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    It is TIME to be FREE! Starve the State!

    What ways can you think of, or do, to Starve the State?

    Each day that you get out of bed, think to yourself:

    "How can I circumvent the state?".

    "What can I say or do to set an example for others to follow?"

    Live Free!
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    One of the very best things you can do is to simply stand up PUBLICLY and defy their edicts, or policies if it's a multi-national corporation like WalMarx. I GUARANTEE you that there are more people around you, often MANY more who feel the same way you do but are just too afraid to be the first one to stand up.

    One thing that definitely doesn't work is protesting or petitioning public officials (unless you do it like Murdoch Pizgatti does http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-Closure-Order). It amounts to begging permission and they just don't care. Monday night our city council here passed a mask mandate. Of the people who got up and spoke at the meeting before the vote, well over 60% were adamantly opposed and let them know that in no uncertain terms. Naturally, they ignored the majority of their constituents and passed it anyway.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Defy, Oppose, Reject, Resist, Disregard,



    Disobey, Defeat, Disempower, Ignore, Derail.....
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    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again

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    Best way to starve the state would be to not give into any of their demands.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    What ways can you think of, or do, to Starve the State?

    Each day that you get out of bed, think to yourself:

    "How can I circumvent the state?".

    "What can I say or do to set an example for others to follow?"

    Live Free!
    Ya , been doing it at least the past six decades

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    This belongs here.

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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    "He only earns his freedom and his life who takes them every day by storm." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    This belongs here.


    I'd +rep you if I could.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Best way to starve the state would be to not give into any of their demands.

    ^^^^This^^^^

    Resist and defy. Loudly and publicly.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I'd +rep you if I could.
    Covered.


    Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)

    • "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law." - The Law (p. 54)
    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
      - Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)
    • "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
      - Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Covered.

    Thanks.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    One of the very best things you can do is to simply stand up PUBLICLY and defy their edicts, or policies if it's a multi-national corporation like WalMarx.

    Not sure why you would call it WalMarx. Wal-Mart is probably the single best example of the free enterprise system working. I marvel at how efficient and innovative they are. Headed to go there right now to get some groceries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Not sure why you would call it WalMarx. Wal-Mart is probably the single best example of the free enterprise system working. I marvel at how efficient and innovative they are. Headed to go there right now to get some groceries.
    ya, I have no problem with slaves making my cheap consumer products. Hell, I might need and organ transplant someday. I want to save money on that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    ya, I have no problem with slaves making my cheap consumer products. Hell, I might need and organ transplant someday. I want to save money on that too.
    I hope I don't need an organ transplant but I agree. People should be able to buy and sell organs. If you live a subsistence life in India or Cambodia, selling organs to US citizens is good for the US citizen and good for the Cambodian. Trade is win-win.

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    Walmart does have a complete grasp on 2 things , one of those being worst customer service , ever . Only peasants and the mentally infirm go there .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I hope I don't need an organ transplant but I agree. People should be able to buy and sell organs. If you live a subsistence life in India or Cambodia, selling organs to US citizens is good for the US citizen and good for the Cambodian. Trade is win-win.
    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I hope I don't need an organ transplant but I agree. People should be able to buy and sell organs. If you live a subsistence life in India or Cambodia, selling organs to US citizens is good for the US citizen and good for the Cambodian. Trade is win-win.
    Which do you prefer? Falun Gong prisoners or Uighur prisoners?
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    The Federalist Papers, No. 15:

    Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

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    The ONLY solution that would work is for everyone to stop paying taxes, mandatory insurance, fees, fines and licensure. I paid taxes and ssi all my life. I thought about not paying taxes a lot of times and I probably could have gotten away with it. I would have had more money in my own pocket. I do feel like the main reason I complied and still comply with paying taxes ect is to keep the state off my back. Is that bribery or blackmail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Live Free!
    I do attempt to do so..

    4 felonies in a three strike world,, and a world circling the drain.

    "If anyone is destined for captivity, into captivity he will go; if anyone is to die by the sword, by the sword he must be killed." Here is a call for the perseverance and faith of the saints.
    I have an Idea of what is coming.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Not sure why you would call it WalMarx. Wal-Mart is probably the single best example of the free enterprise system working
    "Walmart receives an estimated $6.2 billion annually in mostly federal taxpayer subsidies,"

    Corporate Business works hand in Glove.. Both pushing the propaganda and profiting from it.

    ever notice that ALL Walmart's are Dual Purpose Buildings.??

    Walmart is a NGO that is Cooperative with current agendas.

    and yes I live with Walmart Employees.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    "Walmart receives an estimated $6.2 billion annually in mostly federal taxpayer subsidies,"

    Yeah. They don't. That is a completely made up number used by Communist propagandists.Not even a kernel of truth in it. Disgraceful. https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...attack-walmar/

    It is a number put out by a group called Americans for Tax Fairness to demonize Wal-Mart because they have employees who get Medicaid and food stamps. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/walmart-g...es-study#51652

    Wal-Mart is free enterprise at its finest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Yeah. They don't.
    from a couple years back.
    https://notonepenny.org/new-walmart-...-gop-tax-bill/

    Washington, D.C. — Today, Walmart released its quarterly earnings report which showed Walmart’s tax rate dropped from 33% in Q1 of 2017 to 19% in Q1 of 2018. As a result of the TrumpTax, the drop in tax rate gave Walmart an additional $373 million in tax breaks.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ho...ers-2018-11-06

    Corporations are State Created.. State control of Production..

    The idea should have never been Legalized.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    from a couple years back.
    https://notonepenny.org/new-walmart-...-gop-tax-bill/



    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ho...ers-2018-11-06

    Corporations are State Created.. State control of Production..

    The idea should have never been Legalized.
    Not really sure how to respond. You keep posting data from Marxist front groups. This is Ron Paul Forums. Corporate tax cuts aren't giveaways. A corporate tax probably doesn't even make sense because of how inefficient it is. And of course, corporations should exist. As Mitt Romney would say, corporations are people my friend.


    Corporations don't pay taxes. People do. If you lower the corporate tax rate one of only three things can happen. They pay workers more which is taxable. They pay a dividend which is taxable. The lower the price of their product which is an income increase for the consumer and will likely be spent else where which will be someone else's income which is taxable.

    I guess start by reading Economics in One Lesson.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 07-24-2020 at 05:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Not really sure how to respond. You keep posting data from Marxist front groups. This is Ron Paul Forums. Corporate tax cuts aren't giveaways. A corporate tax probably doesn't even make sense because of how inefficient it is. And of course, corporations should exist. As Mitt Romney would say, corporations are people my friend.


    Corporations don't pay taxes. People do. If you lower the corporate tax rate one of only three things can happen. They pay workers more which is taxable. They pay a dividend which is taxable. The lower the price of their product which is an income increase for the consumer and will likely be spent else where which will be someone else's income which is taxable.

    I guess start by reading Economics in One Lesson.

    Returning the favor, I will let @devil21 handle this little gem.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Yeah. They don't. That is a completely made up number used by Communist propagandists.Not even a kernel of truth in it. Disgraceful. https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...attack-walmar/

    It is a number put out by a group called Americans for Tax Fairness to demonize Wal-Mart because they have employees who get Medicaid and food stamps. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/walmart-g...es-study#51652

    Wal-Mart is free enterprise at its finest.
    Weird info there, since Walmart is one of the bond sellers that the Fed is now currently (officially) monetizing under the Corporate Bond SPV. Isn't that SPV backed by Treasury ESF funds that the Fed is now fractionalizing to buy corporate bonds with? Walmart is now officially and publicly state-owned.
    Additionally, any business "registered" with a state Secretary of State becomes property of that state under the state's trust. The state corporation becomes trustee of the business, thus title holder of the business. pcosmar is correct. Rushing to label such truth with buzzwords about conspiracy and Communist propaganda is a sure sign of deflection. The irony is that Communism is the means of production centralized under the government. It already is!

    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Not really sure how to respond. You keep posting data from Marxist front groups. This is Ron Paul Forums. Corporate tax cuts aren't giveaways. A corporate tax probably doesn't even make sense because of how inefficient it is. And of course, corporations should exist. As Mitt Romney would say, corporations are people my friend.


    Corporations don't pay taxes. People do. If you lower the corporate tax rate one of only three things can happen. They pay workers more which is taxable. They pay a dividend which is taxable. The lower the price of their product which is an income increase for the consumer and will likely be spent else where which will be someone else's income which is taxable.

    I guess start by reading Economics in One Lesson.
    Corporations are "persons" under legal terminology. Romney was lambasted for his statement but legally he was right. A "person" is a corporate entity, it is not a living flesh and blood man or woman. Hence why police refer to finding something illegal (drug, gun, etc) "on your person", which leads to an arrest. Strange choice of language there, eh? It's because the "person" is the ALL CAPS NAME corporate entity (yet another trust) that you labor for and is identified on the identification card that you handed to the cop when he approached you and asked for it or pulled out of your wallet/purse as part of a search. Think of the "person" as the ice cream shop on the corner with the signage that says "Haagen Daaz". Haagen Daaz is the name on the identification card. That is the "person". You, the living flesh, are the human in the uniform running around inside scooping ice cream.
    Last edited by devil21; 07-24-2020 at 08:57 PM.
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    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Not really sure how to respond..
    Like the Union Socialist that you are..

    Corporatism is Americanized Socialism..
    Corporations are State Control of the means of Production.. a basic Socialist plank.

    Corporations were once Illegal and considered Immoral.. until that $hit was Legalized.

    The socialist Coup of 1913 solidified Socialism in this Country..

    And Walmart was one of the few Corporations allowed to continue operations through this Government/Media Created Panic

    At the expense of many businesses that will never recover.
    Independents are once again being run out.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Weird info there, since Walmart is one of the bond sellers that the Fed is now currently (officially) monetizing under the Corporate Bond SPV. Isn't that SPV backed by Treasury ESF funds that the Fed is now fractionalizing to buy corporate bonds with? Walmart is now officially and publicly state-owned.
    Additionally, any business "registered" with a state Secretary of State becomes property of that state under the state's trust. The state corporation becomes trustee of the business, thus title holder of the business. pcosmar is correct. Rushing to label such truth with buzzwords about conspiracy and Communist propaganda is a sure sign of deflection. m.
    Bondholders don't own a company. Equity holders do. .

    The number he cited was false. I addressed the point directly and then called the groups he cited as Communist, which they are.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 07-25-2020 at 08:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Corporations are State Control of the means of Production.. a basic Socialist plank.
    Okay.


  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Independents are once again being run out.
    Just like the Independent Oil Producers Prior to the 1970s "Embargo".
    for any that remember that $hit.

    anyone know any Independent Oil Producers Today?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post

    Wal-Mart is free enterprise at its finest.
    Bull$#@!.

    Shakedown Street IS.





    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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