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  1. #31
    How many people here outraged have even watched it?
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    This is the critical issue here.

    The weirdosexuals have won every front they have attacked on, and I have no doubt at all that this is the next front: the normalization of prepubescent sex with adults, both hommo and hetero sexual.

    That is all this film is designed to do, move that ball forward.

    And if people get wound up and outraged about that, (maybe if not fully justified) so much the better.

    Netflix and their political agenda sucks.

    Anything that hurts their bottom line is fine by me.


    Why the Left Is Normalizing Child Pornography

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...d-pornography/

    John Nolte 14 Sep 2020

    If the uproar over Netflix’s Cuties tells us anything, it’s that we’re now at a point where the political left and the national media want to normalize child pornography.

    There is no moral world, no sane world in which a movie like Cuties is okay. While I acknowledged in my review that Cuties is critical of the misogynist elements of traditional Islam and that that’s a perfectly reasonable message, I do not agree the movie is a critique of how social media sexualizes children.

    To me, Cuties is a classic story with a classic structure. You put your hero through a difficult journey and the hero comes out the other end better for it. That’s what twerking and posting nude photos accomplish for the 11-year-old Ami, the protagonist in Cuties. This journey is portrayed as difficult but ultimately healthy. Spiritually and mentally healthy. There’s no lasting damage at the end of that journey, just growth and enlightenment. Terrible message. Indefensible.

    Even if you buy the manure that Cuties is critical of sexualizing children, how is sexualizing children to criticize sexualizing children okay?

    Cuties is not like a movie opposed to torture or animal abuse or rape that dramatizes torture and animal abuse and rape. The sexualization of young girls is not dramatized in Cuties. The girls are sexualized. The camera floats all over them like a pervert, even when they spread their 11-year-old legs.

    So why is the left suddenly crossing this line? Why is Netflix mainstreaming soft-core child pornography? Why is it now acceptable for the elite media to publish headlines like this one?: “Cuties, Netflix Review: a Provocative Powder-Keg for an Age Terrified of Child Sexuality” — as if only backwards hicks could be “terrified” of sexualizing 11-year-olds.

    Or this headline: “The Creepy Conservative Obsession With Netflix’s Cuties, Explained” — as though finding soft-core child pornography revolting and outrageous is all of a sudden a “creepy obsession.”

    Those in the media not openly defending soft-core child pornography are defending it by covering up the controversy, by pretending it doesn’t exist, like CNNLOL.

    Talk about silence as complicity.

    So how did we get to a point where Hollywood, the national media, and the political left are openly embracing and defending crotch shots and booty shots of 11-year-old characters wearing too much makeup, tank tops, and short-shorts?

    Well, I think there are a few elements at work here.

    The first is that the political left hates the right so $#@!ing much that when given the choice between defending child pornography and siding with us, they’re going to defend child pornography. Good grief, they are already defending, championing, and encouraging four months of riots, looting, arson, murder, and mayhem. These are depraved people.

    The second thing is that there are too many people in the elite media and Hollywood who want to have sex with children. Sorry, they just do. You think this is only a problem in the Catholic Church? So…

    If you want to have sex with kids, if you want that lifestyle normalized, how do you accomplish that? Well, you start by slowly normalizing it with movies like Cuties. You nudge the line just a bit so people get people used to it.

    Think about it: Hollywood, the media, and the left — through entertainment and sex education and the like — have been sexualizing children for a few decades now.

    The third reason is, I think, the most important… By degrading and debasing children, you destroy the family structure, and nothing is a bigger threat to the left’s insatiable thirst for power than the nuclear family.

    So they pump $#@! like Cuties into tens of millions of homes, disguise it as art, and attack those of us disgusted by it as “creepy” and “terrified” and unsophisticated and uncool.

    Better still, it’s another battle in the culture war that keeps us divided, a battle that sends a message to young girls that the path to enlightenment and growth is stripping naked, spreading your legs wide, snapping a close-up, and publishing the results online.

    Once that happens, lives are permanently destroyed, families are shattered, and elite sickos are one step closer to having their sex-with-kids lifestyle normalized.

    Evil’s gunna evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    Several years ago I got a free trial for netflix I surfed around on it but, I could not find even one thing that interested me. I canceled it the next day. To me the programing was just gross and evil. I don't see how anyone could keep watching it.
    Netflix is doom porn (or as AF posted, Dystopia Porn). Just about everything on it is hopelessness and end of the world scenarios. I personally know someone whose daughter committed suicide after binge watching "13 Reasons Why". If anything good comes out of this movie controversy, it will be back-lash against Netflix for it's destructive content. Cancel Netflix.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    How many people here outraged have even watched it?
    An obvious question to ask: if this really was softcore child porn, does anyone honestly believe it would be on Netflix? AFAIK, Netflix does not carry hardcore porn of any kind. I may be wrong though. Correct me if it is on there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The weirdosexuals have won every front they have attacked on, and I have no doubt at all that this is the next front: the normalization of prepubescent sex with adults, both hommo and hetero sexual.

    That is all this film is designed to do, move that ball forward.

    And if people get wound up and outraged about that, (maybe if not fully justified) so much the better.

    Netflix and their political agenda sucks.

    Anything that hurts their bottom line is fine by me.


    Why the Left Is Normalizing Child Pornography

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...d-pornography/
    Yes, the LGBTQ+ community has completely dominated Hollywood and all content. Is it good for them to normalize, condition and groom kids? No, not at all.

    And yes, this may well be a slippery slope towards normalizing pedophilia. Not good at all.

    On a tangent, it could be pointed out that the coming of age, first experience topic has been covered in a billion ways in movies in the past (much more normal than LGBTQ+). In that sense, this is a normal and ancient topic, as old as humans. And the maker of this movie is claiming this excuse as cover.

    If people get worked up and Netflix comes under scrutiny, yes, all the better. For the most part they are a leftist political agenda and indoctrination machine. And the dystopia part of their agenda is related to global warming and the COVID power grab. "The world is ending, and an all powerful leftist government is the only thing that will save you."

    As far as going with the "Cuties is child porn" meme, not gonna run with that. I'm more about reason, logic and evidence. It is interesting to see the right-wing go off and running on an emotional witch hunt. Usually that is a leftist tactic. But in this case, it is understandable. A rational observer would call the dance scenes in the movie inappropriate, excessive, gratuitous and just idiotic. It will also trigger the fatherly protective instinct. Women on the other hand, may be mostly outraged by the thought of a straw-man child molester watching it to get off, rather than the content itself. The content itself is not "child porn", despite the "reviews".

    Cancel Netflix. Very few things on there worth watching anyway, in addition to all of their nefarious agendas.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
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    Why the Left Is Normalizing Child Pornography

    https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...d-pornography/

    John Nolte 14 Sep 2020
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    LOL. I just noticed that this is the same author as your Dystopia Porn thread. He's on a roll against Netflix. Good for him.
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  8. #36
    Via Reason...

    https://twitter.com/reason/status/1305617073314299904

    Contrary to What Ted Cruz Thinks, Prepubescent Twerking Does Not Make Cuties Illegal
    The federal definition of child pornography does not encompass risqué dancing by clothed 11-year-olds.

    Jacob Sullum | 9.14.2020

    The French film Cuties, currently available on Netflix, has outraged American politicians who say it sexualizes prepubescent girls. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D–Hawaii), a former presidential contender, warns that Cuties, which depicts an 11-year-old's participation in a risqué dance troupe that flouts the values of her conservative Muslim family, "will certainly whet the appetite of pedophiles & help fuel the child sex trafficking trade." Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) goes even further, suggesting that Cuties is illegal. Whatever your take on the film's merits, Cruz presents no evidence to substantiate that claim.
    ...
    Except for Cruz's fact-free speculation about scenes that did not make it into the final movie, none of this supports his claim that Cuties qualifies as child pornography, which federal law defines as a "visual depiction" of "sexually explicit conduct" involving people younger than 18. While the definition encompasses "simulated sexual intercourse," that phrase is not broad enough to cover the scenes described by Cruz.

    As the Supreme Court explained in a 2008 opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia, "'simulated' sexual intercourse is not sexual intercourse that is merely suggested, but rather sexual intercourse that is explicitly portrayed, even though (through camera tricks or otherwise) it may not actually have occurred." The Court added that "the portrayal must cause a reasonable viewer to believe that the actors actually engaged in that conduct on camera." Similarly, a 2008 rule issued by the Justice Department says "simulated sexually explicit conduct means conduct engaged in by performers in a visual depiction that is intended to appear as if the performers are engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, and does so appear to a reasonable viewer."

    Twerking by clothed 11-year-old dancers, however much it may trouble politicians and parents, plainly does not fit that description. Nor does the film's potential appeal to pedophiles transform it into contraband.
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    More: https://reason.com/2020/09/14/contra...uties-illegal/
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  9. #37
    It's not illegal. It is just disgusting.

    It is an advertising front for child sex slavery. Orphans and foster kids.

    People with connections talk with people with connections from cuties in hushed tones.

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  10. #38
    Have to admit my above prediction about Prez Trump tweeting on this topic by last weekend have turned out to be wrong and pro Trump groups vocally joining the on going boycott campaign also not looking likely now if it hasn't happened so far.
    Trump's inside circle, FLOTUS, FDOTUS, FSILOUS may have not seen this issue as politically important as social justice/BLM boycott campaign Trump had led.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    When the pitchforks and pearl clutching get to a fever pitch, you can bet there is some hyperbole going on. It's another case of the innuendo and imagination being far worse than the reality. "That candidate for Supreme Court is so bad, we can't even tell you what they did! Let's just say that it was evil beyond belief, involving children!"

    So this is like one of those out of context video clips, where there is outrage without knowing all the facts. Most people have seen a promo picture for this movie, and that's it.

    First of all, one thing that never seems to be mentioned is the reason for the name of the movie. These idiot kids are a dancing group that calls themselves "The Cuties".



    Yes. Dull, boring, like a million different simple dramas like this.



    What? It's not about the content? What's it about then? How people interpret the content? A Rorschach test?



    So it's about the moral of the story at the end? So if it was "soft-core child porn", it would be all good if there is a moral to the story at the end?



    SMDH. Hyperbole much? It is not pornography in any sense of the word. It's a bad movie based upon a story by a Muslim woman. Is there inappropriate sexual innuendo and filming? Yes. Like you can see in a billion Tik-tok or Youtube videos or the Disney channel or just about anything that Hollywood puts out.

    Specifically, the dance group makes their own "promo" video, emulating every hip-hop video ever made. They look stupid doing it, as they are pre-teen, and one could say that the movie itself did not need to emulate the shooting style so closely. It would make no difference in the movie. One of the main plot points of the movie is that the girl steals a cell phone, which opens up the whole world of the internet for them to copy and emulate, mostly hip-hop videos and other dance group videos.

    Next up, there is a totally out of context part where they all try to look sexy by putting a finger on the edge of their mouth. Kind of that standard modeling pose. Now that is where the creepy radar went off. It was a very short clip (15 seconds out of the movie?), and out of context. Is this some kind of perv dog whistle? Did one of the guys making the movie insert that for their own gratification? It was completely superfluous to the movie. But once again, this is a common pose, and one has to read something into the mind of the viewer to make it a pervy thing.

    This is basically the pose we are talking about:

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    Is that "porn"? No. Unnecessary and inappropriate in this movie would be a better description.

    The final dance contest is where the controversy lies. They are in their costumes, and it is filmed like a hip-hop dance video. The audience reacts as if it is inappropriate, so from a film story telling perspective, that was the point. Is it "porn"? No. Is it inappropriate? Yes. Does it sexualize pre-teens? Yes. (Is it stupid? Yes.) Once again though, the outrage seems to be that "some pedophile pervert will probably like that, so it's porn to them!"



    Bad storytelling, which is rampant in Hollywood these days. My pet peeve is that plots and characters in almost everything anymore does not make any sense. No logic, no continuity of characters. She seemed to do this for no reason. But perhaps was intended to show that she went too far, and provided a plot reason for her to be kicked out of the dance group. The consequence of a bad action.

    So that is the controversy. The vast majority of the movie is boring, standard pre-teen drama. She goes to a new school, there are mean girls, then she gets to know them and joins their dance group. Her father, who is never seen in the movie, is taking a second wife, so the mother is upset and the girl is upset. The gist of the story is a Muslim girl with daddy issues who acts out.



    It's a simple, shallow movie, without a lot of the "messages" and plot that everyone seems to be reading into it. It's a Rorschach movie for people to insert their own interpretations other than the surface level story.

    And no, I don't agree with the reviewer that if it does have a strong moral to the story at the end, that makes it all good. If it really was "soft-core child pornography", than it should be banned. But it was not that. And the censorship implications are something that a libertarian might be concerned about. What is child porn and where is the line? Who will be the Judge who says "I'll know it when I see it"? Does it help to focus on a movie like this when there is real, no question about it, child porn out there?

    If it is simply someone under 18, nude, and the scene is about sex (without actual sex), does that make it soft-core porn? Maybe, but if it is, say goodbye to "The Godfather". It had that. Along with a huge number of movies going back as long as movies have been made. There is always a new controversy or one that tries to cross the line. "Pretty Baby" was the most egregious example. It was critically acclaimed and won an award at the 1978 Cannes Film Festival. Could those movies have been edited to remove the nudity? Probably. Should they have been forced to?
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    I don't recall that freeze frame, but if it was in the movie, it came from the 2 minute dance routine at the end. Obviously inappropriate.

    If it was porn, it wouldn't be allowed on the mainstream internet where you grabbed it, or on this forum.
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  15. #42
    You know what I think would be a huge hit, if they could make a movie of it, or even a series?

    A production on good parenting. I'm serious. There's a huge segment of society that wholly recognizes that we are reaping what we have sewn for letting our children run their own lives without any regard for consequences.



    I literally watched the raw footage of this 100 times and I still have to watch the whole thing every time I hit play.
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    This video brings up a huge aspect of this controversy. It is now a public (witch?) trial. And we have lawyers giving their opinions. This lawyer admits that he didn't watch the movie. Interesting take from a lawyer. "I am outraged, I will not look at the evidence, but let me give a verdict anyway". It should be noted that the truly inappropriate dance scenes are a very small part of the movie, but that is what is being shared.
    I don't think that watching the movie in its entirety should be a prerequisite unless the objective is to conventionally critique the movie. In this case, people are reacting to specific scenes within the movie. Of course, if he didn't see the scenes then his opinion is just hearsay.

    And while this stupid film has generated more than it's share of controversy and hysteria, will it lead to any questions at all about our Kardashian/Cardi B stripper porn star culture that puts this up as role models for kids?
    People question that already. I think that the attention is garnered since there are actual, young children in the role of pretend pop divas. It wouldn't have received as much attention if the girls were, say, sixteen, despite still being children, but they decided to use eleven-year-old girls and have reaped what they have sown. The problem is that this particular type of pop culture media does affect young girls in a way that slasher films and Dungeons & Dragons (Satanic Panic) never have. Specifically, the former is an actual part of our culture whereas the latter is fantasy. Young girls are watching Cardi-B. They are twerking. They are having sex. They are being sexually abused by adults.

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    I've seen a few of the scenes from the movie, and while I wouldn't go so far to state that it is softcore child porn, I do think the movie rises to child exploitation and warrants the scorn. I also think that the public "witch hunt" is a perfectly "libertarian" solution here.

    The problem with the movie is that it pushes the envelope for an increasingly apparent agenda in which taboos against pedophilia are being subverted. This is a war that we cannot lose. Today it's an eleven-year-old girl dry humping for the camera, tomorrow it will be an eight-year-old boy bobbing his head in the lap of a sixty-year-old man. When it comes to degenerates, the slippery slope is not a fallacy, and the real alarm should be when this sort of thing does not receive a negative reaction.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Looks like she falls into the thought crime camp. "I don't like it, but child molesters will like it, so it must be banned." "Male gaze" and every male guilty until proven innocent.

    Also interesting is the "bare breast" rumor. When she watched it, in context, she said, ok that's an adult who did that. No big deal. Then she hears the bare boob outrage by people like Ted Cruz, who says it was one of the kids breasts, and she believes that instead of what she saw with her own eyes? That's strange. It was an older girl, and not one of the main characters. It was a video the kids watched on the internet. One of the "bad influences" portrayed in the movie.
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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    I don't think that watching the movie in its entirety should be a prerequisite unless the objective is to conventionally critique the movie. In this case, people are reacting to specific scenes within the movie. Of course, if he didn't see the scenes then his opinion is just hearsay.
    So many people talk about the intent and statements of the director, and reviewed the movie in it's entirety, if one wants to judge that, they need to see the full evidence in context. My conclusion: it's a bad movie, with unacceptable dancing from underage kids.

    And many people who haven't seen it or even any clips have strong opinions. Very hysterical. Can we all agree that actual child porn is bad, evil and should be illegal? Absolutely. But to label this specific movie without even seeing any of it reeks of witchhunt.


    People question that already. I think that the attention is garnered since there are actual, young children in the role of pretend pop divas. It wouldn't have received as much attention if the girls were, say, sixteen, despite still being children, but they decided to use eleven-year-old girls and have reaped what they have sown. The problem is that this particular type of pop culture media does affect young girls in a way that slasher films and Dungeons & Dragons (Satanic Panic) never have. Specifically, the former is an actual part of our culture whereas the latter is fantasy. Young girls are watching Cardi-B. They are twerking. They are having sex. They are being sexually abused by adults.
    Yep. Priorities are out of whack, as usual. So much popular culture fed to these kids is bad, and it's everywhere, not just this movie. Then again, the creator of the movie claims that is what she is addressing.

    I've seen a few of the scenes from the movie, and while I wouldn't go so far to state that it is softcore child porn, I do think the movie rises to child exploitation and warrants the scorn. I also think that the public "witch hunt" is a perfectly "libertarian" solution here.
    Agree.
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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    You know what I think would be a huge hit, if they could make a movie of it, or even a series?

    A production on good parenting. I'm serious. There's a huge segment of society that wholly recognizes that we are reaping what we have sewn for letting our children run their own lives without any regard for consequences.



    I literally watched the raw footage of this 100 times and I still have to watch the whole thing every time I hit play.
    Well, it's funny, but I'd say it falls into the "cause of the problem" category.

    In a stereotypical old fashioned nuclear family, the mother's main tool is "wait till your father gets home". It's more threats than actual violence (not that there are not violent fathers, but in general). In some single mother homes, the mothers engage in violence at every turn. It desensitizes the kids to violence, and it teaches them that it is the first option to be used.
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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This is the critical issue here.

    The weirdosexuals have won every front they have attacked on, and I have no doubt at all that this is the next front: the normalization of prepubescent sex with adults, both hommo and hetero sexual.

    That is all this film is designed to do, move that ball forward.

    And if people get wound up and outraged about that, (maybe if not fully justified) so much the better.

    Netflix and their political agenda sucks.

    Anything that hurts their bottom line is fine by me.


    Why the Left Is Normalizing Child Pornography

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    John Nolte 14 Sep 2020


    If you want to have sex with kids, if you want that lifestyle normalized, how do you accomplish that? Well, you start by slowly normalizing it with movies like Cuties. You nudge the line just a bit so people get people used to it.

    Think about it: Hollywood, the media, and the left — through entertainment and sex education and the like — have been sexualizing children for a few decades now.

    This is exactly what bothers me about the film. They're incrementally trying to normalize this $#@!. I think it started when I was a kid (back then my mom bitched about how children's clothes were too mature) and now take a walk through the girl's underwear aisle and take a look at the sexy panties they're selling. It's disgusting.
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