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    Rand Paul Assaulted Again?!! Edit: He is OK

    Sorry no details yet, this is a livestream, I can't rewind...

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1jMJgXPeYLYxL

    Edit: Copy of Post #4

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Looks like no serious injuries.

    Rand, his wife and a guest were walking back to their hotel from the final night at the RNC. Jack Murphy saw him and said, "hey, don't go that way, don't go to the left.."

    But apparently that's where their hotel was.. so they kept going. The mob began crowding around them, and so he walked over to a police officer, and waited for a few minutes for more police to escort them to the hotel. In the mean time they had things thrown at them and were yelling at them and blocking them in the middle of a few dozen people.

    Cops came, escorted them to the hotel, I think Kelley may have lost a shoe.
    Last edited by dannno; 08-27-2020 at 11:56 PM.
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    I think he is OK, he made it back to his hotel apparently..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Replay is up
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    What happened to DC security?

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    Looks like no serious injuries.

    Rand, his wife and a guest were walking back to their hotel from the final night at the RNC. Jack Murphy saw him and said, "hey, don't go that way, don't go to the left.."

    But apparently that's where their hotel was.. so they kept going. The mob began crowding around them, and so he walked over to a police officer, and waited for a few minutes for more police to escort them to the hotel. In the mean time they had things thrown at them and were yelling at them and blocking them in the middle of a few dozen people.

    Cops came, escorted them to the hotel, I think Kelley may have lost a shoe.
    Last edited by dannno; 08-27-2020 at 11:56 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    $#@! these violent thugs!



    This is a time for choosing sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    $#@! these violent thugs!



    This is a time for choosing sides.

    Choosing sides?

    Leftist RPF'ers think choosing a side makes you a shill for the two party system.

    Leftist RPF'ers want you to pretend that there aren't communists in the streets calling for cultural revolution, setting businesses on fire, placing guillotines in public places, beating 71 year olds into the hospital, shooting into cars with families inside.

    I should start naming these leftist RPF'ers in every related post. That would be fun.

    Meh...I'll start now. @TheCount @PAF

    Don't worry, there are more but for now...Enjoy~
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    Who spends this much time copy & pasting the same recycled links, photos & talking points. Where does this troll stand on any issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    $#@! these violent thugs!



    This is a time for choosing sides.
    Rand had his back.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Looks like no serious injuries.

    Rand, his wife and a guest were walking back to their hotel from the final night at the RNC. Jack Murphy saw him and said, "hey, don't go that way, don't go to the left.."

    But apparently that's where their hotel was.. so they kept going. The mob began crowding around them, and so he walked over to a police officer, and waited for a few minutes for more police to escort them to the hotel. In the mean time they had things thrown at them and were yelling at them and blocking them in the middle of a few dozen people.

    Cops came, escorted them to the hotel, I think Kelley may have lost a shoe.
    It was the brunette who lost her shoe. I didn't see anything thrown in the video though Mr. Murphy kept saying that. Most of the people were just talking. Some yelling. Some waiving signs. Apparently some chemical agent was used by the larger group of police when they showed up. That wasn't caught on video but Mr. Murphy said he saw people rubbing their eyes and pouring water on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Choosing sides?

    Leftist RPF'ers think choosing a side makes you a shill for the two party system.

    Leftist RPF'ers want you to pretend that there aren't communists in the streets calling for cultural revolution, setting businesses on fire, placing guillotines in public places, beating 71 year olds into the hospital, shooting into cars with families inside.

    I should start naming these leftist RPF'ers in every related post. That would be fun.

    Meh...I'll start now. @TheCount @PAF
    Enjoy~
    Communists are not compatible with liberty.

    The Marxist left that is screaming in America's face can't be reasoned with. They want to bring about a violent revolution that is the exact opposite of the r3VOLution we here once advocated for.

    The parties have been clarified and liberty's future dies in one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    $#@! these violent thugs!



    This is a time for choosing sides.
    Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    It was the brunette who lost her shoe. I didn't see anything thrown in the video though Mr. Murphy kept saying that. Most of the people were just talking. Some yelling. Some waiving signs. Apparently some chemical agent was used by the larger group of police when they showed up. That wasn't caught on video but Mr. Murphy said he saw people rubbing their eyes and pouring water on them.
    A Jacobin/Marxist mob honed in on Rand Paul. Had cops not been there he would probably have been beaten bloody.

    $#@! the Jacobin/Marxists.

    A bullet to the brain pan is all the deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    This is a time for choosing sides.
    It's getting close to that. A little over 2 months and I think it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    A Jacobin/Marxist mob honed in on Rand Paul. Had cops not been there he would probably have been beaten bloody.

    $#@! the Jacobin/Marxists.

    A bullet to the brain pan is all the deserve.
    Maybe. Maybe not. If the "Jacobin/Marxist mob" had really wanted to hurt Rand Paul those few officers there at the beginning wouldn't have be able to stop that. In fact some of the "violent mob" were close enough to whisper in the ears of Rand, his wife and his guest. Nothing would have stopped a shanking if that's what they wanted to do. Seems like instead they wanted to talk. But hey, you're free to project into the minds of people you don't know whatever it is you want regardless of what the video shows or doesn't show. From the title I was expecting what happened when Rand was mowing his lawn. (You know. An actual violent assault.) I'm thankful that's not at all what happened.
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    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    It's getting close to that. A little over 2 months and I think it happens.
    The only "sides" to choose are right versus wrong. For example...



    Another example...

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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Maybe. Maybe not. If the "Jacobin/Marxist mob" had really wanted to hurt Rand Paul those few officers there at the beginning wouldn't have be able to stop that. In fact some of the "violent mob" were close enough to whisper in the ears of Rand, his wife and his guest. Nothing would have stopped a shanking if that's what they wanted to do. Seems like instead they wanted to talk. But hey, you're free to project into the minds of people you don't know whatever it is you want regardless of what the video shows or doesn't show. From the title I was expecting what happened when Rand was mowing his lawn. (You know. An actual violent assault.) I'm thankful that's not at all what happened.
    It was damn close if you ask me. That was a lot more than want to talk. That crowd was there looking for trouble. The guy who shoved the bike cop could easily be charged with assault on an officer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Maybe. Maybe not. If the "Jacobin/Marxist mob" had really wanted to hurt Rand Paul those few officers there at the beginning wouldn't have be able to stop that. In fact some of the "violent mob" were close enough to whisper in the ears of Rand, his wife and his guest. Nothing would have stopped a shanking if that's what they wanted to do. Seems like instead they wanted to talk. But hey, you're free to project into the minds of people you don't know whatever it is you want regardless of what the video shows or doesn't show. From the title I was expecting what happened when Rand was mowing his lawn. (You know. An actual violent assault.) I'm thankful that's not at all what happened.
    I recognize intimidation. Have you ever? If the cops weren't there what do you think would happen. A pleasant conversation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Nothing would have stopped a shanking if that's what they wanted to do. Seems like instead they wanted to talk.
    Yea, they wanted to talk.....

    Just like Rand's neighbor was just trying to show his passion for universal healthcare

    Just like the GOP baseball shooter was trying to lobby republican officials.

    Just like Jacob Blake was trying to "leave" according to your own words.



    Leftists really do see something entirely different and expend extraordinary amounts of energy trying to minimize the perceived violence of the radical left mob.

    None of those idiots wanted to be on camera assaulting/murdering a US Senator. If no cameras, Rand would be dead or close to it. We should all be thankful that there were some good people around and police escorts.





    Last edited by eleganz; 08-28-2020 at 01:07 AM.
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    Who spends this much time copy & pasting the same recycled links, photos & talking points. Where does this troll stand on any issue?

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  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The only "sides" to choose are right versus wrong. For example...



    Another example...

    Good. Blacks need to step up and expel Marxists from misrepresenting them.
    But, as yet, they haven't. In mass. Haven't quelled it.
    So I can only guess they support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    Yea, they wanted to talk.....
    Well...that's what they did. The video evidence shows them talking. They were close enough to shank Rand if they wanted to do that. So either they didn't want to do that....or they didn't have a shank. Who knows?

    Just like Rand's neighbor was just trying to show his passion for universal healthcare
    Except he DID actually physically attack Rand. Which proves my point. If this crowd had really wanted to hurt Rand...they would have.

    Just like the GOP baseball shooter was trying to lobby republican officials.
    Except that shooter DID really want to shoot. That's shown by the fact that he did. You're actually proving my point.

    Just like Jacob Blake was trying to "leave" according to your own words.
    You think he wanted to stay? Every sane person, even those arguing that the shooting wasn't justified, has to admit he was trying to leave. Some people believe that if someone is subject to arrest is trying to leave then escalation up to and including deadly force is justified. @Anti Federalist just posted a video (all white people) where a brain dead policewoman was so insistent that a crazy man allow her to arrest him that she ended up shooting his mother. Not justified in my book. Perhaps justified in yours.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Good. Blacks need to step up and expel Marxists from misrepresenting them.
    But, as yet, they haven't. In mass. Haven't quelled it.
    So I can only guess they support it.
    In the case of Denzell Washington he wasn't at all "expelling a Marxist." He was intervening in an arrest of a mentally disturbed individual to make sure things didn't get out of hand. Not everything is right vs left.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    In the case of Denzell Washington he wasn't at all "expelling a Marxist." He was intervening in an arrest of a mentally disturbed individual to make sure things didn't get out of hand. Not everything is right vs left.
    Perhaps Denzell needs to step up and condemn the JacobinMarxists co-opting BLM? Be a real voice.

    Until BLM condemns and excommunicates the Jacobin/Marxist element they are percieved as supporting it.

    I'd love to see some bruthers throw down on some white, inculcated, Marxists.

    But, I haven't. Yet.
    Last edited by phill4paul; 08-28-2020 at 01:03 AM.

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    I guess these people that are yelling at Rand to say Breonna Taylor's name are not aware of the fact that Rand has introduced the Justice for Breonna Taylor Act to end no-knock warrants...
    Last edited by jct74; 08-28-2020 at 01:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    The Marxist left that is screaming in America's face can't be reasoned with. They want to bring about a violent revolution that is the exact opposite of the r3VOLution we here once advocated for.
    There is no doubt of this.

    None.
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    One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. - Smedley Darlington Butler



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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    I guess these people that are yelling at Rand to say Breonna Taylor's name are not aware of the fact that Rand has introduced the Justice for Breonna Taylor act to end no-knock warrants...
    These street Jacobins are, quite literally, Know-Nothings.

    When pressed with serious questions, all they can do is screech, especially the broads, like demons sprinkled with holy water.
    There are only two things we should fight for.
    One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. - Smedley Darlington Butler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    There is no doubt of this.

    None.
    But the RPF leftists are telling us that the mob only wanted to talk to Rand. Its just talking.



    Yup, just trying to talk...






    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    These street Jacobins are, quite literally, Know-Nothings.

    When pressed with serious questions, all they can do is screech, especially the broads, like demons sprinkled with holy water.

    You mean like this?



    Last edited by eleganz; 08-28-2020 at 01:27 AM.
    THE SQUAD of RPF
    1. enhanced_deficit - Troll Ringleader
    2. TheCount - pocket holder
    3. PAF - blind disciple
    4. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF is to troll:

    Who spends this much time copy & pasting the same recycled links, photos & talking points. Where does this troll stand on any issue?

    7 years & 25k posts later, forum does nothing & members think they're replying to real posts

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    I guess these people that are yelling at Rand to say Breonna Taylor's name are not aware of the fact that Rand has introduced the Justice for Breonna Taylor act to end no-knock warrants...
    Probably not. But you forget that just about everybody who regularly posts here is a PhD level political wonk as opposed to the run of the mill protester from either side of the political spectrum. Do you remember the Sarah Palin supporter who just couldn't be made to believe that Palin had supported the bailout? Add to that the fact that Fox didn't give that much coverage because it doesn't fit the "police will save us from the Democrats" narrative and CNN won't cover it because it doesn't fit the "Democrats will save us from the police" narrative.

    That said, I hope Rand had a chance to explain that to the people who were close enough to talk to. I WISH he had live streamed this! I would have loved to hear the conversations. I'm certain Rand handled himself well.

    Something else. The BLM movement as a whole isn't sophisticated. They aren't pushing a legislative agenda. (I'm talking rank and file here). They can't see past "Arrest this/these cops in this particular incident" and arguing over hashtags. It's sad really.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    These street Jacobins are, quite literally, Know-Nothings.

    When pressed with serious questions, all they can do is screech, especially the broads, like demons sprinkled with holy water.
    99% of those out after dark.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    These street Jacobins are, quite literally, Know-Nothings.

    When pressed with serious questions, all they can do is screech, especially the broads, like demons sprinkled with holy water.
    There are dumb ones on all sides.

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    But the RPF leftists are telling us that the mob only wanted to talk to Rand. Its just talking.



    Yup, just trying to talk...









    You mean like this?



    Which one in that video was Rand?
    Last edited by jmdrake; 08-28-2020 at 06:50 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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