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    Cummins to build largest electrolyzer in the United States (Washington State)



    Cummins using hydrogen technology to enable renewable energy for public utilities in Washington with the largest electrolyzer in the United States

    Cummins.com | Aug 26, 2020 | Douglas County, Washington (USA)

    Global technology and power solutions leader Cummins Inc. (NYSE: CMI) will provide its 5-megawatt PEM electrolyzer to enable renewable energy for the Douglas County Public Utility District (Douglas County PUD) in Washington state. The Cummins electrolyzer will be dedicated to producing hydrogen from renewable energy and will be the largest, as well as first of its kind in use by a public utility, in the United States.

    Expected to be operational in 2021, the new renewable hydrogen facility allows the Douglas County PUD to manufacture commercial hydrogen using electrolysis to harvest hydrogen from water from Wells Dam on the Columbia River. The PEM electrolyzer system, which stands for proton exchange membrane, takes the excess renewable energy and through a chemical reaction splits water into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen acts as an energy carrier and the oxygen is released into the air. The hydrogen can then be stored in a gas or liquid state to be used in a multitude of applications, including fuel cell electric mobility. The electrolyzer is powered by clean hydroelectricity, so the production of hydrogen does not generate any carbon emissions.

    “It takes enterprises, governments and utilities working together, like what we have done with Douglas County PUD, to make alternative power a reality and promote a more sustainable world. Douglas County PUD is just one example of how Cummins is expanding the energy market and driving new power solutions for our customers.”

    The electrolyzer technology provides a means to address one of the largest dilemmas in the renewable energy industry, which is how to store the energy when it’s not in demand. Cummins’ PEM electrolyzers, like Douglas County PUD’s electrolyzer plant, enables utilities to store the excess energy that they would typically sell off to the market at a financial loss, or not harness at all, and instead store that energy to sell into a new green hydrogen market. Additionally, it creates a way for utilities to engage in new market opportunities outside of their typical service area, removing growth barriers often faced in the industry.

    "Douglas County PUD is excited to work with Cummins’ Fuel Cell and Hydrogen Technologies on our 5-megawatt hydrogen electrolyzer project. This hydrogen plant will create efficiencies for our Wells Hydroelectric Project and create a new renewable hydrogen gas resource for our community,” said Gary Ivory, General Manager of Douglas County PUD. “As the first renewable hydrogen production plant in Washington State, we understand the importance of great partners, and we believe Cummins’ will help us build a successful project.”...MORE: https://www.cummins.com/news/release...blic-utilities






    Finally the US begins to wake up to the Hydrogen Energy REVOLUTION. Not a single post here about the biggest US H2 news all year- Nikola Motor, nothing about Germany or Australia's National H2 strategy... while Americans sleep... Soon, North Americans can get their H2 Fuel Cells from China, the country that North American Companies received tax credits to outsource American jobs to, by both (D)'s and (R)'s. What kind of nation gives away it's manufacturing base? A dumbed-down nation led by criminals and fools. That kind of nation.

    UK Telegraph: 2020s will be ‘decade of hydrogen’



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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
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    Finally the US begins to wake up to the Hydrogen Energy REVOLUTION. Not a single post here about the biggest US H2 news all year- Nikola Motor,

    I posted about Nikola.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post



    This is the 10 day moving average of the equity put/call ratio over the last five years. Bigger extreme now than even the beginning of the year.

    Craziest speculative market ever. Nikola Motors has NO product or revenue and now valued more than Ford Motor.
    It is a dog $#@! fraud. Worth Zero. Elaborate research from probably the best short selling research firm on the planet. https://hindenburgresearch.com/nikola/

    Not surprising you think Nikola is "the biggest news of the year"

    Last edited by Krugminator2; 09-11-2020 at 10:42 AM.

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    GM acquires stake in electric truck maker Nikola, will help make the company’s first vehicle
    https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/8/21...hydrogen-truck

    3 days ago

    The direction Trucking is going.
    https://www.ccjdigital.com/hydrogen-...ectric-refuel/

    https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...-to-haul-cargo




    Last edited by pcosmar; 09-11-2020 at 02:55 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    GM acquires stake in electric truck maker Nikola, will help make the company’s first vehicle
    https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/8/21...hydrogen-truck
    GM spent $2 billion on a bag of magic beans. There's a reason they needed a bailout.

    Head of Nikola, a G.M. Electric Truck Partner, Quits Amid Fraud Claims https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/b...n-resigns.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    GM spent $2 billion on a bag of magic beans. ]
    GM spent Money to KEEP Up with the market..

    Freightliner,Cummings,Mercedes,VW,Volvo,,, or maybe you prefer the Hyundai,

    https://www.autoblog.com/2020/07/08/...ectric-europe/



    Personally,, I have been looking for Hydrogen as a Fuel since the early 70s.

    I would really love to see the Desert dwelling HeadChoppers to lose their only source of income. and have to eat the oil.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    GM spent Money to KEEP Up with the market..
    Market seems to disagree. Down 60% since the deal was announced.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Market seems to disagree. Down 60% since the deal was announced.

    Check Cummings.
    https://markets.businessinsider.com/stocks/cmi-stock

    Hydrogen Fuel is a coming reality.. long overdue.

    The choice now is to get in or kick rocks.

    https://www.cummins.com/news/release...-amplification
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    related bump
    Bugatti
    https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar189646.html



    In layman’s terms, this hypercar will serve as a test bed for the next-generation Bugatti supercar, which will be fully electric and powered by a Rimac-built drivetrain.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom



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    Hydrogen Production and refueling stations are still lacking...
    But they are coming..

    This is where they advancements will be made (competition)

    https://www.greencarreports.com/news...rmula-e-racing

    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post
    o]

    Not a single post here about the biggest US H2 news all year- Nikola Motor,


    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ni...07-29?mod=bnbh

    Trevor Milton, founder of electric truck company Nikola Corp. NKLA, +7.26% has been indicted on three counts of fraud by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York for making "false and misleading statements" to investors regarding "nearly all aspects of the business,"
    Free Markets >>>>> Green Energy Central Planners.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 07-29-2021 at 07:07 AM.

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    Hydrogen still brings along a lot of inefficiencies:

    1) First you put the energy in to create hydrogen, this is the amount of energy that can later be recovered +losses.
    2) Then the hydrogen has to be cooled/compressed. Further energy required.
    3) Hydrogen storage is difficult and further increases losses.
    4) The hydrogen needs to be transported to where it's needed. Further energy required.
    5) Hydrogen needs to be turned back into electricity. Further losses.

    Apart from the battery in EV's that needs to be recycled, which is definitely not perfect and this is not a defence thereof; The energy conversion efficiency is just a lot better.
    "I am a bird"

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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Hydrogen still brings along a lot of inefficiencies:

    1) First you put the energy in to create hydrogen, this is the amount of energy that can later be recovered +losses.
    2) Then the hydrogen has to be cooled/compressed. Further energy required.
    3) Hydrogen storage is difficult and further increases losses.
    4) The hydrogen needs to be transported to where it's needed. Further energy required.
    5) Hydrogen needs to be turned back into electricity. Further losses.

    Apart from the battery in EV's that needs to be recycled, which is definitely not perfect and this is not a defence thereof; The energy conversion efficiency is just a lot better.
    Better than what..

    Energy storage and retrieval.(use)

    Oil/Gasoline..Limited supply, Short shelf life.. and needs a complicated machine to turn it into usable energy.

    Coal.. Massive reserves.. Simple machines can convert Heat to usable energy.

    Batteries are Energy Storage..
    Portable/mobile energy storage..

    Electricity can be produced by many means.. Wind water and Sun..and well as Coal.

    it is simpler,,

    Oil rose to dominance once because it was cheap and available.
    It has been neither for a very long time.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Hydrogen still brings along a lot of inefficiencies:

    1) First you put the energy in to create hydrogen, this is the amount of energy that can later be recovered +losses.
    2) Then the hydrogen has to be cooled/compressed. Further energy required.
    3) Hydrogen storage is difficult and further increases losses.
    4) The hydrogen needs to be transported to where it's needed. Further energy required.
    5) Hydrogen needs to be turned back into electricity. Further losses.

    Apart from the battery in EV's that needs to be recycled, which is definitely not perfect and this is not a defence thereof; The energy conversion efficiency is just a lot better.
    Not so much. Hydrogen isn't created. It's an element. It's separated from the oxygen in water. Yes, that requires an investment of over 100% of the potential chemical energy you get out of it. Yes, energy storage is difficult whether it's hydrogen, gasoline or electricity. So is transportation; a pipeline does not differ radically in the amount of pumping energy from the loss due to resistance in high tension lines. And batteries are still heavy, which means electric vehicles that don't tap catenary wires or third rails are heavier than internal combustion vehicles, meaning it takes more energy to move them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

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    I've been on many industry calls and workshops on Hydrogen and the economics still aren't there, yet. There is some promise there as an energy storage medium - but it's unlikely it'll ever make a good generation source. Here's a helpful color code that I keep on my desk:


    In the case of this thread, we're talking about Green Hydrogen. luctor-et-emergo was right when he talked about the inefficiencies. There is some hope to get the efficiency ratings up, but it's going to take a long time. Utility generators love the idea because they know that they'll get paid for all the electric produced for Green or Yellow Hydrogen instead of what is actually used. Nuclear plants are pushing for Pink.

    The idea is to produce the hydrogen store of energy and then move it and use it somewhere else. It basically becomes a battery. But it'll take a long time to get better than Li-ion and it'll never get better than transmission lines as a way to move energy from one point to another. Doesn't mean there aren't applications for it - just means they are few.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Not so much. Hydrogen isn't created.
    I know but it doesn't change the point of incurring (many) more losses than directly charging EV's with the electricity.
    "I am a bird"



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