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    Hmmmm.......I wish Fox had shown more of the video instead of just the few seconds of the worst moment.
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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Hmmmm.......I wish Fox had shown more of the video instead of just the few seconds of the worst moment.
    I don't understand you. You pretend that this mob isn't violent, even while Rand is telling you they are. Your wish isn't for the mob to let Rand get to the hotel safely, but instead you wish that Fox would portray the mob as "mostly peaceful".
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    I don't understand you. You pretend that this mob isn't violent, even while Rand is telling you they are. Your wish isn't for the mob to let Rand get to the hotel safely, but instead you wish that Fox would portray the mob as "mostly peaceful".
    I watched the entire video. Did you? Rand said "If it wasn't for the wall of police holding them back they would have physically attacked us." Only...if you actually watch the video the "wall of police" is only in front of Rand. Behind Rand, his wife and their female friends there was nobody but the BLM protesters. Rand was focusing so much on what was in front of him that he didn't see that. I am re-watching the video now. At one point I see one protester asking one of the women "Why are you supporting Trump?" I didn't hear "We want to kill you all" though I don't doubt that somebody said it. Again, I said "I wish Fox had shown more of the video." Why does that bother you?
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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I watched the entire video. Did you? Rand said "If it wasn't for the wall of police holding them back they would have physically attacked us." Only...if you actually watch the video the "wall of police" is only in front of Rand. Behind Rand, his wife and their female friends there was nobody but the BLM protesters. Rand was focusing so much on what was in front of him that he didn't see that. I am re-watching the video now. At one point I see one protester asking one of the women "Why are you supporting Trump?" I didn't hear "We want to kill you all" though I don't doubt that somebody said it. Again, I said "I wish Fox had shown more of the video." Why does that bother you?
    Yes I watched the entire video last night. You really should apply for a job at CNN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Yes I watched the entire video last night. You really should apply for a job at CNN.
    You should keep your ad hominems to yourself and GTFU.
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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Rand is hinting at some of the things many of us have been trying to state here. These are not organic riots or mobs of people, far from it, these are well organized and funded operations in order to stir up civil arrest in the country. It's why these people cannot be rationalized with to any extent, they have been trained to get in people's faces and start fights, destroy property, and prevent healthy dialogue and discussion, with the goal or attempt to break down social order.

    Some are MKultra'd, others have literally been trained by the same people that helped train other mob outfits around the world. More than 10+ countries are involved with training and sending these groups here and Rand alluded to this without getting into finer details. We already know there are groups here from Venezuela that were the same members there that helped topple that country into communism more than 2 decades ago. Those people are here now, on our streets, doing the same thing they did to their own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Champ View Post
    Rand is hinting at some of the things many of us have been trying to state here. These are not organic riots or mobs of people, far from it, these are well organized and funded operations in order to stir up civil arrest in the country. It's why these people cannot be rationalized with to any extent, they have been trained to get in people's faces and start fights, destroy property, and prevent healthy dialogue and discussion, with the goal or attempt to break down social order.

    Some are MKultra'd, others have literally been trained by the same people that helped train other mob outfits around the world. More than 10+ countries are involved with training and sending these groups here and Rand alluded to this without getting into finer details. We already know there are groups here from Venezuela that were the same members there that helped topple that country into communism more than 2 decades ago. Those people are here now, on our streets, doing the same thing they did to their own country.
    Some are Marxists. Some are right wing national socialists posing. They have been caught doing that. And some are just regular people. A mob takes on a life of its own separate from the people inside of it.
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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You should keep your ad hominems to yourself and GTFU.
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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I don't understand you. You pretend that this mob isn't violent, even while Rand is telling you they are. Your wish isn't for the mob to let Rand get to the hotel safely, but instead you wish that Fox would portray the mob as "mostly peaceful".
    I think what he's asking for is context. That requires you show the full video. I know that's what we have been wanting with the shooting in Wisconsin. If it was violent then so be it. We need to be able to articulate our position with absolute certainty we are right.

    Nobody believes the crowd wasn't up to no good and aggressive, but let's not fear showing it in it's entirety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I watched the entire video. Did you? Rand said "If it wasn't for the wall of police holding them back they would have physically attacked us." Only...if you actually watch the video the "wall of police" is only in front of Rand. Behind Rand, his wife and their female friends there was nobody but the BLM protesters. Rand was focusing so much on what was in front of him that he didn't see that. I am re-watching the video now. At one point I see one protester asking one of the women "Why are you supporting Trump?" I didn't hear "We want to kill you all" though I don't doubt that somebody said it. Again, I said "I wish Fox had shown more of the video." Why does that bother you?
    If you watched the video you would understand it was shot in frame to watch Senator Rand Paul so you can't see the aggressive people that had been surrounding them or that the DC police were stopping people from coming up from behind them outside of the frame.

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    Just out there trying to find you a woman Danke. This one checks off all the diversity boxes.

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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    If you watched the video you would understand it was shot in frame to watch Senator Rand Paul so you can't see the aggressive people that had been surrounding them or that the DC police that were stopping people from coming up from behind them outside of the frame.
    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1jMJgXPeYLYxL

    Look again at 1:50. You can see a wide angle. At this point there are no police behind Rand Paul or to his right side. I can't see to his left side because that's were the camera is. Jack Murphy, the person filming, who is a Trump supporter, is clear that at that point there are no police other than the two or three in front of Rand Paul. And nobody is grabbing Rand Paul or pushing the police. You can see people talking to the police. You can see people talking to two of the women with Rand Paul. At 2:30 one of the protesters does throw a cup that hits one of the women. That's the only thing I see thrown but that was disrespectful and uncalled for. At 2:58 you can again see one of the protesters talking to one of the police officers. At 3:50, Mr. Murphy points his camera down the street in front of Rand and says "A whole shytload of cops are coming right now. They are staging at 14th and 10th and (inaudible)." During this time, all the way up to 4:30, the same protester is talking to one of the cops. At 4:45 that protester is gone and a woman is chanting/singing to that same cop "Breona Taylor." At 5:00 in you can see well again the street to the right of Rand (mostly empty after you get past the protester), and the sidewalk behind Rand (passable once you get past the protesters and there is a building behind that.) At 5:30 someone starts a "Say her name" chant. At 5:46, Mr. Murphy counts and says "Looks like they have 1, 2, 3 police officers. Rand Paul, his wife and two friends. Surrounded by like...30 or 40 people. There's like about 100 police to the south. Oh. Here they come." Once the bicycle cops moved in, Rand, his entourage and the three officers that were with him started moving forward. Note this doesn't jive with what Rand said. He claimed he was surrounded by 120 or so people prior to them trying to move forward. He also said they tried to move forward because they couldn't wait for the cops. But that isn't true either. According to Jack Murphy there were 100 police pushing back a crowd of 30 to 40 people. At no point was the crowd pushing back the police except for that one moment when the bike copy pushed a protester with his bike and that protester pushed back. That's the only time you see Rand pushed. (The cop that was pushed basically fell into him).

    I will give Rand the benefit of the doubt based on the stress and the confusion of the moment. But the selective edit played on Fox and Friends doesn't come close to showing what actually happened. I know I will get hate from some here just for telling the truth. That's okay.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 08-28-2020 at 12:56 PM.
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    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Hey! Thanks for posting a picture of yourself. I didn't know what you looked like.
    Spin your BS to this lady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1jMJgXPeYLYxL

    Look again at 1:50. You can see a wide angle. At this point there are no police behind Rand Paul or to his right side. I can't see to his left side because that's were the camera is. Jack Murphy, the person filming, who is a Trump supporter, is clear that at that point there are no police other than the two or three in front of Rand Paul. And nobody is grabbing Rand Paul or pushing the police. You can see people talking to the police. You can see people talking to two of the women with Rand Paul. At 2:30 one of the protesters does throw a cup that hits one of the women. That's the only thing I see thrown but that was disrespectful and uncalled for. At 2:58 you can again see one of the protesters talking to one of the police officers. At 3:50, Mr. Murphy points his camera down the street in front of Rand and says "A whole shytload of cops are coming right now. They are staging at 14th and 10th and (inaudible)." During this time, all the way up to 4:30, the same protester is talking to one of the cops. At 4:45 that protester is gone and a woman is chanting/singing to that same cop "Breona Taylor." At 5:00 in you can see well again the street to the right of Rand (mostly empty after you get past the protester), and the sidewalk behind Rand (passable once you get past the protesters and there is a building behind that.) At 5:30 someone starts a "Say her name" chant. At 5:46, Mr. Murphy counts and says "Looks like they have 1, 2, 3 police officers. Rand Paul, his wife and two friends. Surrounded by like...30 or 40 people. There's like about 100 police to the south. Oh. Here they come." Once the bicycle cops moved in, Rand, his entourage and the three officers that were with him started moving forward. Note this doesn't jive with what Rand said. He claimed he was surrounded by 120 or so people prior to them trying to move forward. He also said they tried to move forward because they couldn't wait for the cops. But that isn't true either. According to Jack Murphy there were 100 police pushing back a crowd of 30 to 40 people. At no point was the crowd pushing back the police except for that one moment when the bike copy pushed a protester with his bike and that protester pushed back. That's the only time you see Rand pushed. (The cop that was pushed basically fell into him).

    I will give Rand the benefit of the doubt based on the stress and the confusion of the moment. But the selective edit played on Fox and Friends doesn't come close to showing what actually happened. I know I will get hate from some here just for telling the truth. That's okay.
    For that moment maybe but that's just a small time frame because Rand was being followed so he couldn't walk around the block. People were chasing in front of him blocking the path and surrounding him to see what was going on and shouting. You have to come up behind someone in order to walk in front of them. They didn't have an endless amount of people standing in the pathway of where he wanted to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Spin your BS to this lady.

    Is that your girlfriend?
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    For that moment maybe but that's just a small time frame because Rand was being followed so he couldn't walk around the block. People were chasing in front of him blocking the path and surrounding him to see what was going on and shouting. You have to come up behind someone in order to walk in front of them. They didn't have an endless amount of people standing in the pathway of where he wanted to go.
    So you have the longer video?

    Edit: Regardless, what Rand said happened didn't. The crowd close to him, not blocks away in some video I haven't seen yet, wasn't pushing the police or grabbing Rand or anything of the short. And Rand and the three officers with him started moving out after the reinforcements arrived and not before.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So you have the longer video?

    Edit: Regardless, what Rand said happened didn't.
    You were obviously there and Rand wasn't. That was you in the Rand Paul costume pretending to be him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    You should keep your ad hominems to yourself and GTFU.
    Jmdrake raging out again after being confronted with the facts.

    Calm your tits, sailor. We already have CNN to watch 24/7 if we want it, don't need CNN here on RPF, ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Jmdrake raging out again after being confronted with the facts.

    Calm your tits, sailor. We already have CNN to watch 24/7 if we want it, don't need CNN here on RPF, ok?
    Its hard to even tell that's CNN with the Jmdrake costume he is wearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Its hard to even tell that's CNN with the Jmdrake costume he is wearing.
    Jmdrake trying to change the narrative here on RPF from Rand being harassed/attacked by the mob into "they just want to talk". No its not going to work, some of here actually like Rand and can see clearly they didn't just want to talk.

    Maybe our resident RPF leftists can read it straight from Kelley herself who actually did try talk but talking was not on their menu.

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    That was the worst part. At first, I attempted to meet the eyes of one of the protesters and tried to explain that Rand authored the Justice for Breonna Taylor Act, but it seemed to just infuriate them more, as they called me a "bitch" and "racist wh---" alongside an endless torrent of "f--- yous."

    Now the Associated Press is reporting that Rand used the word “attack” to describe our ordeal “without evidence.” This is disgusting and utter proof of their bias.

    In the interview Rand also said if the police were not there, they'd be beaten to the ground at the least. Doesn't sound like talking to me.
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    4. ??

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF is to troll:

    Who spends this much time copy & pasting the same recycled links, photos & talking points. Where does this troll stand on any issue?

    7 years and 25k posts later, forum does nothing & members think they're replying to real posts

    Know the deceptions of a paid troll HERE (Post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Jmdrake raging out again after being confronted with the facts.

    Calm your tits, sailor. We already have CNN to watch 24/7 if we want it, don't need CNN here on RPF, ok?
    Last time you claimed I was "raging out" I turned out to be right. Not only is Trump not an anti-pedo crusader but he bought a beauty pageant so he could be a "peeping tom" (SwordSmyth's words, not mine) on girls as young as 15. This time Fox only posted a selective cut of the video. CNN and Fox do the same thing. CSPAN is the comparison you're really looking for.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You were obviously there and Rand wasn't. That was you in the Rand Paul costume pretending to be him.
    I actually watched the video. I asked you for the one from your made up facts that don't agree with what Rand said or what's on either video.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Jmdrake trying to change the narrative here on RPF from Rand being harassed/attacked by the mob into "they just want to talk". No its not going to work, some of here actually like Rand and can see clearly they didn't just want to talk.

    Maybe our resident RPF leftists can read it straight from Kelley herself who actually did try talk but talking was not on their menu.

    Kelley Paul: Our harrowing, dystopian night
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    In the interview Rand also said if the police were not there, they'd be beaten to the ground at the least. Doesn't sound like talking to me.
    What actually happened. Play by play. If you want to dispute that do your own timeline.

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1jMJgXPeYLYxL

    Look again at 1:50. You can see a wide angle. At this point there are no police behind Rand Paul or to his right side. I can't see to his left side because that's were the camera is. Jack Murphy, the person filming, who is a Trump supporter, is clear that at that point there are no police other than the two or three in front of Rand Paul. And nobody is grabbing Rand Paul or pushing the police. You can see people talking to the police. You can see people talking to two of the women with Rand Paul. At 2:30 one of the protesters does throw a cup that hits one of the women. That's the only thing I see thrown but that was disrespectful and uncalled for. At 2:58 you can again see one of the protesters talking to one of the police officers. At 3:50, Mr. Murphy points his camera down the street in front of Rand and says "A whole shytload of cops are coming right now. They are staging at 14th and 10th and (inaudible)." During this time, all the way up to 4:30, the same protester is talking to one of the cops. At 4:45 that protester is gone and a woman is chanting/singing to that same cop "Breona Taylor." At 5:00 in you can see well again the street to the right of Rand (mostly empty after you get past the protester), and the sidewalk behind Rand (passable once you get past the protesters and there is a building behind that.) At 5:30 someone starts a "Say her name" chant. At 5:46, Mr. Murphy counts and says "Looks like they have 1, 2, 3 police officers. Rand Paul, his wife and two friends. Surrounded by like...30 or 40 people. There's like about 100 police to the south. Oh. Here they come." Once the bicycle cops moved in, Rand, his entourage and the three officers that were with him started moving forward. Note this doesn't jive with what Rand said. He claimed he was surrounded by 120 or so people prior to them trying to move forward. He also said they tried to move forward because they couldn't wait for the cops. But that isn't true either. According to Jack Murphy there were 100 police pushing back a crowd of 30 to 40 people. At no point was the crowd pushing back the police except for that one moment when the bike copy pushed a protester with his bike and that protester pushed back. That's the only time you see Rand pushed. (The cop that was pushed basically fell into him).

    I will give Rand the benefit of the doubt based on the stress and the confusion of the moment. But the selective edit played on Fox and Friends doesn't come close to showing what actually happened. I know I will get hate from some here just for telling the truth. That's okay.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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  31. #27
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    jmdrake is wearing the hoodie

    LOL at the black man having trouble getting into his own hotel at 1:35. That shirt is more my style than a hoodie by the way. And thank you for another viewing angle. The sidewalk behind them is completely bare. At 0:20 you can see someone just walking by on it like nothing at all is going on. He's not blocked by the police nor is he even looking in the direction of Rand. At 0:14 the lady in Rand's entourage the red dress is nodding in agreement with something somebody is saying. At 0:33 I could hear one f-bomb by somebody on a bullhorn. He's not in the video and it's impossible to tell how close he is to the action. At 1:04 you see the same guy that you find out at 1:35 is staying at the hotel in a confrontation with a police officer and yelling (and possibly cussing) at the same officer. Closing seconds, people who were possibly maced calling for medics.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  32. #28
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    I actually watched the video. I asked you for the one from your made up facts that don't agree with what Rand said or what's on either video.
    You obviously didn't watch the video you were there in a wig.

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    Is that your girlfriend?
    No that is the widow is the man that was killed by your peaceful protester friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You obviously didn't watch the video you were there in a wig.
    Danke already said I was there in the hoodie so that joke is played.

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    No that is the widow is the man that was killed by your peaceful protester friends.
    Oh. The violent murderous protesters that had every opportunity to shank Rand as there were no police behind him or on either side and just three police officers in front of him? Those protesters? Just because one right-wing nutjob ran over someone in Charlottesville doesn't mean they represent everyone on the right. Same here.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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