — five points — during the coronavirus pandemic the past six months, the number of Americans who consider their lives better with Trump as president remains at record levels even with all the disruption this year.

    All this means, also, that the vast majority of Americans think their lives are better off — literally during, again, a pandemic that has upended American life — than it was when Obama was president and Trump’s opponent this year former Vice President Joe Biden was Obama’s second-in-command. Even with the disruption from the pandemic, in other words, it is hard to see those people who like life more now under Trump than they did when Biden was in charge voting for a change. And it would amount to a serious historical aberration for Trump to lose, given the trends in Gallup polling on this question since Reagan asked it of the public in 1984.

    In other words, the only incumbent president who has lost reelection when seeking a second term since this question was first asked — the elder Bush — saw the number nearly 20 percent less than where it is now for Trump. And this year has an extra interesting dynamic in that the challenging party’s candidate was the number two in the previous administration, which consistently had a much worse rating on this question than where it is now under Trump.

    % of Americans who say they are better off now than they were 4 years ago

    Sept 2020: 56 percent

    Dec 2012: 45 percent

    Oct 2004: 47 percent

    Oct 1992: 38 percent

    July 1984: 44 percenthttps://t.co/CmUJ6rOG3E pic.twitter.com/LadV3G1GdI

    — Rob Henderson (@robkhenderson) October 8, 2020

    The question represents an interesting gauge of support for an incumbent president facing reelection as it asks, generally speaking, if the respondent believes their life has improved during the first term of the president asking voters for a second term.

    “During his presidential campaign in 1980, Ronald Reagan asked Americans, ‘Are you better off today than you were four years ago?'” Gallup’s RJ Reinhart wrote. “Since then, this question has served as a key standard that sitting presidents running for reelection have been held to.”
    Seems odd considering everyone knows pelosi - harris - biden can knock a quick 25 percent off that .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    These polls are garbage anymore.

    There's no way this is valid and at the same time Biden's beating Trump by 16 points nationally.

    Somebody or somebodies is/are lying.

    Can I interest you in a single-use ant trap that holds 2 ants per container? There is a special going on during election season - $10.99 each.

    The system is owned/controlled/rigged. Why folks keep supporting/entertaining the system is beyond me.

    There are much better productive things to do than to worry about "elections", polls, and liars who will always stick around, simply because people keep feeding and paying attention to the system.

    They could make a difference in your life... how many of those ant traps did you want?
    ____________

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    yes!
    in practically EVERY way, why do they ask?
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The system is owned/controlled/rigged. Why folks keep supporting/entertaining the system is beyond me.

    They could make a difference in your life... how many of those ant traps did you want?
    Because, my brother, they do make a difference in my life.

    These people control the mob.

    These people control their armed enforcers.

    And the day is rapidly approaching when their edicts will become, to me, intolerable and I'll have to commit myself to life or death.

    I'd like to not have to do that...I'd love to dub around with old cars and ride my motorcycle and have a nice drink now and then.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Because, my brother, they do make a difference in my life.

    These people control the mob.

    These people control their armed enforcers.

    And the day is rapidly approaching when their edicts will become, to me, intolerable and I'll have to commit myself to life or death.

    I'd like to not have to do that...I'd love to dub around with old cars and ride my motorcycle and have a nice drink now and then.
    It's amazing how some people act just like they are trying to put us to sleep while the other side prepares to exterminate us.

    And many of those same people advocate allowing in unlimited numbers of foreign barbarians who will be the foot soldiers of the revolution.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    These polls are garbage anymore.

    There's no way this is valid and at the same time Biden's beating Trump by 16 points nationally.

    Somebody or somebodies is/are lying.




    56% Americans Say They Are Better Off Now Under Trump Than Four Years Ago Under Obama-Biden

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...our-years-ago/

    Matthew Boyle 8 Oct 2020 Washington, DC

    A solid majority of 56 percent of Americans say they are better off now than they were four years ago, a new Gallup survey reveals.

    Only 32 percent say they are worse off than four years ago. The number is, as Fox News’s Laura Ingraham noted on Thursday night, “the highest Gallup has ever recorded.”

    President Trump responded to the survey in a tweet:

    The Gallup Poll has just come out with the incredible finding that 56% of you say that you are better off today, during a pandemic, than you were four years ago (OBiden). Highest number on record! Pretty amazing!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 9, 2020

    Historically speaking, this bodes very well for President Donald Trump as he seeks reelection. Right around previous presidential elections when an incumbent has been seeking reelection dating back to the mid-1980s, never has this number been this high — or even at a majority. For instance, when former President Barack Obama was seeking reelection in early 2012, the number was at 45 percent. It stayed at that level through the election that Obama won until December 2012. Likewise, when former President George W. Bush was seeking reelection in 2004 — in October — the number was at 47 percent. The junior Bush won. When former President George H.W. Bush was seeking reelection in 1992, the number dropped down to 38 percent — and the senior Bush lost. But in 1984, when former President Ronald Reagan was seeking reelection — he won 49 states in a landslide defeat of his Democrat opponent — the number was down at just 44 percent.

    It is unclear what the number was during former President Bill Clinton’s reelection campaign in 1996 in the immediate lead-up to the election as Gallup’s chart does not include that year, but earlier in 1996, less than a year before the election in January, the number was reported at 50 percent.

    While the 56 percent number is impressive indeed — again the highest ever recorded this close to an election — it was even higher before the coronavirus pandemic swept across the United States. In February, a whopping 61 percent said they believed they were better off than three years earlier when Trump took office in January 2017. As such, while the number slid a little bit — five points — during the coronavirus pandemic the past six months, the number of Americans who consider their lives better with Trump as president remains at record levels even with all the disruption this year.

    All this means, also, that the vast majority of Americans think their lives are better off — literally during, again, a pandemic that has upended American life — than it was when Obama was president and Trump’s opponent this year former Vice President Joe Biden was Obama’s second-in-command. Even with the disruption from the pandemic, in other words, it is hard to see those people who like life more now under Trump than they did when Biden was in charge voting for a change. And it would amount to a serious historical aberration for Trump to lose, given the trends in Gallup polling on this question since Reagan asked it of the public in 1984.

    In other words, the only incumbent president who has lost reelection when seeking a second term since this question was first asked — the elder Bush — saw the number nearly 20 percent less than where it is now for Trump. And this year has an extra interesting dynamic in that the challenging party’s candidate was the number two in the previous administration, which consistently had a much worse rating on this question than where it is now under Trump.

    % of Americans who say they are better off now than they were 4 years ago

    Sept 2020: 56 percent

    Dec 2012: 45 percent

    Oct 2004: 47 percent

    Oct 1992: 38 percent

    July 1984: 44 percenthttps://t.co/CmUJ6rOG3E pic.twitter.com/LadV3G1GdI

    — Rob Henderson (@robkhenderson) October 8, 2020

    The question represents an interesting gauge of support for an incumbent president facing reelection as it asks, generally speaking, if the respondent believes their life has improved during the first term of the president asking voters for a second term.

    “During his presidential campaign in 1980, Ronald Reagan asked Americans, ‘Are you better off today than you were four years ago?'” Gallup’s RJ Reinhart wrote. “Since then, this question has served as a key standard that sitting presidents running for reelection have been held to.”
    Trump is going to wipe the floor with Biden.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    How many of the millions of Americans are now seeking help from food banks - job losses- being kicked out of homes rented or purchased - can’t pay their utilities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo1955 View Post
    How many of the millions of Americans are now seeking help from food banks - job losses- being kicked out of homes rented or purchased - can’t pay their utilities?
    44%?

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    I saw this poll the other day. And the above Tweet seems like an explanation. I think the way Trump acts is the reason he is likely to lose.

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    2020: My wife was laid off for three months but rehired by the same company, at another location, and is making more money. I negotiated a 25% salary increase. Trump tax cut probably saved us at least $4,000 per year (as opposed to owing thousands).

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    Donnell wants bigger stimulus - Go Big tweets the prez.

    $1200 for adults and $1000 for childrn - up from a measly $600 per kid before.
    According to this communist, it doesn't even cost anything, the gov just prints the money.
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    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    2020: My wife was laid off for three months but rehired by the same company, at another location, and is making more money. I negotiated a 25% salary increase. Trump tax cut probably saved us at least $4,000 per year (as opposed to owing thousands).
    Similar situation though complicated by other unrelated issues, but yeah, about a $4k reduction in taxes, numerous regulatory rollbacks that directly affected and improved things for me personally or in my line of work.

    As opposed to the opposition, who has stated numerous times that they will flat out shut me down and put me out of work.

    But in today's insane Clown World, even around here, to some folks, voting for a guy who reduces my taxes, reduces my regulations and reduces the influence of government in my life, somehow that makes me a commie-nazi...or something.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    I got a corona-check this year. So yeah, definitely better off.
    Bestyeareva!
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

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    I made as much money in 2018 & 2019 retired as I did working . I was pretty pleased about that .



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Similar situation though complicated by other unrelated issues, but yeah, about a $4k reduction in taxes, numerous regulatory rollbacks that directly affected and improved things for me personally or in my line of work.

    As opposed to the opposition, who has stated numerous times that they will flat out shut me down and put me out of work.

    But in today's insane Clown World, even around here, to some folks, voting for a guy who reduces my taxes, reduces my regulations and reduces the influence of government in my life, somehow that makes me a commie-nazi...or something.
    Deep down I think people hate us and want more poverty , higher taxes , more regulation and more govt because , yeah , they really are that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo1955 View Post
    How many of the millions of Americans are now seeking help from food banks - job losses- being kicked out of homes rented or purchased - can’t pay their utilities?
    It's the most wonderful time of the year!


    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Deep down I think people hate us and want more poverty , higher taxes , more regulation and more govt because , yeah , they really are that stupid.
    I'm afraid you are right
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    I got a corona-check this year. So yeah, definitely better off.
    Bestyeareva!
    Hold tight. You are about to get another one.

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    Per registered decision, member has been banned for violating community standards as interpreted by TheTexan (respect his authoritah) as authorized by Brian4Liberty Ruling

    May God have mercy on his atheist, police-hating, non-voting, anarchist soul.
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    It's all herd management bs. Wake up.

    Polls are released nationally to shape opinion, not report it. A poll put out by a 100% Beltway establishment organization saying that 56% of Americans say they're better off now than 4 years ago is meant to be looked at by the vast swaths of people struggling right now as "if 56% say they're better now, I must be doing something wrong" instead of more accurately "me being f'ed by government yet again."
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    The very question itself is socialist in nature.



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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    It's all herd management bs. Wake up.

    Polls are released nationally to shape opinion, not report it. A poll put out by a 100% Beltway establishment organization saying that 56% of Americans say they're better off now than 4 years ago is meant to be looked at by the vast swaths of people struggling right now as "if 56% say they're better now, I must be doing something wrong" instead of more accurately "me being f'ed by government yet again."
    If you couldn't get a job or start a company and get off welfare under President Trump then it isn't the government $#@!ing you. It's yourself.

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntarist View Post
    Unless the public sees no connection between who's in power and how well off they are.


    As George Carlin said, "Look at the average person, and realize that half of them are stupider than that"
    That is possible . On one hand i'd like to think they see the difference between the tax cuts and getting tax increases , on the other hand i doubt they are that bright .

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    The very question itself is socialist in nature.
    I can see that. I mean I really dont care if the unwashed masses of soul less communists are well off , only me .

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Echo1955 View Post
    How many of the millions of Americans are now seeking help from food banks - job losses- being kicked out of homes rented or purchased - can’t pay their utilities?

    Right, so people aren't allowed mobility, improvement, or happiness so long as there is even one person out there starving.

    AOC, I see you lurking RPF with that phony account.
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    4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:

    Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.

    7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll

  33. #29
    Anybody who says they were better off under Obama is strictly lying to themselves.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post


    I saw this poll the other day. And the above Tweet seems like an explanation. I think the way Trump acts is the reason he is likely to lose.
    Corona taints everything the way that terrorism tainted everything back in 2001/2002. We have 200,000 dead from COVID. (And yes I'm taking that number at face value). That's 1 person dead for every 1,650 people. Which means the likelihood that someone in your immediate family died of COVID is pretty small. But look at how insane Americans went over 3,000 dead on 9/11. The Trump / Bob Woodward tapes aren't helping matters any. "I know it's bad but I don't want people to panic." WTF says that? Almost none of us were personally affected by 9/11 but our collective psyches were affected. Same with COVID-19. So people can honestly answer "I'm better off than I was 4 yeas ago" and still think that the country is on the wrong track. Mike Pence did a good job of laying out that the Trump administration did everything possible to halt the pandemic, but Trump should have never given that interview to Bob Woodward. Pence also made a good argument that Biden's handling of swine flu was worse and that Biden only got lucky that it wasn't as deadly. But right now the polls are reflecting people's fears rather than their hopes. I have no idea what will happen on November 3.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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