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    libertarian Conservative Ammon Bundy Defends BLack Lives Matter, Defunds the Police.

    Another supposed libertarian Conservative jumps in the BLM defends the BLM and supports Defunds the Police. Also supports open border for immigration.



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    He's a useful idiot.
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    If true, this is disappointing.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He's a useful idiot.
    Oh look, the old kettle is calling the shinny silverware black. The man makes a very nuanced explanation why he agrees with BLM's call to defund the police, all the while making sure to mention that it would be in an overall plan to reduce the size of govt. Also stating that the police as opposed to antifa would be the ones taking our liberties so defunding them is the right thing to do and you get the usual unthinking crowd who see the world in black and white, up or down, with or against us mentality coming out against him. Again, you don't have to agree with every thing every libertarian says but this idea that he is a pretend libertarian for supporting a call to defund the police is crazy.

    Btw, don't you guys make the excuse that you didn't have a chance to listen to the whole video. It is only 2 mins long and most of his point were laid out in a minute. The joke in on the OP for suggesting that he is a supposed libertarian. You guys wouldn't know what a libertarian is if it carried a NAP placard while dressed up in a black and yellow suit. Sadly, these are the sort of people who dominate this site, people just subservient enough to follow unwritten forum guidelines while pretending to be liberty minded. This happens while many of the real thinkers and OGs are banned. Yes I am salty because at this rate you "liberty" people will in no time inherit this forum.

    God help us all

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Another supposed libertarian Conservative jumps in the BLM defends the BLM and supports Defunds the Police. Also supports open border for immigration.


    This is him talking about immigration, here I disagree with him but I have to say that it is not unusual for libertarians to come out in favour of open borders. Its like abortion, you can be libertarian and still take either side of the argument.

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    RPF Statists are going to state. Good for Bundy if he supports defunding your beloved police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He's a useful idiot.
    This



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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    RPF Statists are going to state. Good for Bundy if he supports defunding your beloved police.
    Seattle moves to disband police department, replace it with “gender-affirming, anti-racist” Department of Community Safety

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    This should not be too surprising, he was of Trump school of thought if not mistaken:

    Donald Trump supports Black Lives Matter




    Why?
    Do you really think you're going to turn anyone against Trump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterx View Post
    Do you really think you're going to turn anyone against Trump?
    He & many other paid shills here (not going to name them) want Biden to be President.
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    Super Joe Biden is already draining the swamp?

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    Not surprising. He is neither libertarian nor conservative. He is a domestic terrorist who thinks laws don't apply to him just like BLM.

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    To be fair, he's had a pretty bad experience with the police.
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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    I mostly agree with what he said in the video. Most of us have been for scaling back on the police. My only beef is that the organizations of Antifa and BLM are openly against anyone not left of Mao. I will not work with them as long as they see me as an enemy.

    But yeah, what Bundy said would not have been disputed on this forum pre2016.

    (Although, I did not see what he said about immigration in that video.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterx View Post
    Do you really think you're going to turn anyone against Trump?
    BLM is a Marxist group, Trump supports BLM. This means ......... fill in the dots.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Not surprising. He is neither libertarian nor conservative. He is a domestic terrorist who thinks laws don't apply to him just like BLM.
    Pretty sure he thinks the Constitution applies to him, and that it supersedes the unconstitutional laws that they were trying to enforce against him.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    BLM is a Marxist group, Trump supports BLM. This means ......... fill in the dots.
    Trump supports black lives and peaceful protests, he does not support the organization BLM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I mostly agree with what he said in the video. Most of us have been for scaling back on the police. My only beef is that the organizations of Antifa and BLM are openly against anyone not left of Mao. I will not work with them as long as they see me as an enemy.

    But yeah, what Bundy said would not have been disputed on this forum pre2016.

    (Although, I did not see what he said about immigration in that video.)
    This I agree with, I know there are different groups marching under the BLM banner but people should be very careful associating themselves with the BLM because the group will turn around and backstab you once the common goals are met. One thing I have learned during the Trump admin is this, just because you have the same common enemies and goals doesn't necessarily mean you should make an alliance with them.

    Hopefully he knows what he is doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump supports black lives and peaceful protests, he does not support the organization BLM.
    Yup, isn't that what they all say? I know that I support BLM, ALM, WLM sentiment but never the movement. I have no reason to believe Trump supports the marxist but who really knows these days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I mostly agree with what he said in the video. Most of us have been for scaling back on the police. My only beef is that the organizations of Antifa and BLM are openly against anyone not left of Mao. I will not work with them as long as they see me as an enemy.

    But yeah, what Bundy said would not have been disputed on this forum pre2016.

    (Although, I did not see what he said about immigration in that video.)
    I think the Bundy family had a lot of support when they stood up to the feds in Nevada, because it was seen as largely defensive in nature (they were seizing livestock that had been allowed to free-graze for a century), but he kind of blew all that public support with that weird Oregon wildlife refuge takeover thing, which was seen as something of a 'WTF'. I know I quit following them because they started acting like fools. No one in Oregon seemed to want them there. Unhappy with their victory in Nevada they wanted to keep pushing until they lost public support.

    (lesson to be learned because that's pretty much what happened to BLM., lose public support and unless the CIA is backing you, you're done.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    RPF Statists are going to state. Good for Bundy if he supports defunding your beloved police.
    WHAT? I'd much rather have LOCAL police, than federal police, or worse. Yes, they need to be demilitarized, etc. But, I darn sure still want local police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump supports black lives and peaceful protests, he does not support the organization BLM.
    Nor does he support the rioting. Democrats have being quiet on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    BLM is a Marxist group, Trump supports BLM. This means ......... fill in the dots.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump supports black lives and peaceful protests, he does not support the organization BLM.
    Exactly the same thing applies to Jo Jorgensen - but when she does it, she's denounced as being some kind of crypto-commie ...

    (Free hint: She's not a commie. She's pandering - just like Trump. It's disgusting and contemptible, but for electoral politics, it's par for course ...)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Exactly the same thing applies to Jo Jorgensen - but when she does it, she's denounced as being some kind of crypto-commie ...

    (Free hint: She's not a commie. She's pandering - just like Trump. It's disgusting and contemptible, but for electoral politics, it's par for course ...)

    Brother, you're not getting it. Such nuance is only recognized when their Cheeto Messiah is the victim of these kinds of unwarranted accusations. In any other case the ability to perceive such nuance immediately evaporates. Such is the religion of Trumpism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    WHAT? I'd much rather have LOCAL police, than federal police, or worse. Yes, they need to be demilitarized, etc. But, I darn sure still want local police.
    Police are bureaucrats with weapons. All that is needed is an Sheriff and an armed citizenry deputized to maintain order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I think the Bundy family had a lot of support when they stood up to the feds in Nevada, because it was seen as largely defensive in nature (they were seizing livestock that had been allowed to free-graze for a century), but he kind of blew all that public support with that weird Oregon wildlife refuge takeover thing, which was seen as something of a 'WTF'. I know I quit following them because they started acting like fools. No one in Oregon seemed to want them there. Unhappy with their victory in Nevada they wanted to keep pushing until they lost public support.

    (lesson to be learned because that's pretty much what happened to BLM., lose public support and unless the CIA is backing you, you're done.)
    He was right about the Oregon stand-off too, that family was being harassed by the feds, it was just as egregious as the Bundy Ranch scenario and plenty of people who live out there were thankful that they did it. The media made it look like people didn't want them there, but they were misinformed as to what was going on with the family that lived there.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    Oh look, the old kettle is calling the shinny silverware black. The man makes a very nuanced explanation why he agrees with BLM's call to defund the police, all the while making sure to mention that it would be in an overall plan to reduce the size of govt. Also stating that the police as opposed to antifa would be the ones taking our liberties so defunding them is the right thing to do and you get the usual unthinking crowd who see the world in black and white, up or down, with or against us mentality coming out against him. Again, you don't have to agree with every thing every libertarian says but this idea that he is a pretend libertarian for supporting a call to defund the police is crazy.

    Btw, don't you guys make the excuse that you didn't have a chance to listen to the whole video. It is only 2 mins long and most of his point were laid out in a minute. The joke in on the OP for suggesting that he is a supposed libertarian. You guys wouldn't know what a libertarian is if it carried a NAP placard while dressed up in a black and yellow suit. Sadly, these are the sort of people who dominate this site, people just subservient enough to follow unwritten forum guidelines while pretending to be liberty minded. This happens while many of the real thinkers and OGs are banned. Yes I am salty because at this rate you "liberty" people will in no time inherit this forum.
    Whoa, whoa, let's not get crazy.

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    That's all the nuance we can handle these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    WHAT? I'd much rather have LOCAL police, than federal police, or worse. Yes, they need to be demilitarized, etc. But, I darn sure still want local police.
    Then you and your neighbours should band together to hire a private security firm in a free market of competing companies. No competing business will allow the nonsense and abuse we see with the police monopolies. If the firm you hire fails to protect your private property then you hire another or hold them liable for ignoring your contract. A company is not going allow abusive police and risk their business to lawsuits. All our current problems solved with this solution.

    Some others like to have a choice and not hire a firm to protect their property and their life. They would be free to defend themselves.

    This is what a free society is like but it seems many here are continually moving further and further away from free market solutions in favour of keeping statist monopolies with horrendous records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Police are bureaucrats with weapons. All that is needed is an Sheriff and an armed citizenry deputized to maintain order.
    I used to think this way about leaving it to elected Sheriff's. Certainly a step better but the problems still exist. For example I am under the jurisdiction of Sheriff, Town Police and State Police. The Sheriff and the State Police are covering for police criminals in two towns since they see themselves as part of the same blue family or should I say part of the same cult.

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