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"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Yep, that's the incrementalism at work, yet the GOP still hasn't picked up on it and praises Trump when he goes above and beyond everything Obama ever did and with nary a concern for what that incrementalism would mean once the pendulum inevitably swings back the other way.
Apparently not, since you keep calling it a tax cut, not a tax deferral. Using your example of a car payment, if your lender deferred your payments you would never say that the lender gave you a payment cut. That doesn't require spin or a dictionary. The difference is plainly obvious.
That makes sense for a lot of reasons. It's still interesting that such an action fell on that exact 8/8 day, since it was a Saturday and gov never does much of anything on the weekends. Makes me wonder what the long con is? Maybe tie tax forgiveness to vaccination....
Bingo. They've roped everyone into voluntarily serving as employees of their banking corporation under their 1871 Constitution instead of choosing to live under the founding 1789 Constitution. There are actually two Constitutions in effect right now. The original inherent rights version and the banker's corporate bylaws version.The US is still a British Crown colony, not by Constitution but in practice: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6950701
Last edited by devil21; 08-09-2020 at 02:57 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Reading the fall of the OP's position was hilarious. Looks like all Trump can do legally is defer the taxes. You don't HAVE to defer, you can still pay but he is offering a relief to people in that they don't have to pay RIGHT NOW. In the end they will owe it because that is all he can do.
TDS is way worse than Covid.
What? Only the Alinsky LARPing Trumpers get to create false click-bait thread titles? No one else? lol
The difference between me and the Alinsky LARPing Trumpers is I'm ok with admitting and correcting my mistakes, instead of doubling down on them to the point of ridiculousness like the LARPers do. I'm sure that's seen as some sort of weakness or fail by pathological liars, though.
Last edited by devil21; 08-09-2020 at 04:14 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
If it's up to the states why did he issue an executive order?
What about the ban on tiktok and the executive order on stopping evictions?
What happens when Biden gets elected and issues executive orders on slavery reparations, confiscating wealth, draconian regulations on businesses in the name of stopping covid? Will you be able to connect the dots?
Don't know if it's a big favor but EO had Big Fonts and he sgned with a Big Marker.
It's a "debt" that will need to be paid off after elections. If Progressive Socialism led GOP can take national debt tp $26.5 Trillion at warp speed, why can't taxpayers get in on some of the debt spend action.
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Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
What will look worse to the average voter, standing up to a constitutional issue, or trying to take away people's extra unemployment? Whomever was on Trump's team who thought of this was pretty devious, wonder how long they planned this or if it was spur of the moment.
Now offtopic :
That's the first time I've seen that conspiracy theory.
A quick search showed some strange coincidences
https://www.businessinsider.com/88-d...-hitler-2020-7
Trump's website has an $88 baseball
And then
88 and 2 (really 1) in ENDORSEMENTS this election cycle, and @foxNews
was critical. Has anyone ever done so well? I doubt it! Steve D. @foxandfriends
8:04 AM · Jul 15, 2020
“…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned
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He's more than welcome to buy my vote. He'd be the FIRST president that tried to help this middle-class white boy out. It's sure better than voting for someone that wants me to pay slave reparations.
Last edited by devil21; 08-10-2020 at 09:33 AM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Ron Paul at 24:12 in the Liberty Report:
"I want to talk a little bit about the budget debate going on right now. Another trillion dollars. Republicans, they'll be happy with a trillion, Democrats aren't happy. And it looks like things were going too slowly ... so Trump took care of that with an Executive Order. We'll just pass out this money, and then there is the big constitutional argument about "well, can he do that". Well, all presidents do that, and who paid any attention to the constitution? The Democrats are in a dilemma right now because they don't know what to do, "we have to hate what Trump did". But they are sort of trapped so they have to be against extending the benefits like Trump did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkxaGVQyfrA
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You still end up with millions of "delinquent" tax payers every year.
https://abc13.com/archive/6645858/
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Last edited by devil21; 08-11-2020 at 12:18 PM.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
If he can cut taxes by doing this, can he also raise them?
I don't know the answer to your question but it depends on if there's a statutory authority for the Executive to increase taxes in times of a "declared emergency" buried somewhere in the US Code. Trump's tax deferral derives from a statutory authority in US Code allowing the President to suspend and defer payroll tax for up to 12 months in times of a "declared emergency."
(.gov is under some sort of declared emergency 24/7/365 any way, but that's probably for another thread)
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
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An Agorist Primer ~ Samuel Edward Konkin III (free PDF download)
The End of All Evil ~ Jeremy Locke (free PDF download)
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
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