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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Okay....this is getting painful to follow. Shouting vile expletives? Whispering maybe. I won't attest to what can't be heard. But all that was shouted was "Say her name" and "Breona Taylor" and "Tell me why you support Trump." (That last one wasn't shouted but at least it could be heard.) But hey, I'm not the only one here who's seen the whole video. (And apparently @nikers has seen another video the rest of us have not.) So maybe I missed some f-bombs or something. I'll watch it again later.
    That you actually think a violent mob is not going to cuss is laughable. That you make it about cussing is absurd. Your inability to understand what is important is mind boggling.



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    LOL. You don't know how to do @mentions? You're funny! And if you want a play by play of the facts regardless of what you want them to be, I am certainly here to help with that as much as I can. The Donald Trump supporter that was there and was video taping everything said there were 30 to 40 people. Rand claimed there were about 120. But Rand didn't have a camera on a selfie stick so he didn't have as good of a vantage point to see what was actually going on.
    I counted and it was over 40, so your facts are garbage. See what I did there while pointing out something that doesn't matter? Yea lets deflect and focus on the exact amount of people instead of what the violent mob did. More proof you don't know what's important. Or maybe you don't care.
    Last edited by tebowlives; 08-29-2020 at 03:01 AM.

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    I counted and it was over 40, so your facts are garbage. See what I did there while pointing out something that doesn't matter? Yea lets deflect and focus on the exact amount of people instead of what the violent mob did. More proof you don't know what's important. Or maybe you don't care.
    Did you count up to 120? How many did you count? Saying "over 40" isn't a count so...that's garbage. Violent mob? There was nothing between Rand Paul and the "violent mob" on three sides of him. There were just 3 cops in front of them. Did you count the number of cops? Apparently not. If the "violent mob" wanted to hurt Rand Paul they would have. They weren't, at that point, "pushing against the cops trying to get to Rand Paul." That's just not true. He might have perceived it to be true, but it wasn't. Again, I gave a time frame by time frame break down. You want to dispute that? Do your own breakdown. (Like giving an actual count instead of saying garbage like it was "over 40". Also I didn't give an exact count. I quoted a DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER WHO WAS THERE who estimated it was 30 to 40. It certainly wasn't 120. And I'm not talking about at the end when they were headed to the hotel. I'm talking about early on, before they started moving, when there were, count them, 1, 2, 3 cops. Can you count to 3?
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I support reparations to launder jmdrake's hoodie
    The tranny hooker I got for you already did that. But thanks for the offering.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm going to trust Kelly Paul's accounting of this.
    I'm sure she felt that way. On @Danke's video I heard one F-bomb shouted. There were probably people saying all sorts of things that weren't shouted loud enough to hear.

    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    jmdrake is the only one on this entire forum trying to convince us that all the violent radical leftist mob wanted to do was "talk".

    delusional beyond belief.
    Delusional beyond belief is your thinking that 3 cops can hold back 30, 40 or 120 people in a violent mob who REALLY want to hurt somebody. There was no "wall of cops" surrounding Rand Paul until they were actually headed to the hotel. There just wasn't. NOBODY that is attacking me is actually doing it from the facts. NOBODY. It's all "Rand Paul said this" and "Kelly Paul said that." I love them two. I have actual met Rand on 3 occasions. I introduced him at an event before he was famous. He probably didn't realize there were people behind him. Or maybe he thought there was a wall of cops behind him. But the video clearly shows there were none. There should have been a wall of cops behind him. He should have had a police escort for his Uber. Or better yet, a DC police car should have given him a ride from the Whitehouse the two blocks to his hotel. THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE PISSED ABOUT! But you are too stuck on defending a narrative that just isn't true.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump said there were BAD people on both sides, and there were FINE people on both sides. He said the people there protesting statue removal, SOME of them were fine people. He said that he condemned the neo-nazis and white supremacists TOTALLY. So he said LITERALLY the opposite of what you said. It's all in the transcript, there is zero room for your interpretation of events. Plenty of people protesting the statue removal had no idea about the nazi rally, they weren't marching with them, in fact one guy Scott Adams interviewed was Jewish and had no idea they were there until after.

    Alex Jones promoted it because the nazis were trying to smear the right and they were feeding it through right-wing channels. You are literally doing exactly what the nazis want you to do, and that is smear the right. Good job. You are quite LITERALLY being a tool for the nazis.

    Laura Loomer almost went, she is Jewish, but then word got out among people on the right that these were nazis organizing it and they informed others on the right not to promote the event or to attend it. She obviously decided not to go.
    The Unite The Right side planned the rally and got the permit. Those who wanted not to be associated with that shouldn't have shown up on that day. And LOL for you now trying to in effect call me a Nazi. So Alex Jones promotes the "Unite The Right Rally" because the Nazis were promoting it? And that makes me a Nazi? How about that makes Alex Jones a Nazi? (Your words, not mine). I'm sure there were some idiots that didn't realize that there were organizers of the Unite The Right Rally who were Nazis. And there are people protesting police brutality who aren't Marxists. People on the right want to say "They should expel all the Marxists. That there are Marxists among them means they're all guilty." And that's just what the left did with Charlottesville.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 08-29-2020 at 06:00 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Here is Rand who was there and could feel the crowd, he says he would have been hurt or killed if the police hadn't come:

    I already watched the video. I'm sure he felt that way. Perception doesn't equal reality. He couldn't see that there was a wall of protesters behind him (not a wall of cops) and that the three police officers in front of him would not have been able to do a thing to stop the protesters behind him if they really wanted to harm him and the 3 women with him. I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. @Anti Federalist please explain this one to me. I will accept that Kelly heard things that weren't picked up on video. (They likely weren't shouted but she might have perceived them that way.) But there was no "wall of cops." Not on the right side, left side or rear. When I watched the video the first time I kept waiting in fear and trepidation for a physical attack from behind (where no cops were) that never happened. I know I can't be the only one who watched the video looking for that and didn't see it. There was one person from behind them that threw a cup at that. Awful and disrespectful. If the cops had enough manpower with him that was cause for him to be arrested. But that just further goes to prove my point that if the crowd in general wanted to harm them they could have. All they had to do was get some rocks or glass bottles, circle behind, and start throwing them. That did not happen. It didn't happen because the crowd did not want that to happen. What I don't here anybody talking about, including Rand, is why was security so piss poor for a U.S. Senator? Why was he taking an Uber back to his hotel after being on a bus? The secret service told him to get on the bus because it wasn't safe to walk to his hotel. Why didn't they just give him a ride in one of their armored limos? Why didn't the DC police just bring in some freaking Bearcats and clear a path for all dignitaries leaving the RNC at the Whitehouse to get back to their hotels? There is no logical reason why a U.S. senator was walking with no security on the streets of D.C. at night during such a volatile time. None whatsoever. But the crowd had full opportunity to hurt Rand and his entourage if they wanted to. The didn't want to. They were "armed" with cell phone and cameras. It was disrespectful and scary for the crowd to surround the Pauls like that. I know what happened to Robert Kennedy. But there was no Sirhan Sirhan in that crowd. There was no determined assassin. If there had been, three cops in front with no cops on the side or behind would have been able to stop that. What happened to Rand is what the left falsely claimed to the native American "elder" with the Covington Catholic high school boys. It was disrespectful, but if there had been a real intent of harm there would have been harm.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Did you count up to 120? How many did you count? Saying "over 40" isn't a count so...that's garbage. Violent mob? There was nothing between Rand Paul and the "violent mob" on three sides of him. There were just 3 cops in front of them. Did you count the number of cops? Apparently not. If the "violent mob" wanted to hurt Rand Paul they would have. They weren't, at that point, "pushing against the cops trying to get to Rand Paul." That's just not true. He might have perceived it to be true, but it wasn't. Again, I gave a time frame by time frame break down. You want to dispute that? Do your own breakdown. (Like giving an actual count instead of saying garbage like it was "over 40". Also I didn't give an exact count. I quoted a DONALD TRUMP SUPPORTER WHO WAS THERE who estimated it was 30 to 40. It certainly wasn't 120. And I'm not talking about at the end when they were headed to the hotel. I'm talking about early on, before they started moving, when there were, count them, 1, 2, 3 cops. Can you count to 3?
    Hello McFly I didn't count because the number isn't important.

  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Hello McFly I didn't count because the number isn't important.
    LOL. Okay. You said you did count. Now you said you didn't. So what is important? How about the fact that there were only three cops and there were no cops behind, to the left or the right of Rand Paul? How about the fact that, as bad as it was, the only assault was from one person throwing one plastic cup? How about the fact that, until they started moving to the hotel, nobody in the crowd was pushing at the cops trying to get to Rand. (They didn't need to push past the cops at that point because there were no cops to the right or to the left). Yes. Terrible situation. The mayor of D.C. should be ashamed for not providing better security. And I don't know why the Secret Service didn't just walk a senator and his entourage two blocks in the first place instead of telling them "get on a bus and go to Trump towers." There's all sorts of things that should have happened differently. But thankfully one thing did not happen. Rand and his entourage were not physically attacked. They could have been. Nothing was stopping the crowd from physically attacking them except the fact that the crowd, for whatever reason, did not want to attack. Rand might have felt that way. Other people can feel that way. But our feelings aren't always right.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 08-29-2020 at 07:04 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    LOL. Okay. You said you did count. Now you said you didn't.
    I did it to make fun of you. See what I did there?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    So what is important?
    Not the number. That he was threatened is what's important and you not knowing is proving my point. Thanks for the help.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    How about the fact that there were only three cops and there were no cops behind, to the left or the right of Rand Paul? How about the fact that, as bad as it was, the only assault was from one person throwing one plastic cup? How about the fact that, until they started moving to the hotel, nobody in the crowd was pushing at the cops trying to get to Rand. (They didn't need to ask there were no cops to the right or to the left). Yes. Terrible situation. The mayor of D.C. should be ashamed for not providing better security. And I don't know why the Secret Service didn't just walk a senator and his entourage two blocks in the first place instead of telling them "get on a bus and go to Trump towers." There's all sorts of things that should have happened differently. But thankfully one thing did not happen. Rand and his entourage were not physically attacked. They could have been. Nothing was stopping the crowd from physically attacking them except the fact that the crowd, for whatever reason, did not want to attack. Rand might have felt that way. Other people can feel that way. But our feelings aren't always right.
    It's not about my feelings and what you made up. If you don't think this was about intimidation and there was a possibility he could have been attacked then you aren't on the same page as most. The cops had guns, which is probably why it didn't escalate.
    Anything else I can help you with? Granted you'll have to get a clue as to what's important first.

  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    I did it to make fun of you. See what I did there?

    Not the number. That he was threatened is what's important and you not knowing is proving my point. Thanks for the help.

    It's not about my feelings and what you made up. If you don't think this was about intimidation and there was a possibility he could have been attacked then you aren't on the same page as most. The cops had guns, which is probably why it didn't escalate.
    Anything else I can help you with? Granted you'll have to get a clue as to what's important first.
    I didn't say there wasn't a possibility. You just made that up. I said quite the opposite. When Martin Luther King Jr. was stabbed he was at a book signing. So you can feel like everything is okay and there is a possibility that something might go wrong. And you can feel like you are in danger when you really are not. If the crowd had wanted to attack Rand Paul they could have. There was no "wall of cops" around Rand preventing that. The crowd wasn't trying to "push past the cops" to get to Rand prior to the reinforcements arrived. Rand was mistaken in saying that. He's not infallible. Quit treating him like he is. It's funny that you can't actually attack me on facts. There is nothing I "made up." Everything that I say I have actual reference for. You're operating out of emotion...and that is sad.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 08-29-2020 at 08:08 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  14. #102
    You guys must be very bored this morning, lol.

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I already watched the video. I'm sure he felt that way. Perception doesn't equal reality. He couldn't see that there was a wall of protesters behind him (not a wall of cops) and that the three police officers in front of him would not have been able to do a thing to stop the protesters behind him if they really wanted to harm him and the 3 women with him. I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. @Anti Federalist please explain this one to me. I will accept that Kelly heard things that weren't picked up on video. (They likely weren't shouted but she might have perceived them that way.) But there was no "wall of cops." Not on the right side, left side or rear. When I watched the video the first time I kept waiting in fear and trepidation for a physical attack from behind (where no cops were) that never happened. I know I can't be the only one who watched the video looking for that and didn't see it. There was one person from behind them that threw a cup at that. Awful and disrespectful. If the cops had enough manpower with him that was cause for him to be arrested. But that just further goes to prove my point that if the crowd in general wanted to harm them they could have. All they had to do was get some rocks or glass bottles, circle behind, and start throwing them. That did not happen. It didn't happen because the crowd did not want that to happen. What I don't here anybody talking about, including Rand, is why was security so piss poor for a U.S. Senator? Why was he taking an Uber back to his hotel after being on a bus? The secret service told him to get on the bus because it wasn't safe to walk to his hotel. Why didn't they just give him a ride in one of their armored limos? Why didn't the DC police just bring in some freaking Bearcats and clear a path for all dignitaries leaving the RNC at the Whitehouse to get back to their hotels? There is no logical reason why a U.S. senator was walking with no security on the streets of D.C. at night during such a volatile time. None whatsoever. But the crowd had full opportunity to hurt Rand and his entourage if they wanted to. The didn't want to. They were "armed" with cell phone and cameras. It was disrespectful and scary for the crowd to surround the Pauls like that. I know what happened to Robert Kennedy. But there was no Sirhan Sirhan in that crowd. There was no determined assassin. If there had been, three cops in front with no cops on the side or behind would have been able to stop that. What happened to Rand is what the left falsely claimed to the native American "elder" with the Covington Catholic high school boys. It was disrespectful, but if there had been a real intent of harm there would have been harm.
    OK, let's start with Kelly Paul's account:



    Note that she says the crowd that surrounded them and was screaming at them that they would "$#@! them up" and "$#@! you" among other things, happened before the video clip that most people have seen.

    As to the size of the mob, hard to tell, I've met Rand and Kelly in person, and they are both short folks, so it's easy to figure that 60-80 (that's roughly what it looks like to me) screaming leftists crowding around you could be perceived as hundreds.

    I also know from meeting them that Kelly Paul is pretty level headed and calm, she appears to me to be visibly shaken and angry in this interview.

    There is also a period where the mob starts shoving on the on bike cop who almost goes down...that's nerve wracking and scary, especially when you are aware what these mobs will do once you're down...meaning curb stomp you, possibly until dead.

    Having been the subject of two assassination attempts, Rand's concern is totally justified.

    It didn't happen because the crowd did not want that to happen.
    Yet. Give it a minute or two...mobs get inflamed and worked up to do what they do.

    First it's a rock or a bottle or a bag of piss thrown, then it's pushing and shoving, then it's a full on beat down.

    But there was no Sirhan Sirhan in that crowd. There was no determined assassin.
    How do you know that?

    How do you know that every single one of those Bolsheviks were unarmed?

    Maybe he didn't get there in time.

    Maybe the cop presence scared him off.

    Maybe he was seconds away from pulling a pistol and assassinating them both and just couldn't take his shot.

    And what then...? Six months ago I would have said there would have been a vigorous and violent response from the Amerikunt people. Now I know that's a joke, so I have no good answer.

    What I don't here anybody talking about, including Rand, is why was security so piss poor for a U.S. Senator?
    It's not usually that thick on a senator.

    Why Rand does not carry a sidearm 24/7 after all that has happened to him is beyond me.

    Or at least a big can of jerk sauce.

    It was disrespectful, but if there had been a real intent of harm there would have been harm.
    I disagree...if it had gone on, I have no doubt in my mind that the mob would have worked itself up into doing serious physical harm against them both.

    And keep in mind, I'm not passing moral judgement here...if I found myself in a mob surrounding Chucky Schumer, I think I'd take the opportunity to kick his ass.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 08-30-2020 at 01:21 PM.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    OK, let's start with Kelly Paul's account:



    It starts at 9 minutes in.

    Note that she says the crowd that surrounded them and was screaming at them that they would "$#@! them up" and "$#@! you" among other things, happened before the video clip that most people have seen.
    Thanks for posting this. The video that I've seen, and I saw the night it happened, starts with the Pauls going up to the police and before the crowd had materialized. I think the part you're talking about didn't happen before that video but happened during the video that Fox is showing (and most people have seen) which is when they are making their way to the hotel. That's when things got chaotic.

    As to the size of the mob, hard to tell, I've met Rand and Kelly in person, and they are both short folks, so it's easy to figure that 60-80 (that's roughly what it looks like to me) screaming leftists crowding around you could be perceived as hundreds.
    Right. One thing I've said consistently in this entire discussion is that I don't think Rand's perception matched the reality. I think he's had a chance to watch the video that I saw the first night because he's no longer saying there was a "wall of cops surrounding up and people were trying to push through." That's just not what happened. And facts do matter. There were three cops. Rand also got the ratio of reinforcements better. (No there weren't a thousand reinforcements, but there were more reinforcements that showed up.)

    I also know from meeting them that Kelly Paul is pretty level headed and calm, she appears to me to be visibly shaken and angry in this interview.
    And I don't blame her for being shaken. The walk to the hotel most have been scary. I'm sure the whole thing was scary. There have been times in my life when I was scared and looked back and realized my perception didn't match the reality.

    There is also a period where the mob starts shoving on the on bike cop who almost goes down...that's nerve wracking and scary, especially when you are aware what these mobs will do once you're down...meaning curb stomp you, possibly until dead.
    The part where the cop was trying to push through using his bike as a shield and one man pushed back? That part? The only part that Fox shows over and over again? Yep. Saw that. At that point Rand was, according to his words in the video that you just posted, surrounded by a thousand cops. It was a chaotic situation. As much as I don't like police having armored vehicles, I wish they had just brought in a Bearcat and truly cleared a path. Or better yet, put the Paul's and their guests in a Bearcat and driven to the front of the hotel. Horrible planning for this by the mayor of DC and her staff. Horrible planning.

    Having been the subject of two assassination attempts, Rand's concern is totally justified.
    I'm not saying he wasn't. There is always or perception and then theirs reality. Our perceptions are based on our experiences.

    Yet. Give it a minute or two...mobs get inflamed and worked up to do what they do.
    They were there for much longer than "a minute or two."

    First it's a rock or a bottle or a bag of piss thrown, then it's pushing and shoving, then it's a full on beat down.
    Or snowballs at Sean Hannity. Or...nothing. These discussions remind me of when I'm talking to people on the left about the open carry protests in Michigan. "OMG! They're yelling and spitting in the faces of the police! They're intimidating legislator with *gasp* guns! Something bad could have happened!"

    How do you know that?

    How do you know that every single one of those Bolsheviks were unarmed?

    Maybe he didn't get there in time.

    Maybe the cop presence scared him off.
    So....how do you or anyone else know the opposite? It's all speculation. What I do know is that when Rand Paul, his wife and his friends, were standing there behind police officers, nobody was trying to push past those officers and get to Rand. That is fact. Rand in the other interview got his facts wrong. In the video you just posted Rand didn't make that non-factual claim and that's good.

    It's not usually that thick on a senator.
    This isn't "usual." Things were so bad that the Secret Service told them to get on a bus. They should have called a squad car to carry them to their hotel. If you're important enough for the Secret Service to be having conversations with you about a security threat then you're important enough for somebody to actual give you point to point security rather than telling you to get on a bus that is not going to get you to your actual destination and then leave you to figure out on your own what to do next. Sorry, but there is no alternative universe where the people who should have been ensuring the safety of VIPs, even low level VIPs like senators, can say they did their job right that night. Note I'm not talking about the individual cops. They did their best under the circumstances. And up to the point of trying to move Rand to the hotel, they kept everything calm. No pushing or shoving. Nothing thrown except one cup (and the cops couldn't see that because that came from behind.)

    Why Rand does not carry a sidearm 24/7 after all that has happened to him is beyond me.
    A Bearcat or a police squad car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal sidearm in that situation. You saw what happened with the kid in Kenosha. He was open carrying an AR-15 and someone was stupid enough to try to take it from him.

    Or at least a big can of jerk sauce.
    LOL. Where is Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris when you need the contents of their purse? Kamala might have had a joint. I suppose that would have been helpful too.

    I disagree...if it had gone on, I have no doubt in my mind that the mob would have worked itself up into doing serious physical harm against them both.
    I guess we have different definitions of "real intent." The dude that chased down the kid with the AR-15 had real intent. The woman with the cell phone signing/chanting "Breona Taylor" at Rand Paul didn't. The other people in the crowd might have. They might not have.

    And keep in mind, I'm not passing moral judgement here...if I found myself in a mob surrounding Chucky Schumer, I think I'd take the opportunity to kick his ass.
    LOL. I'll say this. When Sean Hannity was chased down with snowballs, people took immediate action. They didn't chant "Ron Paul! Say his name!" for five minutes trying to decide what they wanted to do.
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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The Unite The Right side planned the rally and got the permit. Those who wanted not to be associated with that shouldn't have shown up on that day. And LOL for you now trying to in effect call me a Nazi. So Alex Jones promotes the "Unite The Right Rally" because the Nazis were promoting it? And that makes me a Nazi? How about that makes Alex Jones a Nazi? (Your words, not mine). I'm sure there were some idiots that didn't realize that there were organizers of the Unite The Right Rally who were Nazis. And there are people protesting police brutality who aren't Marxists. People on the right want to say "They should expel all the Marxists. That there are Marxists among them means they're all guilty." And that's just what the left did with Charlottesville.
    You are a very dishonest poster and it appears you have ulterior motives at this website.

    I just explained about how initially almost nobody knew it was a Nazi rally because it was called "Unite the Right". The poster said nothing about Nazis. Then I explained how once some people figured it out by googling some of the names of the speakers, or knowing who they were, and started telling people on the right not to go, many of them decided not to go who had already made plans. Some may have already had plane tickets.. Obviously AJ did not know it was a nazi rally..

    I explained that some people who were protesting removing the statues didn't see the flyer for the rally and heard there was going to be a protest about statue removal on the news. They showed up, they had no idea there was a nazi rally and were in a different area. Police told them not to go down to the nazi rally. Others saw the flyer and didn't know there was going to be a nazi rally, they thought it was a conservative event.They still didn't end up at the nazi rally, many of them were with the statue removal protesters in a different area.

    YOU just said on this thread that they were "marching together" which is literally the biggest pile of horse $#@! on this thread.

    Instead of admitting you are wrong, you keep making really dishonest arguments that do not in any way further discussion on the topic, all they do is muddy it.

    Why are you bringing this site down, instead of lifting it up with this toxic behavior?
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  19. #106
    A Bearcat or a police squad car >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal sidearm in that situation. You saw what happened with the kid in Kenosha. He was open carrying an AR-15 and someone was stupid enough to try to take it from him
    In this specific example, sure. But in general, I'm staggered he does not carry every waking minute.

    I guess we have different definitions of "real intent." The dude that chased down the kid with the AR-15 had real intent. The woman with the cell phone signing/chanting "Breona Taylor" at Rand Paul didn't. The other people in the crowd might have. They might not have.
    Sure, because bald dude and Rittenhouse had already had their time of yipping at each other.

    Left to follow it's course, with no cops around, Rand and Kelly would have been subject to escalating threats, then tried to flee, with the mob in hot pursuit. When they caught them I have no doubt in my mind they would have inflicted a great deal of physical violence.
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  20. #107
    Rand Paul Wife Kelley on ‘Bloodthirsty’ DC Mob: ‘I Really Felt that We Were Going to Lose Our Lives — I’m Furious that Biden and Kamala Harris Are Not Denouncing This’

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020...nouncing-this/

    Jeff Poor 29 Aug 2020

    On Friday’s broadcast of Fox News Channel’s “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and his wife Kelley Paul discussed their confrontation with an angry mob protesting outside the White House in Washington, D.C. following the completion of the Republican National Convention.

    Kelley Paul recounted the emotions of that experience, saying she felt protesters endangered her life.

    “It was absolutely terrifying,” she said. “I have never experienced anything like that in my life. I hope no one else ever has to. We felt completely powerless. Before some of the video that I think you have shown where the police with the bikes were kind of creating a moving barricade for us. In the minutes before the police with the bikes showed up, we were completely encircled and surrounded, pressed up against two cops who — we were surrounded by people who were screaming in our faces, yelling that they were going to F us up, screaming, ‘Say her name.'”

    “And at one point, you know, at first I was trying to look in their eyes and trying to have any kind of reason or to see someone as a human being, and I realized, they did not see us as human beings,” Kelley Paul continued. “We were Trump supporters, so they absolutely despised us. Even though if we were ever in a situation and maybe could have talked to some of those folks, and they knew about Rand’s background in Criminal Justice Reform and the things that I’ve spoken out on, we could have had agreement. But in that moment, it was just like this bloodthirsty mob, and all I could think of was the man who was kicked in the head in Portland, you know, a week ago or the man whose jaw was broken or eight-year-old, Secoriea Turner. I really felt that we were going to lose our lives. I thought someone was going to throw a brick. I mean, it was the most terrifying moment in my entire life.”

    Kelley Paul said she was “furious” over the lack of condemnation from Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and her husband’s U.S. Senate colleague Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA), the Democratic vice-presidential nominee.

    “I’m furious,” she said. “I am furious. I’m furious that Biden and Kamala Harris are not denouncing this. You tell me if you are surrounded by a mob that will not let you move, that is screaming in your face, that is holding you completely hostage, and you cannot walk to your hotel and yo
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  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    OK, let's start with Kelly Paul's account:



    It starts at 9 minutes in.

    Note that she says the crowd that surrounded them and was screaming at them that they would "$#@! them up" and "$#@! you" among other things, happened before the video clip that most people have seen.
    ...
    Let's strip this right down to what is acceptable, moral or legal behavior.

    If one person walks up to another, blocks them and prevents them from moving and yells threats in their face, they have:

    - Initiated a conflict.
    - Engaged in false imprisonment or kidnapping.
    - Engaged in criminal assault by threat or intimidation.

    One on one, you have every right to use physical force, they have initiated a fight. If that is not possible, the person should be arrested and charged.

    When a mob engages in this behavior, they have someone outnumbered with no means of self-defense. In this case, it should be treated the same as if a single person was engaging in this behavior with a gun.

    There is no defense or excuse for this behavior, and it has been tolerated, and sometimes endorsed by officials for far too long.
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  22. #109

    https://twitter.com/breannamorello/s...82969388744706
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  23. #110

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status...21402038411265

    I'm not a big follower of Cernovich, but he is full of himself, isn't he?
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  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I didn't say there wasn't a possibility. You just made that up. I said quite the opposite. When Martin Luther King Jr. was stabbed he was at a book signing. So you can feel like everything is okay and there is a possibility that something might go wrong. And you can feel like you are in danger when you really are not. If the crowd had wanted to attack Rand Paul they could have. There was no "wall of cops" around Rand preventing that. The crowd wasn't trying to "push past the cops" to get to Rand prior to the reinforcements arrived. Rand was mistaken in saying that. He's not infallible. Quit treating him like he is. It's funny that you can't actually attack me on facts. There is nothing I "made up." Everything that I say I have actual reference for. You're operating out of emotion...and that is sad.
    Keep back peddling. It's not about if you THINK there was a possibility, it's about you making it about the number of people. That's been my point from the getgo. Everything else you said has nothing to do with my point. You going to critique Rand on his grammar next?

  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Let's strip this right down to what is acceptable, moral or legal behavior.

    If one person walks up to another, blocks them and prevents them from moving and yells threats in their face, they have:

    - Initiated a conflict.
    - Engaged in false imprisonment or kidnapping.
    - Engaged in criminal assault by threat or intimidation.

    One on one, you have every right to use physical force, they have initiated a fight. If that is not possible, the person should be arrested and charged.

    When a mob engages in this behavior, they have someone outnumbered with no means of self-defense. In this case, it should be treated the same as if a single person was engaging in this behavior with a gun.

    There is no defense or excuse for this behavior, and it has been tolerated, and sometimes endorsed by officials for far too long.
    And even worse, if you had defended yourself, then the cops would have responded.

    You are right about this.
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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    But the RPF leftists are telling us that the mob only wanted to talk to Rand. Its just talking.



    Yup, just trying to talk...









    You mean like this?




    Can anyone spot Waldo jmdrake in those videos?

    Can you find him?
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  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status...21402038411265

    I'm not a big follower of Cernovich, but he is full of himself, isn't he?
    The guy's been an idiot. He did good work on Epstein and some others so credit where due, but still an idiot.
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  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Keep back peddling. It's not about if you THINK there was a possibility, it's about you making it about the number of people. That's been my point from the getgo. Everything else you said has nothing to do with my point. You going to critique Rand on his grammar next?
    I haven't back peddled at all. You've just made shyt up. I've noticed you have a tendency to do that. Again, there weren't people pushing through a "wall of police." That's not a "grammar error." That a description of what happened that just wasn't factual. Facts do matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Can anyone spot Waldo jmdrake in those videos?

    Can you find him?
    I already told you. I was looking for your tranny hooker. I kept the good ones for myself. But I'll ask @eleganz if he's seen you in any gay porn videos as that's his bailiwick.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status...21402038411265

    I'm not a big follower of Cernovich, but he is full of himself, isn't he?
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    The guy's been an idiot. He did good work on Epstein and some others so credit where due, but still an idiot.
    Is he really? I mean if there really was a group of invisible protesters pushing through a wall of invisible cops than certainly posting a live video of that possibly helped because it gave people reason to scream bloody murder over the internet on RPF which is the sole reason the visible cops on bicycles were able to come to the rescue. His saying he saved Rand's life is as plausible as anything else being peddled.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    You are a very dishonest poster and it appears you have ulterior motives at this website.

    I just explained about how initially almost nobody knew it was a Nazi rally because it was called "Unite the Right". The poster said nothing about Nazis. Then I explained how once some people figured it out by googling some of the names of the speakers, or knowing who they were, and started telling people on the right not to go, many of them decided not to go who had already made plans. Some may have already had plane tickets.. Obviously AJ did not know it was a nazi rally..

    I explained that some people who were protesting removing the statues didn't see the flyer for the rally and heard there was going to be a protest about statue removal on the news. They showed up, they had no idea there was a nazi rally and were in a different area. Police told them not to go down to the nazi rally. Others saw the flyer and didn't know there was going to be a nazi rally, they thought it was a conservative event.They still didn't end up at the nazi rally, many of them were with the statue removal protesters in a different area.

    YOU just said on this thread that they were "marching together" which is literally the biggest pile of horse $#@! on this thread.

    Instead of admitting you are wrong, you keep making really dishonest arguments that do not in any way further discussion on the topic, all they do is muddy it.

    Why are you bringing this site down, instead of lifting it up with this toxic behavior?
    Oh go take one of those nukes that you say Trump used on American soil, shove it up your arse and set it off. You are the toxic and dishonest one here. Plenty of people knew that the Unite The Right rally was going to have Nazis there. And at one point you claimed people didn't even know they were at the "Unite the Right Rally" when that was the title of it! You lie so much you lose track of it! But let's just say you're right (your lying again and you aren't) but let's say that you are. Most sane people, once the found out that the Nazis were the ones who secured the permit, would pack up their shyt and go home. The people that stayed made the choice to stay and continue even after there was a clear Nazi association. Certainly that's their choice. If standing up for a freaking statute is more important than not being associated with Nazis, then that's a choice they had to make and then live with it. By the same token for those who want to stand up against police brutality, real or perceived, make that choice even after knowing there are Marxists (and in some cases Nazis) in the crowd or down the street, or in another town, then they've made their choice. There is no difference in the choice. Hell, someone put up a video here of someone protesting BLM by himself in some racist town in Arkansas. Some would argue "Shouldn't he make sure to eject all of the Marxists in Portland Oregon?" SMFH.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  33. #119
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  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    In this specific example, sure. But in general, I'm staggered he does not carry every waking minute.
    Fair enough. I'm still pissed at the lack of D.C. security. I'm shocked that I seem to be the only one saying this (other than Tucker freaking Carlson). But whatever.

    Sure, because bald dude and Rittenhouse had already had their time of yipping at each other.

    Left to follow it's course, with no cops around, Rand and Kelly would have been subject to escalating threats, then tried to flee, with the mob in hot pursuit. When they caught them I have no doubt in my mind they would have inflicted a great deal of physical violence.
    You know, people on the left feel exactly the same about this:



    Which lead to this.





    I think all y'all need to take a chill pill. From my favorite movie of all time:

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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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