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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And that's just where this whole discussion jumps the shark.

    I'm sorry, GOP government, at the state level especially, is not Hitler-esque fascism. NH is not going to build a Bismarck, annex Vermont, erect death camps, take control of industry and regulate every private moment of people's lives to make sure it benefits the good of the state and the Volk.

    It will do what it has done in the past, "conserve". I can be reasonably sure that it will vote down broad based taxes, excessive spending, seat belt or helmet laws, firearms restrictions, eminent domain takings, schooling choices restrictions and whole slew of other leftist initiatives that would have passed in the past couple of years had it not been for a pretty decent GOP governor that vetoed these and whole slew of others.

    So you're presenting a false choice.
    I'm referring mostly to the federal election level. Indeed, some good choices can be made in some states by voting, provided you have done your homework on who you are actually voting for. It should still be mentioned that the mere act of voting is considered "the consent of the governed" to whatever the outcome is, however. eta: This is why they have been working to Federalize so many state functions recently under the Trump admin. It's been ongoing over multiple admins of course but massive federalization has been implemented under all of the surface distractions (schools, policing, among others).

    In the British retreat from Lexington and Concord, and the Battle of Bunker Hill, two early and decisive Continental victories, that is precisely what they did, attacked without mercy, rank and file British regulars. They, quite literally, massacred them on the way back to Boston, in a bloody and brutal British retreat.
    And didn't the British regroup by adding many more soldiers in later battles so as to overwhelm purely on numbers? The Continental response to that then became to institute guerilla warfare aimed at primarily taking out their leaders instead, which led to disarray among the soldiers who couldn't perform without their direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
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    I'm referring mostly to the federal election level. Indeed, some good choices can be made in some states by voting, provided you have done your homework on who you are actually voting for. It should still be mentioned that the mere act of voting is considered "the consent of the governed" to whatever the outcome is, however.



    And didn't the British regroup by adding many more soldiers in later battles so as to overwhelm purely on numbers? The Continental response to that then became to institute guerilla warfare aimed at primarily taking out their leaders instead, which led to disarray among the soldiers who couldn't perform without their direction.
    You're not immune to laws democrats pass restricting your rights if you don't vote.

  4. #483
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You're not immune to laws democrats pass restricting your rights if you don't vote.
    You mean like the PA under W?
    There is no spoon.

  5. #484
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I'm pretty sure poor, stupid, bored people aren't what TJ meant when he mentioned "tyrants". Hmm...how did the 3% defeat the British? It wasn't by shooting every British soldier. It was by going after their battlefield leaders, which then caused disarray among the soldiers.
    Maybe not on purpose but that is exactly what this kid did. At least two of the three he clipped were paid agitators, commissars, whatever. One was shipped in from Texas, the other was a member of some h-o-m-o social justice org from Milwaukee. When their mouthpieces got bloodied, the rest took their toys and went home.

  6. #485
    good grief..the smoking gun so to say....anyone confirm this isn't doctored. Cause the slimy Marxist dirtbag clearly has a gun

    https://twitter.com/Rahoot89/status/...398656/photo/1

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  7. #486
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    good grief..the smoking gun so to say....anyone confirm this isn't doctored. Cause the slimy Marxist dirtbag clearly has a gun

    https://twitter.com/Rahoot89/status/...398656/photo/1
    That gun has been in his hand in every video and every still from every angle that I've seen since this happened. Patriots don't have the juice to pull that off.

  8. #487
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    good grief..the smoking gun so to say....anyone confirm this isn't doctored. Cause the slimy Marxist dirtbag clearly has a gun

    https://twitter.com/Rahoot89/status/...398656/photo/1

    There's multiple shots of him armed with what appears to be Glock handgun, from numerous angles and from numerous sources.

    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 08-28-2020 at 12:12 PM.
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  9. #488
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    good grief..the smoking gun so to say....anyone confirm this isn't doctored. Cause the slimy Marxist dirtbag clearly has a gun

    https://twitter.com/Rahoot89/status/...398656/photo/1




    It's easy to see......... double-click video to enlarge right here on the spot.




    High Def. No Edit





    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...563648/photo/2

    A friend of the man who rushed at the #Kenosha teen with a pistol and was shot in the arm has posted an update about his status. Doctors were able to save Gaige Grosskreutz's right arm. The friend says Gaige regrets not being able to kill the teen.
    Last edited by Mach; 08-28-2020 at 01:08 PM.
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    The Violence Could Get Much Worse

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-trump/615775/

    Unless police and political leaders begin to crack down on the armed vigilantes monitoring protests, more bloodshed could soon follow the killings in Kenosha.
    Elaine Godfrey
    August 27, 2020

    The killings in Kenosha, Wisconsin, represent an alarming escalation of the fight over police violence that has consumed the country this summer: It wasn’t an agent of the state who shot two Americans dead this week. Instead, an American man turned his weapon on other civilians during a protest—and law enforcement let him walk right by them and out of town. Police and political leaders have failed for years to take the actions necessary to prevent this kind of violence. Without serious, sustained intervention, more bloodshed could soon follow.

    Late Tuesday night, a young white man with an AR-15-style rifle slung over his shoulder sprinted down a darkened street. He had, according to the narrative later pieced together from cellphone footage, just shot a person in the head and left them to bleed out in the parking lot of a car dealership. As he ran, a scattered group of people gave chase, and he fired at them, hitting at least one. A bystander called out to the police stationed at the end of the block: “Hey, dude right here shot them!” Yet the officers did nothing. When the shooter reached the squad cars, his arms raised in surrender, they let him pass.

    Seventeen-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse, who has described himself as a militia member and appeared in videos that night next to other armed men linked to a local militia group known as the Kenosha Guard, has since been arrested and charged with killing two people. (He hasn’t yet entered a plea.) Rittenhouse and the other men, who claimed to be protecting local businesses, are not the first armed right-wing counterprotesters to evade police scrutiny this summer. In May and June, such extremists appeared on 187 occasions at protests around the country, according to the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights, a left-leaning organization that tracks extremist groups. Vigilantes appeared to receive the support or approval of police in about two dozen of those instances, says Alexander Reid Ross, a researcher at the Center for Analysis of the Radical Right and the author of Against the Fascist Creep.

    On June 2, amid the nationwide demonstrations to protest the killing of George Floyd, officers in Philadelphia allowed men armed with bats to linger outside a police station past curfew, then looked on while members of the group beat protesters. Around the same time, authorities in Curry County, Oregon, seemed to welcome “local boys” defending the community against a rumored appearance from the left-wing group antifa. A constable in Texas called on members of a far-right paramilitary organization called Oath Keepers to guard a hair salon from threats of looting and arson. A police officer in Salem, Oregon, was filmed politely asking a group of armed men to disperse ahead of curfew “so we don't look like we're playing favorites.”

    But deferential treatment of armed counterprotesters suggests that police are playing favorites. When law enforcement reacts leniently to far-right militant organizations, those groups tend to believe any violence on their part is authorized, says Michael German, a retired FBI agent who spent months in the early 1990s working undercover among white supremacists and right-wing militants. Consistent leniency, he told me, “has created a monster that’s going to be hard to contain.”

    This week’s violence suggests that “you’re going to see more people arming themselves and deciding they’re going to police the environment,” Erroll Southers, the director of Homegrown Violent Extremism Studies at the University of Southern California’s Price School of Public Policy, told me.

    Vigilantes have recently appeared in situations beyond anti-police-violence protests too. Authorities have allowed men and women wielding assault rifles to storm state capitol buildings in protest of the mask mandates and stay-at-home orders instituted during the coronavirus pandemic. Armed militias, under the watch of police, have demonstrated against the removal of Confederate statues. (Left-wing groups have used intimidation tactics and violence too, but their relationship to law enforcement is different and their presence has been much less frequent at public events this year.)

    President Donald Trump and his allies have not condemned armed vigilantism. "How shocked are we that 17-year-olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?" Tucker Carlson asked on his Fox News program. At the Republican National Convention last night, Vice President Mike Pence decried the “rioting and looting” occurring in America’s cities and vowed to stand up for law enforcement. But he didn’t reference Rittenhouse, or the police shooting of Jacob Blake that triggered the Kenosha protests in the first place. When he denounced the murder of federal officer Dave Patrick Underwood in Oakland in May, Pence failed to mention that he was murdered by a man with ties to a far-right extremist group; instead, Pence implied that the officer’s death was caused by “the riots.” Trump similarly omitted details about the Kenosha protests when he announced yesterday that he planned to send federal law enforcement and the National Guard to Wisconsin “to restore law and order.” Over the summer, Trump has repeatedly referred to Black Lives Matter protesters as “thugs,” and in June ordered peaceful demonstrators to be tear-gassed and shot with rubber bullets.

    Trump’s messaging empowers right-wing extremists, German, now a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice, told me. “The president has [treated] protesters as his political enemies,” he said. “It’s easy to see how these groups feel that Donald Trump is their champion, at least for the short term.”

    Civilians taking up arms during periods of social unrest is a familiar phenomenon in America: During the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles in 1992, for example, armed citizens defended their stores from looting and vandalism. But 30 years ago, the very nature of vigilantism was different: Americans didn’t have such easy access to the military-grade weapons that are now prevalent in this country. The Los Angelenos guarding their businesses brandished pistols, not AR-15s. This kind of firepower necessarily means that the potential for mass injury and death is much greater. One-third of American adults own a gun, and 43 percent of adults in Wisconsin have a gun in their home, according to a recent estimate from the Rand Corporation, a nonprofit policy think tank. (It is legal for an adult to carry firearms openly in public places in Wisconsin.)

    Another difference: Historically, many militia groups have been anti-police and anti-government. But some of those in action today are outright supporters of law enforcement and conservative politicians. The groups that protested mask restrictions and stay-at-home laws this summer echoed Trump's opposition to both measures, and as the president has decried antifa on Twitter, these groups have appeared at protests to beat back far-left activists. Rittenhouse himself is a Trump supporter who attended one of the president’s rallies earlier this year, according to BuzzFeed.

    Yet the partisan nature of these groups also means that Republican leaders can help put a stop to their vigilantism. Political violence tends to increase during election years, German said, and that’s especially true in periods when rhetoric is heated and political polarization is at record levels. A consistent message from Trump and other elected officials at both the local and national levels could help calm the turmoil. “You will not be the police,” Southers advises officials to tell community members. “Anybody breaking the law will be arrested and prosecuted, whether they are destroying property or aggressively going after protesters.” That message would require the cooperation of local police—and a commitment to enforce laws equally. Officers’ hands are often tied in places where open carry is legal, but they can still enforce curfews and other laws regulating protest. State leaders, too, could be doing more to check these paramilitary groups, Southers noted. All 50 states have laws on the books that allow them to restrict militia presence in public places, according to a 2017 report from Georgetown Law’s Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection.

    If there is little change, including in the Trump administration’s rhetoric, the country should expect many more instances of far-right vigilantism to accompany protests and other public events in the future, experts told me. Pete Simi, a sociology professor at Chapman University who studies extremist groups, warned that violence could—and likely will—extend beyond Election Day. If the president and his allies don’t turn the temperature down, far-right groups may feel even more emboldened during a second Trump term. And if Joe Biden defeats Trump in November, “a segment of [Trump’s] base will view this as grounds for no other choice but to revolt and revolt violently,” Simi told me. In either scenario, it will be up to local law enforcement to decide whether to prevent violence.

    In video footage taken before the shooting began on Tuesday night, Rittenhouse and a few other men carrying weapons and wearing tactical vests strapped to their chests can be seen gathered in the darkness near a cluster of armored police vehicles. One officer, coming in fuzzy over a loudspeaker, orders protesters to disperse. At the same time, another officer tosses water bottles to Rittenhouse and his compatriots. “We appreciate you guys,” he says. “We really do.”
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  12. #490
    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    It's easy to see......... double-click video to enlarge right here on the spot.




    High Def. No Edit





    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...563648/photo/2
    Yeah. It's clear at time 0:07.



    How did that dude end up by himself? Wasn't there a small group of them?
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  14. #492
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Yeah. It's clear at time 0:07.



    How did that dude end up by himself? Wasn't there a small group of them?
    Yeah that's really a key part of the timeline that would be important to know. We've seen the 7 or 8 of the militia together in a verbal altercation with the mob, and then we see Rittenhouse running alone from the skinhead pedo guy, and then we see him running down the road. there are pieces missing and they're important.

  15. #493
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    ...
    In the British retreat from Lexington and Concord, and the Battle of Bunker Hill, two early and decisive Continental victories, that is precisely what they did, attacked without mercy, rank and file British regulars. They, quite literally, massacred them on the way back to Boston, in a bloody and brutal British retreat.

    Once Washington and other Continental leadership started playing by European "Gentleman's warfare" rules, they started losing, badly.

    The Benjamin Martin character in the movie The Patriot, channels the persona of Francis Marion, who helped shift that notion back to non conventional warfare.
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    ...
    And didn't the British regroup by adding many more soldiers in later battles so as to overwhelm purely on numbers? The Continental response to that then became to institute guerilla warfare aimed at primarily taking out their leaders instead, which led to disarray among the soldiers who couldn't perform without their direction.
    While the American revolution is interesting, it’s better to look at this in a contemporary context. What is happening right now is a Color Revolution in the US, pushed upon us by socialist globalists such as Soros and Hillary, with a whole lot of useful idiot Marxists to do the dirty work.

    From the Ron Paul Liberty Report:

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    - Hillary is calling for Democrats to never accept the elections results (if they lose).

    - Daniel points out that Hillary saying "don't concede under any circumstances" is a tactic straight from the "Color Revolution" handbook. They have used it all over the world, now they are bringing a color revolution to the US.
    If we want better comparisons, look to the Color Revolutions from Kosovo till now.
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  16. #494
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    While the American revolution is interesting, it’s better to look at this in a contemporary context. What is happening right now is a Color Revolution in the US, pushed upon us by socialist globalists such as Soros and Hillary, with a whole lot of useful idiot Marxists to do the dirty work.

    If we want better comparisons, look to the Color Revolutions from Kosovo till now.
    I agree.

    Devil21 brought it up and I responded.

    I see a clear historical connection however to the same time period, the French Revolution.

    The $#@!s in the streets that aren't calling themselves Marxists are calling themselves Jacobins.

    Their goals, politics and methods very closely resemble the Jacobins...even to starting to show up with guillotines.

    If they achieve power, the real ones will not be far behind.

    And it will be our heads who are in it.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

  17. #495
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Yeah. It's clear at time 0:07.



    How did that dude end up by himself? Wasn't there a small group of them?
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCifelli1 View Post
    Yeah that's really a key part of the timeline that would be important to know. We've seen the 7 or 8 of the militia together in a verbal altercation with the mob, and then we see Rittenhouse running alone from the skinhead pedo guy, and then we see him running down the road. there are pieces missing and they're important.
    Yes, there was, as the "push me-pull you" mob and defenders scuffled, he got separated from the group.

    "Shoot me, niggger!" dude took off after him and attacked him in a parking that seems to be across the street.

    It was at this point he chucked the brick, or Molotov or whatever it was.

    They confronted each other at that point and that was when Rittenhouse fired and SMN guy took the room temperature challenge.
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    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Edmund Burke: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"


    The Devil: "Good men should sit back and do nothing"
    Bump for relevance.

    Another trick of the devil is to point out flaws of the good side and claim that they are just as bad as the bad side so you should reject them.

    You can see these satanic patterns throughout history, when necessary the minions of the devil will infiltrate the good side and commit wrongs so their comrades can point to them for the false equivalence argument.
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  21. #498
    I was trying to find locations, but then found this, here's both.


    It is NBC, but it's, ok.


    Locations

    1. All of the people shot can be seen here in videos....

    6007 Sheridan Rd
    Kenosha, WI 53143

    Was a Shell Gas (2017), but currently is an Ultimate Convenience Center.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/60...!4d-87.8211047

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    2. Then, the first shooting takes place here....

    6226 Sheridan Rd
    Kenosha, WI 53143

    Again, was a different business when google took pic (2017), but same exact location as shooting.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/60...!4d-87.8211047

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    3. And this is the second shooting, with Kyle on the ground at Sheridan Rd and 61st St.


    https://www.google.com/maps/place/60...!4d-87.8211047
    Last edited by Mach; 08-29-2020 at 12:54 AM.
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  22. #499
    Here is a Daily Caller reporters personal story on the FIRST shooting, her director of video, Richie Mcginnis (The Daily Caller), is the man who takes off his shirt to try to stop the bleeding, he is standing a few feet away when the shooting takes place, he can be seen clearly in the videos.



    https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/27/w...ally-happened/

    Shelby Talcott
    Media Reporter
    August 27, 2020 11:09 PM ET


    KENOSHA, Wisc. — “Oh $#@!, I gotta go!” Richie McGinniss hangs up on me.

    It’s not hard to spot the group of people clustered at a gas station. A car partially obscures the scene, but the bright lights of the boarded up business still highlight some members of the small crowd.

    I start jogging toward the station, phone in hand, ready to record. Richie, our director of video, told me earlier on that phone call that he was following a group of armed individuals at the time. I remembered them – their arrival near the courthouse, the fights that had broken out with them earlier in the evening, how one member of the group seemed too nervous to be handling a weapon.

    The scene there is chaotic – people yelling, shoving, making threats, then a crowd chasing a young man. Richie is already onsite and, as I’m heading to meet him, the moments leading up to the first shooting are already playing out. Richie sees the alleged shooter hurrying down the street, gun in one hand and fire extinguisher in the other, until he reaches a sort of corner in the parking lot of the gas station.

    Meanwhile, I’m moving more rapidly toward the chaos. The key moments caught on video begin to come into focus for me, although I’m not close enough to make out specific faces yet. There’s a loud bang. I stop immediately – I didn’t grow up around guns. It sounds like a gunshot. I’m just not sure.

    A few beats go by after the first shot – enough time for me to be able to get out my phone. As if on autopilot, I hit the record button.

    Bang, bang. Three more gunshots? Four? They sound slightly different from the first. People sprint in every direction, screaming and running away from that little gas station on the corner.

    “Were those gunshots?” I ask someone next to me.

    “Yeah. Yeah. That was gunshots.”

    Richie would later tell me that he saw what prompted the first shooting. A verbal fight escalated as the victim tried grabbing the alleged shooter’s rifle – twice. The second time, Richie told me, the victim came very close to getting his hand on the man’s gun, trying to grab it away from him. He may have actually made contact, but it’s unclear amid the mayhem. That’s when the shooter fired.

    “I see the shooter run away, and then I run in to provide medical aid,” Richie tells me. “What I didn’t realize until afterwards is that the shooter ran around the car and stood behind me. I screamed at him to call 911, not realizing he was the shooter. He runs away moments later after pulling out his phone.”

    We would find out later that the very first gunshot – the sound that appears to have prompted the shooter to turn around, that Richie recounted and that caused me to begin filming, was not from the man who has now been charged with first degree murder.

    It came from an unknown gunman who fired a single shot into the air, according to video footage reviewed by The New York Times.

    I’m on the ground, bullets flying, seeing the confrontation from farther away. Phone still in hand, I run across the street and toward where the gunfire erupted. At that moment, a swarm of people begin to move in my direction.

    “HE SHOT HIM! WHY’D YOU SHOOT HIM? WHY’D YOU SHOOT HIM?” people yell as a young man sprints past me, gun in hand. I freeze, recording the scene with my phone. I get a glimpse of his face as he passes by, turning back with his hands on his gun as he searches for those chasing him. He looks terrified … and young.

    I wasn’t scared until it registered that one of the victims could be Richie.

    After the armed individual and the mob following him passes, I turn my focus back on the gas station. It seemed like ages, but couldn’t have been more than a minute before I arrived under the flood lights of the gas station.

    Inching my way through, my only thought is about my co-worker (and friend): What if this is Richie? What will I do? What if it’s a fatal shot, and he’s dead? How do I tell his family?

    A man lies on the ground, bare-skinned and not moving. He has a red shirt wrapped around his head and as I get closer, there’s blood. Not a lot of blood. But a hole, right in his head. The red shirt has a hole in it, too, where the bullet must have ripped through.

    The person lying on the ground isn’t Richie. Relieved, I begin to look for him. A shirtless man next to me is yelling as he helps lift the victim. It’s Richie. I breathe. He’s fine. He’s helping.

    I follow the chaos as he and three others begin carrying the victim across the street. His hand is hanging down, completely limp, and his bloodied, t-shirt wrapped head is lopsided. I can’t tell if he’s alive, although moments earlier he was breathing.

    That breathing was not like anything I had ever heard. It was like while his body knew it had to breathe, but his brain was unable to process how to make it happen. He was sort of wheezing, just for a few moments as he battled. That stopped quickly.

    Screaming voices all round, and the disorder of the moment seems to make it harder for the guys to get the victim into a car sitting with its trunk open just across the street. Looking up, I notice a sign. We are right in front of a hospital – literally directly in front of it.

    That’s good, I think. We’re so close. He’ll be fine.

    There’s a lot of yelling and chaotic movement of human bodies. Everyone’s shouting instructions, there is a lot of crying and distraught faces, some people are angry. The victim is finally loaded into the car, sort of smushed into this medium-sized trunk. Richie gets in that trunk with him. The driver tries to move the car through the sea of shocked humanity, toward the hospital entrance (which couldn’t have been more than about 100 yards).

    The crowd surrounding the car won’t move. Richie bellows at a group of people behind the car to get out of the way, as the vehicle needs to back up in order to drive down the hospital driveway. I’m to the side of the car, just on the corner of the driveway, and I can’t believe that the crowd is inadvertently not allowing this car to pass.

    “This man needs every single second at the hospital he can get,” I think before yelling at someone to “MOVE!”

    The car, Richie and victim inside, finally manages to squeal away towards the hospital. I look around and begin to walk back towards where the first shooting happened. A car is engulfed in flames at the gas station.

    And then – four more gunshots.

    I can’t quite figure out where the gunshots are coming from. More keep coming. Is it all from the same shooter? I have no idea.

    I’ll later learn that protesters had continued chasing the alleged shooter I had seen running past me. Townhall’s Julio Rosas was on his way to the site of the first shooting when he saw the foot pursuit. According to Rosas, the guy with the rifle (the accused shooter) tripped and fell mid-chase. Video posted to Twitter would back up his account. The crowd shouted “Get his ass!”

    “Two people jumped onto him and there was a struggle over control of the rifle, but the guy was able to retain it after firing off multiple rounds and hitting the two attackers,” Rosas told me, adding that one man hit the alleged shooter over the head with a skateboard as he was on the ground. This man then tried to grab the gun, according to photos and video evidence.

    “Everyone else had cleared away from him and he got up and walked away.”

    As Julio is recording this second shooting, I follow a a small group through the parking lot across from the gas station and quickly squat down behind a car. Someone asks where the police are, a question I’m wondering as well. Behind me, firecrackers go off in the back yard of a small house. Everyone behind the car, including myself, jumps instinctively.

    “Are you $#@!ing kidding me?” Someone asks, gesturing towards the firecrackers.

    Sirens begin to wail and I see the familiar lights of cop cars coming down the road. Officers very quickly surround the scene and I emerge from behind the safety of the parked car. They work to shut down the streets. There are officers in front of the gas station, down the road – everywhere.

    Still, it took them several minutes to arrive, even though they were just down the street trying to disperse the crowd. It took six minutes, maybe, from the first shot fired for a single officer to arrive, by my estimation.

    My phone rings. It’s Richie. His voice is shaking, but I can tell he’s trying to act okay.

    “Hey,” he says.

    “You okay?” I ask. “You’re at the hospital?”

    Richie says he’s fine, but that he doesn’t have a shirt. He sounds nervous and upset, understandably so, and says he can’t walk back to the hotel without a shirt on because some guys were angry when he was helping the victim. He took a few punches while transporting the victim to the car, he tells me.

    “I don’t have a shirt. Can you get me one?” he asks, adding that I should meet him at the hospital and we can go home.

    The phone call ends. I text the third person in our Daily Caller squad, Jorge Ventura, to make sure he’s okay. Luckily, he tells me later that he had been heading back to the hotel when the shooting started, which means he was just fine.

    I meet up with Julio in front of the hospital, and we head towards the emergency entrance. Inside the hospital, Richie is talking to a police officer, but I am quickly told I have to wait outside. Julio and I sit on the sidewalk outside the ER’s entry.

    We wait. Midway through, one of the few other men waiting outside with us becomes distraught. He’s just learned that his friend, one of the victims, is being taken to surgery and might lose his arm. The man begins pacing, crying out and screaming. He tries to pump himself up enough to call his friend’s family.

    “Come on, man. You’ve gotta call them. You’ve gotta call his family. His friends. Come on, man,” he says out loud.

    The other man gets on the phone at some point and tells someone that he’s waiting outside of the hospital.

    “A white supremacist just shot a bunch of innocent protesters,” we hear him say.

    Julio and I look at each other with the same confused face. “What?” I think.

    Earlier in the night, the supposedly “white supremacist” shooter had been rendering aid to protesters injured by the crowd control munitions that police fired.

    The night before that, I spoke with three members of this crew that the shooter was a part of. They were protecting a local business and got into a heated argument with protesters who accused them of not being on their side.

    One person in the armed crew, which calls itself “The Libertarians,” explained that they were on the same side. Richie even spoke to the shooter right before the incident. He asked why he was armed and standing in front of a business.

    “So people are getting injured, and our job is to protect this business and part of my job is to also help people. If there’s somebody hurt, I’m running into harms way. That’s why I have my weapon, I need to protect myself, obviously,” he said.

    “But I also have my med kit.”





    Richie was on Tucker Carlson 8/26... 7 min. 22 sec. (Tucker Carlson founded The Daily Caller)




    A synced video, with scenes from the first shooting described in this story.

    Last edited by Mach; 08-29-2020 at 03:19 AM.
    If the stampman tells you to kiss his ass, shall he get away with it and live? Don't let your courage cool, or a few bullies scare you. We've nothing to fear but slavery. Love your liberty, and fight for it like men who know its value. Once lost it will never, never be regained.
    -Hugh Ledlie, 1774.

  23. #500
    That was a pretty good article.

    - ML

  24. #501
    Ugh. Why must you make me keep posting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    While the American revolution is interesting, it’s better to look at this in a contemporary context. What is happening right now is a Color Revolution in the US, pushed upon us by socialist globalists such as Soros and Hillary, with a whole lot of useful idiot Marxists to do the dirty work.
    Actually, it's a very apropos comparison. Who do you think is behind Soros and Hillary??? See my sig and tell me if you can identify who the two people other than the Clintons are: (also remembering that Donald appointed their right hand man to Commerce Sec and Soros invested in multiple Trump and Kushner real estate ventures)


    When you refer to Color Revolutions, who starts them? The CIA of course. The CIA does NOT work for the American people. They work for the people in that picture above.
    Last edited by devil21; 08-29-2020 at 12:03 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

  25. #502
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  26. #503


    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  27. #504
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post


    The gun he was using was not transported across state lines anyway. It was loaned to him by a friend in Wisconsin.



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  29. #505
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    The gun he was using was not transported across state lines anyway. It was loaned to him by a friend in Wisconsin.
    Yes, that has been explained since someone posted this but it's still a good collection of the facts and it points out that there would not have been an issue if he had brought his own gun.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  30. #506
    Hat Tip to @Ender

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Kyle Rittenhouse Was Working as a Lifeguard in Kenosha the Day of the Shooting, Went to Clean Vandalism at School After Work

    Kyle Rittenhouse is a community lifeguard who was working in Kenosha the day of the shooting.

    This simple fact destroys the narrative being peddled by the mainstream media that he had “crossed state lines” to harm the rioters.

    In a statement by Rittenhouse’s legal team at Pierce Bainbridge, provided to the Gateway Pundit, they explained that “after Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters.”

    Additionally, the weapon Rittenhouse was using to protect himself and others never crossed state lines.

    “Later in the day, they received information about a call for help from a local business owner, whose downtown Kenosha auto dealership was largely destroyed by mob violence,” the statement continues. “Business owner needed help to protect what he had left of his life’s work, including two nearby mechanic’s shops. Kyle and a friend armed themselves with rifles due to the deadly violence gripping Kenosha and many other American cities, and headed to the business premises. The weapons were in Wisconsin and never crossed state lines.”

    When Rittenhouse arrived at the mechanics shop, he and others stood guard to prevent further destruction. Later that night, long after the 8 p.m. curfew had passed, the police began to disperse a group of rioters. His lawyer, John M. Pierce, explains that while dispersing the mob, they maneuvered a mass of individuals down the street towards the auto shops. Rittenhouse and the others were threatened and taunted, but he did not react. “His intent was not to incite violence, but simply to deter property damage and use his training to provide first aid to injured community members,” Pierce says.

    After the situation seemed to be diffused, Rittenhouse became increasingly concerned about people who were injured at the gas station, so he went in that direction with his first aid kit. He helped those he could find who were injured, either by administering aid or directing them which way to go for help beyond what he could offer.

    The statement says that by the final time that Rittenhouse returned to the gas station and “confirmed there were no more injured individuals who needed assistance, police had advanced their formation and blocked what would have been his path back to the mechanic’s shop. Kyle then complied with the police instructions not to go back there. Kyle returned to the gas station until he learned of a need to help protect the second mechanic’s shop further down the street where property destruction was imminent with no police were nearby.”

    “As Kyle proceeded towards the second mechanic’s shop, he was accosted by multiple rioters who recognized that he had been attempting to protect a business the mob wanted to destroy. This outraged the rioters and created a mob now determined to hurt Kyle. They began chasing him down. Kyle attempted to get away, but he could not do so quickly enough. Upon the sound of a gunshot behind him, Kyle turned and was immediately faced with an attacker lunging towards him and reaching for his rifle. He reacted instantaneously and justifiably with his weapon to protect himself, firing and striking the attacker,” Pierce explains.

    Additionally, Rittenhouse stopped to ensure care for his attacker, hardly sounds like someone who had went to the riot with intent to kill.

    “Kyle stopped to ensure care for the wounded attacker but faced a growing mob gesturing towards him. He realized he needed to flee for his safety and his survival. Another attacker struck Kyle from behind as he fled down the street. Kyle turned as the mob pressed in on him and he fell to the ground,” his legal team says. “One attacker kicked Kyle on the ground while he was on the ground. Yet another bashed him over the head with a skateboard. Several rioters tried to disarm Kyle. In fear for his life and concerned the crowd would either continue to shoot at him or even use his own weapon against him, Kyle had no choice but to fire multiple rounds towards his immediate attackers, striking two, including one armed attacker. The rest of the mob began to disperse upon hearing the additional gunshots.”

    Rittenhouse then attempted to turn himself in, but was told to keep moving. He went and turned himself in to his local police that evening.

    “Kyle got up and continued down the street in the direction of police with his hands in the air. He attempted to contact multiple police officers, but they were more concerned with the wounded attackers. The police did not take Kyle into custody at that time, but instead they indicated he should keep moving,” the statement says. “He fully cooperated, both then and later that night when he turned himself in to the police in his hometown, Antioch, Illinois.”

    The legal team says that “in a reactionary rush to appease the divisive, destructive forces currently roiling this country, prosecutors in Kenosha did not engage in any meaningful analysis of the facts, or any in-depth review of available video footage (some of which shows that a critical state’s witness was not even at the area where the shots were fired); this was not a serious investigation. Rather, after learning Kyle may have had conservative political viewpoints, they immediately saw him as a convenient target who they could use as a scapegoat to distract from the Jacob Blake shooting and the government’s abject failure to ensure basic law and order to citizens. Within 24-36 hours, he was charged with multiple homicide counts.”

    Rittenhouse is now being represented by some of the best legal minds in the country at Pierce Bainbridge, with help from Nicholas Sandmann’s lawyer Lin Wood.

    On Friday, his legal team obtained a several-week continuance of his extradition hearing to September 25th. The lawyers say that this is an attempt to slow the rush to assassinate his character and destroy his life.

    “Kyle, his family, the team at Pierce Bainbridge and his other lawyers intend to fight these charges every step of the way, take the case to trial and win an acquittal on the grounds of self-defense before a jury of his peers,” the statement reads.

    The legal fees and other costs of Kyle’s defense will be provided through donations to #FightBack Foundation Inc., a Texas 501(c)(4) foundation created by John Pierce and Lin Wood to protect law- abiding American citizens whose rights are being trampled on by state and local governments that are more concerned with appeasing mobs than protecting those rights.

    “A 17-year old child should not have to take up arms in America to protect life and property. That is the job of state and local governments. However, those governments have failed, and law-abiding citizens have no choice but to protect their own communities as their forefathers did at Lexington and Concord in 1775,” Pierce said. “Kyle is not a racist or a white supremacist. He is a brave, patriotic, compassionate law-abiding American who loves his country and his community. He did nothing wrong. He defended himself, which is a fundamental right of all Americans given by God and protected by law. He is now in the crosshairs of institutional forces that are much more powerful than him. But he will stand up to them and fight not only for himself, but for all Americans and their beloved Constitution. We will never leave his side until he is victorious in that fight.”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...m-school-work/
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

  31. #507
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I would go IF ASKED by the owners of the property. That is a big distinction to me.
    They were asked to be there.

    See post 506

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6976532
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

  32. #508
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post


    I would add, he did not shoot skateboarder, watch frame by frame in high def, skateboarder grabs gun, I think he holds onto gun and tries to pull it as he goes through, the gun does not fire until Kyles arms are stretched out, Kyle didn't pull the trigger, skateboarder pulled the gun, Kyle just held onto his weapon.

    He didn't even shoot the attacker, the attacker was no longer a threat, the attacker shot himself, must have not had any kind of gun experience......... never pull a gun from somebody.
    Last edited by Mach; 08-29-2020 at 08:46 PM.
    If the stampman tells you to kiss his ass, shall he get away with it and live? Don't let your courage cool, or a few bullies scare you. We've nothing to fear but slavery. Love your liberty, and fight for it like men who know its value. Once lost it will never, never be regained.
    -Hugh Ledlie, 1774.

  33. #509
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I owe ya a rep.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

  34. #510
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, that has been explained since someone posted this but it's still a good collection of the facts and it points out that there would not have been an issue if he had brought his own gun.
    As noted in the posts...this kid is rock solid.

    If this young man is any indication of what's following Generation Snowflake, then we're not in nearly as bad a shape as I thought.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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