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    Go...please.


    Democrats’ ‘War Game’ for Election Includes West Coast Secession, Possible Civil War

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-elect...-john-podesta/

    Joel B. Pollak 2 Aug 2020

    Democrats are contemplating secession and potential civil war as they game out possible scenarios for a closely contested election, according to a report by Ben Smith in a New York Times column Sunday.

    The bulk of Smith’s column is devoted to the question of how the media will handle Election Night coverage, given that the result may not be known for weeks. Vote-by-mail, which many states have only recently adopted — ostensibly, to prevent the spread of coronavirus in polling places — could lead to an uncertain result.

    However, buried near the end of Smith’s column is a report that Democrats have participated in a “war game” in which they considered several possible outcomes of the election.

    In one scenario, John Podesta — the former chair of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, and a leading figure in party circles — played former Vice President Joe Biden, and refused to concede the election.

    The result: the threat of secession by the entire West Coast, followed by the possible intervention of the U.S. armed forces:

    But conveniently, a group of former top government officials called the Transition Integrity Project actually gamed four possible scenarios, including one that doesn’t look that different from 2016: a big popular win for Mr. Biden, and a narrow electoral defeat, presumably reached after weeks of counting the votes in Pennsylvania. For their war game, they cast John Podesta, who was Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, in the role of Mr. Biden. They expected him, when the votes came in, to concede, just as Mrs. Clinton had.

    But Mr. Podesta, playing Mr. Biden, shocked the organizers by saying he felt his party wouldn’t let him concede. Alleging voter suppression, he persuaded the governors of Wisconsin and Michigan to send pro-Biden electors to the Electoral College.

    In that scenario, California, Oregon, and Washington then threatened to secede from the United States if Mr. Trump took office as planned. The House named Mr. Biden president; the Senate and White House stuck with Mr. Trump. At that point in the scenario, the nation stopped looking to the media for cues, and waited to see what the military would do.

    Notably, on Election Night in 2016, Podesta publicly refused to concede the election to President Donald Trump.
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    Please leave. We will not object to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Go...please.


    Democrats’ ‘War Game’ for Election Includes West Coast Secession, Possible Civil War

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-elect...-john-podesta/

    Joel B. Pollak 2 Aug 2020

    Democrats are contemplating secession and potential civil war as they game out possible scenarios for a closely contested election, according to a report by Ben Smith in a New York Times column Sunday.

    The bulk of Smith’s column is devoted to the question of how the media will handle Election Night coverage, given that the result may not be known for weeks. Vote-by-mail, which many states have only recently adopted — ostensibly, to prevent the spread of coronavirus in polling places — could lead to an uncertain result.

    However, buried near the end of Smith’s column is a report that Democrats have participated in a “war game” in which they considered several possible outcomes of the election.

    In one scenario, John Podesta — the former chair of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, and a leading figure in party circles — played former Vice President Joe Biden, and refused to concede the election.

    The result: the threat of secession by the entire West Coast, followed by the possible intervention of the U.S. armed forces:

    But conveniently, a group of former top government officials called the Transition Integrity Project actually gamed four possible scenarios, including one that doesn’t look that different from 2016: a big popular win for Mr. Biden, and a narrow electoral defeat, presumably reached after weeks of counting the votes in Pennsylvania. For their war game, they cast John Podesta, who was Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, in the role of Mr. Biden. They expected him, when the votes came in, to concede, just as Mrs. Clinton had.

    But Mr. Podesta, playing Mr. Biden, shocked the organizers by saying he felt his party wouldn’t let him concede. Alleging voter suppression, he persuaded the governors of Wisconsin and Michigan to send pro-Biden electors to the Electoral College.

    In that scenario, California, Oregon, and Washington then threatened to secede from the United States if Mr. Trump took office as planned. The House named Mr. Biden president; the Senate and White House stuck with Mr. Trump. At that point in the scenario, the nation stopped looking to the media for cues, and waited to see what the military would do.

    Notably, on Election Night in 2016, Podesta publicly refused to concede the election to President Donald Trump.
    Why would they go? they virtually run the country now and are about to win the presidency next year. They are staying for sure

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    West Coast Secession? the Secession well wasn't California always a liberal state with high taxes and people moving out of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    Why would they go? they virtually run the country now and are about to win the presidency next year. They are staying for sure
    Are you sure Trump will lose? Hillary lost four years ago. They have plans to switch Biden with Harris/Susan or warren as president this would be problary be a horrible outcome. Not even democratic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Are you sure Trump will lose? Hillary lost four years ago. They have plans to switch Biden with Harris/Susan or warren as president this would be problary be a horrible outcome. Not even democratic.
    Mail in ballots, no debates, coronavirus deal going, I bet they will get what they want come Nov 5. Heck, they are getting their way now. Even if they lose the election, they are still have the_donald by the balls.

    But for good measures, they will win in November.

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    Vote by mail will be 2020's "Hanging Chad."



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    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    Why would they go? they virtually run the country now

    Funny.

    The only exposure to their lunacy out here in the Ozarks is via plastic-box.

    There's no screaming-n-yelling, no burning buildings or any other nonsense the talking heads in the plastic-boxes keep on about.......And......I'm willing to bet it's exactly the same in every other rural area, you know 90+% of the country.

    These city-bound lunatics are all bark and no bite and the proof is in reality not some plastic-box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Vote by mail will be 2020's "Hanging Chad."
    ... "hanging chads" on steroids ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Go...please.
    ... and if not with our blessing, then at least with our heavy sigh of relief ...
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    Thumbs down D&R party of Progressive Libtards

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    West Coast Secession? the Secession well wasn't California always a liberal state with high taxes and people moving out of it?
    Well they elected liberals Ronald Reagan & Arnold Schwarzenegger governor, so yes there's a progressive libtard trend there as well as nationwide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    West Coast Secession? the Secession well wasn't California always a liberal state with high taxes and people moving out of it?
    The first people to move out are the leftists. Leaves the crusty gun loving right wing behind.

    You see, the naive, ignorant, pie in the sky left believes they can create paradise, and when their hair-brained ideas get implemented and they make things worse, they are the first to flee the disaster they created. And they move to other states to continue their insane cycle of delusion and incompetence.

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Funny.

    The only exposure to their lunacy out here in the Ozarks is via plastic-box.

    There's no screaming-n-yelling, no burning buildings or any other nonsense the talking heads in the plastic-boxes keep on about.......And......I'm willing to bet it's exactly the same in every other rural area, you know 90+% of the country.

    These city-bound lunatics are all bark and no bite and the proof is in reality not some plastic-box.
    California is a huge state. The crazed, woke left mostly resides in the crowded urban areas, which are a small part of the territory of California. The problem is they can outvote the sane people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The first people to move out are the leftists. Leaves the crusty gun loving right wing behind.

    You see, the naive, ignorant, pie in the sky left believes they can create paradise, and when their hair-brained ideas get implemented and they make things worse, they are the first to flee the disaster they created. And they move to other states to continue their insane cycle of delusion and incompetence.



    California is a huge state. The crazed, woke left mostly resides in the crowded urban areas, which are a small part of the territory of California. The problem is they can outvote the sane people.
    You just described every left leaning State in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The first people to move out are the leftists. Leaves the crusty gun loving right wing behind.
    Not always the case. I bailed on CA 25 years ago. My views on gun ownership scare the right wing around here (South Western Virginia) -- and not because I'm anti. I'd repeal every gun ownership/possession law if it were up to me.

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    I generally view this kind of thing as clickbait for one group of colored-hat-wearers or the other. However, one real benefit from a division of the states along party lines (which won't happen, but let's pretend) would be that neither party would then be able to blame all of the problems in this country on the other party. The virtual identity of the parties would become more obvious, with New California suffering more or less the same fate as New Texas, etc. Then again, I suppose they'd just come up with other scapegoats.
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