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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by DiverseSegregation View Post
    The way I heard it in the debate was he was nodding his head up and down and said sure at least twice. It was when they called out proud boys he said stand by. He said all the harm was coming from the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    Wallace asked him to condemn white supremacists and didnt mention the proud boys by name. He simply asked trump to condemn the white supremacists and Trump didnt do that at that moment. He agreed to do it, but didn't at that moment. Wallace told him to do it and trump didnt do it. Instead, Trump brought up proud boys and told them to stand down and stand by. He didn't condemn them or white supremacists. Then he talked about left wing rioting.
    The whole assertion was a phony one. The demand is made for Trump to call out "white supremacists" without ever mentioning any incidents involving white supremacists, naming any white supremacist groups, or recalling any riots initiated by white supremacists. The Charlottesville riots are not applicable because that was a contrived incident created by deranged political operatives or CIA, not an actual uprising of white supremacists or Nazis!*

    Someone - during the crosstalk - either Wallace or Biden (?), mentions the proud boys (?) even though I know of no evidence indicating that the proud boys are white supremacists - We all know that that is just something the left habitually claims about any non-leftwing group, especially if they support Trump. Any way, that is how the 'Proud Boys' got dragged into an accusation, where they really did not belong. That said, they are known to defend themselves when attacked, which is the only thing that could account for Trump saying "stand down". EDIT: Viewing again I realize they grouped "white supremacists" together with "militias" without defining either (as they typically do with all their accusations). I suppose "Proud Boys" could be considered a "militia" since they arm themselves - but militias are legal, even desirable, and not the same as "white supremacists"

    *[This becomes clear when you compare the video/photos of the Ukrainian "nazi torchlight parade" of January 2015 to the August 2017 Nazi torchlight parade in Virginia. It becomes obvious that both incidents were directed and produced by the same entity and it's wasn't some American Nazi club. Compare the staging, the photo composition, right down to the chanting of "Blood and soil!" which is a European concept, not an American one. All the imagery is identical! They may as well have shipped the same men over here to repeat the performance (which also calls to mind the prevalance of very European names amongst the traveling Antifa thugs; Rosenbaum, Huber, Grosskrautz, Reinoehl)]

    Czech leader condemns ‘Nazi torchlight parade’ (1/4/15) (Compare imagery w/below)
    https://www.rt.com/news/219783-nazi-...-kiev-bandera/
    Torch-wielding white supremacists march through University of Virginia campus (8/12/17) photos use exact same composition & lighting)
    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...icle-1.3404681
    Interventionism Kills: Post-Coup Ukraine One Year Later (2/22/15)
    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...one-year-later
    Obama/Brennan Imported Overseas Terrorists Into US To Form ANTIFA (8/18/20)
    https://creativedestructionmedia.com...to-form-antifa ]

    UPDATE: Biden is using footage of the Charlottesvile fake nazi torch parade in his anti-Trump tweet today.
    Last edited by Valli6; 09-30-2020 at 12:35 PM.



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  3. #182
    Why is chris wallace considered to be a "good moderator"?
    He is a $#@!ing partisan hack. He treated Ron Paul horribly. He was nasty to Trump.
    Joe Rogan should do the next debate
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Super Joe Biden is already draining the swamp?

  4. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Why is chris wallace considered to be a "good moderator"?
    He is a $#@!ing partisan hack. He treated Ron Paul horribly. He was nasty to Trump.
    Joe Rogan should do the next debate
    There is no difference between the two. Don't be fooled by Joe Rogan's appeal to the common man persona. It is all an act and he is serving that purpose. Based on posts I am seeing in this forum people are buying into him. Give it a few years people will realize and/or we will see the blind leading the blind saying Joe is coming around. It is always like this as we seen since this forum started with people always trying to find a hero. They are virtually non-existent since the elites would not allow it for the same reason they would not allow Ron to become President.

  5. #184
    See? Today democrats are hanging everything on Trump's "failure to condemn white supremacy" and comment mentioning "Proudboys".
    They keep bringing it up at the Comey hearing, giving Comey a platform to accuse Trump of "spraying gasoline on the fires of hatre".

    In retrospect - Trump needed to force them to state SPECIFICS about who these "white supremacists" are and which incidents they are responsible for - not just pick out someone the we know the left makes accusations against.

    UPDATE: Biden is using footage of the Charlottesvile fake nazi torch parade in his anti-Trump tweet today. Also smearing Kyle Rittenhouse as a white supremacist.
    Last edited by Valli6; 09-30-2020 at 12:38 PM.



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  7. #185
    How Chris Wallace treated Ron Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Super Joe Biden is already draining the swamp?

  8. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    Wallace asked him to condemn white supremacists and didnt mention the proud boys by name. He simply asked trump to condemn the white supremacists and Trump didnt do that at that moment. He agreed to do it, but didn't at that moment. Wallace told him to do it and trump didnt do it. Instead, Trump brought up proud boys and told them to stand down and stand by. He didn't condemn them or white supremacists. Then he talked about left wing rioting.
    Biden shouted proud boys over the moderator multiple times. He was debating Wallace and Biden at the same time. He also condemned white supremacists when they asked him if would condemn white supremacists. This is classic double speak. Only low IQ people wouldn't understand. If you would condemn white supremacists than you do condemn white supremacists. Those two statements can't be mutually exclusive.

  9. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Biden shouted proud boys over the moderator multiple times. He was debating Wallace and Biden at the same time. He also condemned white supremacists when they asked him if would condemn white supremacists. This is classic double speak. Only low IQ people wouldn't understand. If you would condemn white supremacists than you do condemn white supremacists. Those two statements can't be mutually exclusive.
    Many will not look for the truth and are conditioned not to think for themselves. They allow the pundits - the actors on script playing their TV persona role do their thinking for them so you will now endlessly hear people screaming about Trump and white supremacy.

  10. #188

    Rittenhouse's lawyer demanding a retraction from Biden

    "false accusation that Kyle is a white supremacist & militia member responsible for violence in Kenosha."


    https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1311290152619307008

  11. #189
    Richard Spencer the Neo Nazi supports Biden. Why hasn't chris wallace asked Biden to condemn Spencer?
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Super Joe Biden is already draining the swamp?

  12. #190
    Local news summary of debate: they showed the best four cuts they could find of Biden and played them, played one clip of Trump being rude, said it wouldn't change anyone's mind, but "undecided" voters might be swayed because Biden did great and exceeded all expectations.
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  13. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    What do you guys have to say about Trump not condemning white supremacy? Trump's response was sure he will do it, but then he said "stand by".
    I have to say condemnations of Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, socialism, communism, wanton destruction of property and violence and a host of other things would be infinitely more relevant to 21st Century American civilization and the 2020 presidential debate than "white supremacy". Disagreement with this simply proves ignorance -- willful or otherwise. I know that's harsh. But sometimes so is the truth. Furthermore, I'm more interested in presidential agenda and its impact on my liberties (economic and civil) than I am in empty condemnations.

    Btw, President Trump has comdemned white supremacy. Biden has not condemned ANTIFA.

  14. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    "false accusation that Kyle is a white supremacist & militia member responsible for violence in Kenosha."


    https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1311290152619307008
    The interesting fact is that this could hurt Biden more then Trump. The media is trying to get away with this. They arent blaming those two groups who are responsible for violence in Kenosha.



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  16. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by James Otis, Jr. View Post
    I have to say condemnations of Black Lives Matter, ANTIFA, socialism, communism, wanton destruction of property and violence and a host of other things would be infinitely more relevant to 21st Century American civilization and the 2020 presidential debate than "white supremacy". Disagreement with this simply proves ignorance -- willful or otherwise. I know that's harsh. But sometimes so is the truth. Furthermore, I'm more interested in presidential agenda and its impact on my liberties (economic and civil) than I am in empty condemnations.

    Btw, President Trump has comdemned white supremacy. Biden has not condemned ANTIFA.
    Agree and could anyone spell out what it is that the Proud Boys have ever done which demonstrates racism or white supremacy or a propensity for violence? I don't recall any violent behavior from them until antifa started stalking and attacking them and it's not as if they destroy any property, much less burn buildings down. I'm kind of surprised to hear even fox news - just going along with this narrative as if it's been proven. NO ONE ever mentions any incidents of where they acted white supremacisty- theres only the claim. Anyone referring to SPLC as an acceptable source (Biden) is dishonest and should be called out as such.
    When did "Proud Boys equal white supremacists" become a proven fact? Did I miss something?
    Last edited by Valli6; 09-30-2020 at 02:45 PM.

  17. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Agree and could anyone spell out what it is that the Proud Boys have ever done which demonstrates racism or white supremacy or a propensity for violence? I don't recall any violent behavior from them until antifa started stalking and attacking them and it's not as if they destroy any property, much less burn buildings down. I'm kind of surprised to hear even fox news - just going along with this narrative as if it's been proven. NO ONE ever mentions any incidents of where they acted white supremacisty- theres only the claim. Anyone referring to SPLC as an acceptable source (Biden) is dishonest and should be called out as such.
    When did "Proud Boys equal white supremacists" become a proven fact? Did I miss something?
    No. You didn't. They are a "Western Chauvinist" movement. The one of the movements leader is named Enrique Tarrio. He identifies as Afro-Cuban.




    They are not white centric...

    Tarrio and other people of color at the far-right rallies claim institutional racism no longer exists in America. In their view, blacks are to blame for any lingering inequality because they are dependent on welfare, lack strong leadership, and believe Democrats who tell them “You’re always going to be broke. You’re not going to make it in society because of institutional racism,” as one mixed-race man put it.
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-yo...emacist-groups

    They are also not a terrorist organization....

    A high-ranking FBI agent told reporters that the Western-chauvinist group Proud Boys, which has made headlines for its part in violent clashes in Portland, Ore., and New York, is not considered an extremist group,
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...oup-after-all/

  18. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Also smearing Kyle Rittenhouse as a white supremacist.
    $#@!ing criminal...here's hoping Lin Wood sues his ass into the stratosphere.
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  19. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Why should this debate be anything but an ugly street brawl? That's what cable news and US politics is all about. Let's not pretend there was some bygone day of civility in politics. 160 years ago an entire war spawned from political disagreements.

    The people who were offended by all the chaos and mishegoss are either naive to this fact or are simply lying to themselves. They are pining for the days of Republicans who refused to fight back.

    Trump's goal was to energize his base and the result was a stunning success. Trump needs the working class vote in order to win and the working class wants blood. They were his audience.
    Then maybe don't call it a debate
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

  20. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    $#@!ing criminal...here's hoping Lin Wood sues his ass into the stratosphere.
    Lin Wood, Attorney for Kyle Rittenhouse Announces He’s Suing Joe Biden for Slandering His Client, Vows “I Will Rip Joe Into Shreds”
    During last night’s debate, Wallace and Biden teamed up to push the “Very Fine” people fake news hoax yet again.

    The hoax claims that President Trump called Neo-Nazis and white supremacists “very fine people” during the dustup at Charlottesville.
    more at link...

  21. #198
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

  22. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Why should this debate be anything but an ugly street brawl? That's what cable news and US politics is all about. Let's not pretend there was some bygone day of civility in politics. 160 years ago an entire war spawned from political disagreements.

    The people who were offended by all the chaos and mishegoss are either naive to this fact or are simply lying to themselves. They are pining for the days of Republicans who refused to fight back.

    Trump's goal was to energize his base and the result was a stunning success. Trump needs the working class vote in order to win and the working class wants blood. They were his audience.
    The claimed story after 2016 was that Trump won because the working class moderate voter decided to give Trump a chance, instead of another Clinton Beltway retread. "How bad could he be?" was the question. Unless that same moderate voting group that's willing to vote for either party candidate has been fully indoctrinated into Trumpism, that outcome is subject to change every election.

    (Now, back in the real world, it's all rigged any way. No CEO of a corporation (US Inc) is ever appointed by the employees. The Board of Directors appoints CEOs. Employees may get a preference vote but that's all it is. A giant non-binding straw poll.)
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    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

  23. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    The only thing of significant import I got out of the "debate" last night, other than a compelling need to shout "The Aristocrats!" at the end, was that Trump is planning to contest mail in ballots and endanger the legitimacy of the pending election.
    Are you joking?
    The Mail in ballots endanger the legitimacy of the election.
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  25. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    What do you guys have to say about Trump not condemning white supremacy? Trump's response was sure he will do it, but then he said "stand by".
    Why should Trump denounce white supremacists? Asking him if he would denounce them is an insinuation that he doesn't denounce them, when in fact there is zero evidence that he endorses any white supremacist group


    Anyone in politics knows that when an opponent asks you such a question, what they are really trying to do is define who you are.


    By answering such a question, that is exactly what you are letting your opponent do: define you.


    In politics, you never let your opponent define you.


    If he does denounce them, then people will ask, why is he denouncing white supremacists? Does he have a past of endorsing them? If he didn't have a past of endorsing them, then why is he denouncing them now?


    It opens up doubt in the minds of supporters and potential supporters. It's a political trick.


    It's like those reverse mortgage commercials. In them they say “A reverse mortgage isn't some way to take your home.” Well if it isn't, then why are you even saying that it isn't? Do you have some reputation for taking peoples homes? If you don't, then why are you even bringing it up. When everyone knows, that is exactly what a reverse mortgage is.


    The proper thing to do, is do exactly what Trump is doing. Denounce ALL types of groups that promote such ideas.


    They pulled this same $#@! on Ron.

  26. #202
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  27. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    What do you guys have to say about Trump not condemning white supremacy? Trump's response was sure he will do it, but then he said "stand by".
    Trump has already denounced white supremacy several times. He literally disavowed the KKK during his 2016 campaign.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  28. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Trump has already denounced white supremacy several times. He literally disavowed the KKK during his 2016 campaign.
    August 14, 2017

    As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

    And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

    Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

    We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under our Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.
    Just had a bunch of leftists ranting that he has never condemned racism. Brought this up. They just say "I'll never believe that. He's a raciss. He's lying!"

    These people a $#@!ing insane.

  29. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Dary View Post
    Why should Trump denounce white supremacists? Asking him if he would denounce them is an insinuation that he doesn't denounce them, when in fact there is zero evidence that he endorses any white supremacist group


    Anyone in politics knows that when an opponent asks you such a question, what they are really trying to do is define who you are.


    By answering such a question, that is exactly what you are letting your opponent do: define you.


    In politics, you never let your opponent define you.


    If he does denounce them, then people will ask, why is he denouncing white supremacists? Does he have a past of endorsing them? If he didn't have a past of endorsing them, then why is he denouncing them now?


    It opens up doubt in the minds of supporters and potential supporters. It's a political trick.


    It's like those reverse mortgage commercials. In them they say “A reverse mortgage isn't some way to take your home.” Well if it isn't, then why are you even saying that it isn't? Do you have some reputation for taking peoples homes? If you don't, then why are you even bringing it up. When everyone knows, that is exactly what a reverse mortgage is.


    The proper thing to do, is do exactly what Trump is doing. Denounce ALL types of groups that promote such ideas.


    They pulled this same $#@! on Ron.
    You summed it up with a nice little bow. +rep.

  30. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Good to hear. Hope he rips Biden a new $#@!.
    I wondered what a double $#@! would look like.

    Warning... don't search for images of a "double $#@!."

  31. #207
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  32. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    Yep. His left eye looked dead, multiple times. Scary

    Not fit to be in office...that said Trump looked like a spoiled kid with his uncontrollable rantings & interruptions

    Very bad night for America.
    Biden will be a bad presdient if he calls out Trump that way how does he expect to handle world leaders like Putin and Chinese gov?



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  34. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Good to hear. Hope he rips Biden a new $#@!.
    It appears that Biden is using the image of that kid and the gun for his ad runs.

  35. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    How Chris Wallace treated Ron Paul
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    Gawd I miss when Dr. Paul ran.
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