Trump - More white people killed by cops than blacks

[Anti Federalist]

I said rate not total

Blacks 13% of population.
Whites 61% of population

Multiply total blacks shot by 4 and compare to total whites shot. See what numbers you get.

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” Moskos said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”

[jmdrake]

Blacks are killed at 2.5 times the rate as whites by police, which matches closely to the murder rate by blacks. And that gap is almost certainly larger in reality because in places like Detroit 90% if murders go unsolved.

In nearly every killing that gets publicized (with a couple exceptions) the black person killed was a violent person. Michael Brown had just robbed a store. That guy in Atlanta was just out of prison. George Floyd was a career violent criminal. Look at Rodney King. His life was one arrest after another.

The overwhelming majority of black people are good people. But a hugely disproportionate number are criminals so it makes sense police would be put in a threatening position where they would have to use force which in turn would result in more times that force might be questionable.

I said rate not total

Blacks 13% of population.
Whites 61% of population

Multiply total blacks shot by 4 and compare to total whites shot. See what numbers you get.

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” Moskos said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”

I litterally believed that blacks were killed at a higher rate....until I saw Black Lives Matter proponent and university professor Marc Lamont Hill admit that wasn't true to Candace Owens. There's no reason whatsoever for Marc to lie and say "blacks aren't killed at a higher rate." And he's not stupid. (Again, he's a university professor).

That said, the answer to crime and police brutality is staring us right in the face and it's in the part of the 2nd amendment most people ignore. "A well regulated militia." I'm not talking about people training in the woods to fight the government in case of the apocalypse. I'm talking about people who actually care about their neighbors more than their own lives and seek to de-escalate potentially violent situations but are prepared to use violence if they must. I'm talking about this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...er-is-On-Point

[Anti Federalist]

Black People Do Not Suffer Disproportionately From Police Brutality

https://www.justfactsdaily.com/black...rce=whatfinger

By James D. Agresti
July 15, 2020

A recent New York Times article by Jeremy W. Peters claims it is a “fact” “that black people suffer disproportionately from police brutality.” He also asserts that President Trump’s rejection of this accusation is “racially inflammatory” and “racially divisive.” To the contrary, comprehensive facts show that this allegation against police is false. Furthermore, this deception has stoked racial divides and driven people to despise and even murder police officers.

In an interview with CBS News that is slated to air in full tonight, reporter Catherine Herridge asked Trump, “Why are African-Americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country?” He responded that this is a “terrible question” and that “more white people” are killed by police than black people.

CBS News, the New York Times, and many other media outlets are criticizing Trump’s response because blacks are a much smaller portion of the U.S. population than whites. Thus, the odds of being killed by police are higher for each black person than each white person. This frequent argument is highly misleading because it omits facts that are vital to this issue. As detailed in a 2018 paper in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science:

“The most common means of testing for racial disparity in police use of deadly force is to compare the odds of being fatally shot for blacks to the odds of being fatally shot for whites.”
That logic is flawed because it relies upon the false assumption that white and black people commit life-threatening crimes at the same rates.
The rational way to analyze this issue is to compare the odds of being fatally shot to each race’s “involvement in those situations where the police may be more likely to use deadly force.”
Based on four different national datasets on “murder/nonnegligent manslaughter, violent crime, and weapons violations,” “in nearly every case, whites were either more likely to be fatally shot by police or police showed no significant disparity in either direction.”

The facts about murder and police killings underscore this reality. Black people represent about 13% of the U.S. population, at least 53% of murder offenders, and roughly 33% of people killed by police.

The Supreme Court’s 1895 (sic - this is a typo - the ruling was in 1985 - AF) ruling in Tennessee v. Garner forbids police from using lethal force except in situations where there is a genuine risk of “death or serious physical injury.” In 2015, the Washington Post found that over the prior decade an average of about five police officers per year were indicted for violating this standard, and only one per year was convicted.

Likewise, a study conducted by the left-leaning Center for Policing Equity reveals that police are 42% less likely to use lethal force when arresting black people than when arresting whites. Yet, the authors of this study buried that data on the 19th page of a 29-page report and wrote an overview that gives the opposing impression.

Taken together, the facts above disprove the claim that “black people suffer disproportionately from police brutality.” Yet, media outlets routinely ignore these facts or report them in isolation so that their implications are obscured. Meanwhile, they widely spread the counterfactual message that has inspired racial strife, hatred of the police, and slayings of officers. For example:

Before Ismaaiyl Brinsley murdered New York City policemen Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu in 2014, he posted on Instagram: “I’m Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours….. Let’s Take 2 of Theirs #ShootThePolice, #RIPErivGardner and # This may be my final post.”
During a 2016 Black Lives Matter protest in Dallas, TX in which the crowd chanted “Hands up, don’t shoot,” Micah Johnson killed five police officers. During standoff negotiations, he said he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers. All of the policemen he murdered were white.
Ten days later, Gavin Eugene Long shot six Baton Rouge, Louisiana police officers, killing three of them. His suicide note stated: “I must bring the same destruction that bad cops continue to inflict upon my people,” meaning people of color.

Beyond this, the Times and other media outlets that propagate those racially provocative falsehoods are accusing people who challenge them of stirring racial hostilities.

There are more than 800,000 sworn law enforcement officers in the U.S., and they commit roughly one murder per year. This amounts to an annual murder rate of 0.13 per 100,000—or about 38 times lower than the general U.S. murder rate of 5.0 per 100,000. Police are vetted for criminality, and thus, they should be much less likely to commit murder than the average person. However, police are also faced with life-threatening situations more often than the general public, and this opens doors for violent tendencies to emerge.

Regardless, it is irrational to accuse police or any other group of people of brutality or systemic racism based on the actions of an infinitesimal portion of them. Yet, the media and activists repeatedly do this, even though it is a hallmark tactic of racists and demagogues.

[pcosmar]

I said rate not total

Blacks 13% of population.
Whites 61% of population

Multiply total blacks shot by 4 and compare to total whites shot. See what numbers you get.

I don't play funny math to justify Murder..

More "White" people have been Killed by police than "Black" People. Period.

And NONE should be.

Perhaps you are Phucking Missing that Point.

They should not kill unarmed children,, They should not Kill unarmed adults.

They should not kill dogs.

The Police are a Problem. not Race.

[Krugminator2]

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” Moskos said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”

The article you linked two posts below agrees with what I said.

"Black people represent about 13% of the U.S. population, at least 53% of murder offenders, and roughly 33% of people killed by police."

So killed at 2.5x the rate of whites.

I litterally believed that blacks were killed at a higher rate....until I saw Black Lives Matter proponent and university professor Marc Lamont Hill admit that wasn't true to Candace Owens. There's no reason whatsoever for Marc to lie and say "blacks aren't killed at a higher rate." And he's not stupid. (Again, he's a university professor).

There is no debate that blacks are killed at a higher rate.

What they are talking about is the rate when controlled for the the type of encounter, which is what I said in my post.

[nikcers]

I don't play funny math to justify Murder..

More "White" people have been Killed by police than "Black" People. Period.

And NONE should be.

Perhaps you are Phucking Missing that Point.

They should not kill unarmed children,, They should not Kill unarmed adults.

They should not kill dogs.

The Police are a Problem. not Race.

This is the only thing we should be talking about. Everything else is divide and conquer.

[Krugminator2]

I don't play funny math to justify Murder..

More "White" people have been Killed by police than "Black" People. Period.

And NONE should be.

Perhaps you are Phucking Missing that Point.

They should not kill unarmed children,, They should not Kill unarmed adults.

They should not kill dogs.

The Police are a Problem. not Race.

Umm... Okay.

[jmdrake]

I don't play funny math to justify Murder..

More "White" people have been Killed by police than "Black" People. Period.

And NONE should be.

Perhaps you are Phucking Missing that Point.

They should not kill unarmed children,, They should not Kill unarmed adults.

They should not kill dogs.

The Police are a Problem. not Race.

You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.

The article you linked two posts below agrees with what I said.

"Black people represent about 13% of the U.S. population, at least 53% of murder offenders, and roughly 33% of people killed by police."

So killed at 2.5x the rate of whites.





There is no debate that blacks are killed at a higher rate.

What they are talking about is the rate when controlled for the the type of encounter, which is what I said in my post.

The statistic that nobody can get a handle on is how many unjustified killings of blacks ate there compared to whites. How many George Floyds and Eric Garners are there as compared to the Kelly Thomases and Tommy Timpas of the world? How many times, when people blindly look at the facts and don't know the race of the person involved, do they say "There's no way in hell that suspect should have died" is the victim white versus black? You have the recent case of the suspect who was killed after shooting at police with a handgun that make a mockery over concerns about police brutality. (If I'm shooting at police, I should expect to die. Period). And....I don't know the answer to that question. I don't think anybody has looked into that question. Anecdotally we look at white mass shooters who are taken to McDonald's before being taken into custody versus the Tamir RIce's of the world that just had BB guns. But then you get the Daniel Shaver's (white) of the world, shot over a pellet gun after begging the police "Don't shoot me."

Of course the real problem is....we get distracted from addressing the real problem. We all spend more time arguing over who's treated worse than looking into proven solutions. Like this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...er-is-On-Point