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Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11
The catch is that it is then up to the Governors to decide if they want to use the money received (whenever they actually receive it, no one seems to think about that part) to pay the additional unemployment payments or if they'd rather use it for something else, like bailing out their pension funds. This looks sort of like it could be a stealth bailout of the state budgets like Chuck and Nancy wanted, but on a smaller scale.
Sure, if holding people hostage for their vote over a completely fake emergency is cool with you.I can see tons of people getting behind this. Probably a decent amount of democrats. Maybe not the congress critter dems, but the voting dems
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
Chris
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"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
" I am directing up to $44 billion from the DRF at the statutorily mandated 75 percent Federal cost share be made available for lost wages assistance to eligible claimants, to supplement State expenditures in providing these payments."
That says go to those for lost wages
"To ensure that those affected by a loss in wages due to COVID-19 continue to receive supplemental benefits for weeks of unemployment ending no later than December 27, 2020,"
"if the Governor requests lost wages assistance and agrees to administer delivery and provide adequate oversight of the program, for a major disaster I declared"
The EO states lost wages over and over again
Uh, no, they don't. You are 100% wrong as usual.
It's like if you get a deferral on your car payments, and you still have to pay off the car, but you don't have to pay all your payments you missed when the deferral is up, you just have to make your monthly payments longer into the future.
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"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
No time to look into this, but let me guess:
"Trump trolls, people freak out."
Obviously he can't do any of this by executive order. But the Democrats are now in the position of opposing aid to common workers.
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The President has the authority to postpone the collection of the payroll tax under the Internal Revenue Code (specifically section 750 8A), but not the power to forgive those taxes. That authority has been given only to Congress. The Executive Order acknowledges as much, stating: The Secretary of the Treasury shall explore avenues, including legislation, to eliminate the obligation to pay the taxes deferred pursuant to the implementation of this memorandum.
He simply deferred them and then making you and me repay them unless Congress decides to forgive them.
From the actual Executive Order:
Exploring avenues does not mean forgiven.Sec. 4. Tax Forgiveness. The Secretary of the Treasury shall explore avenues, including legislation, to eliminate the obligation to pay the taxes deferred pursuant to the implementation of this memorandum.
If he is re-elected, he can only continue the deferment until Congress does something on forgiving them. If he loses, we will be writing a check to Uncle Sam come April 15th if the dollar is still around then.
SO YES, HE IS HOLDING MY TAX DOLLARS HOSTAGE FOR A VOTE.
I mean, are you surprised? The Presidency has been a source of unconstitutional power grabs since George Washington. And Trump is a leftist on economics and has a neocon view of the Constitution. If you are shocked by this you haven't paid attention. I knew this back in 2015.
Some say 88 refers to Heil Hitler (another British Intelligence agent)…
Because much of the order is vague, there isn’t much guaranteed…
http://archive.is/m1Y4uOne of the measures Trump signed on Saturday aims to provide $400 in weekly unemployment aid for millions of Americans. Trump said 25 percent of this money would be paid by states, many of which are already dealing with major budget shortfalls. The federal contribution would be redirected from disaster relief money at the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Those funds are not likely to last more than two months, and Trump would not say when the benefits would kick in.
(…)
Trump also signed an executive order stating that it was U.S. policy to minimize evictions and foreclosures. The order does not reinstate the federal eviction moratorium that expired last month or fund the billions in assistance Democrats have said is necessary to help people already behind on their rent.
Instead, the order calls on the Department of Health and Human Services and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to “consider” whether it was necessary to temporarily halt evictions. The Treasury Department and the Department of Housing and Urban Development “shall identify” federal funds to provide temporary assistance to renters and homeowners “who, as a result of the financial hardships caused by COVID-19, are struggling to meet their monthly rental or mortgage obligations,” the order says.
“The President cannot create new money with an executive order. These EOs simply show the limitations of the President’s legal authority,” said Jack Smalligan, a former official at the Office of Management and Budget and now a senior policy fellow at the Urban Institute, a centrist think tank.
The US is still a British Crown colony, not by Constitution but in practice: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6950701
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9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
Good on you for reading it and drawing your own conclusion. We need more of that overall. That's how productive discussions of policy happen instead of $#@! slinging over headlines. I should have waited to start this thread until after reading the EOs so I am guilty of it myself in this instance. Any way...
Having said that, there is no enforcement mechanism mentioned if any money asked for and accepted is not used for that purpose. It is quite possible that this becomes a stealth bailout of state UE funds for another couple of months, with most people asking in a month "Where's that extra $400 we were promised?" That's speculation but there's still people wondering where their $1200 checks are. The Dems wanted to send money directly to state budgets to prop up their sagging UE budgets. This could accomplish that for a short period of time.
Bigger picture: People still haven't figured out that any "benefit" offered by the feds and accepted by the people is actually a trap. There's no free lunch when it comes to gov and their banker handlers. No free lunches, always a catch (liability) in there somewhere.
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"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I have an economics degree, I know what deferral means, you are just wrong because you were using the wrong definition. You were implying that we would get a tax deferral until the end of the year, at which point you would receive a tax bill for the amount you saved, which is incorrect. Let's say Jane pays $500 in payroll taxes per month, that would save her $3,000 this year. Jane is not getting a $3,000 tax bill at the end of the year. In fact, if enough Jane's vote for Trump, she might get to keep the $500 per month indefinitely, or at least half. If it is re-instated, she will continue to pay the money toward those programs which is why the payments are considered deferred, it is because those programs are still in existence and paying out benefits. But she won't suddenly have a tax bill come to back pay the $3,000 in taxes she saved in 2020.
Last edited by dannno; 08-09-2020 at 01:45 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
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