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    Supreme Court Rules Large Swath of Oklahoma Is Indian Reservation

    I hope libertarians get on the right side of this.

    If America is to be a nation of laws, property rights, and contracts then this has to extend to natives, and the treaties must be upheld.

    I don't care if it creates turmoil. Ending the FED would create turmoil too.

    How many people here think taxation is theft but expropriating land isn't?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/u...ek-nation.html
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    sure!

    now who do i pay tribute to so im not murdered in my sleep?

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    sure!

    now who do i pay tribute to so im not murdered in my sleep?
    Wouldn't the democrats accuse you of being racist for saying such a thing agaisnt the peaceful natives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Wouldn't the democrats accuse you of being racist for saying such a thing agaisnt the peaceful natives?
    According to them, most everybody but them is racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    sure!

    now who do i pay tribute to so im not murdered in my sleep?
    Ideally it would be a new state under Creek nation. Such a clean solution is unlikely to be built though. Also most of your tribute still goes to the Feds.

    New Zealand has been going through this process since 1975 when our Supreme court upheld the Treaty of Waitangi. Its been an okay process for the most part. Who knew laws and markets could process turmoil so easily without a central plan outlining how each person will be safe in their beds?
    In New Zealand:
    The Coastguard is a Charity
    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
    The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't even a thing nor are capital gains taxes
    Constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care

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    So instead of traveling far and buying federal tax free smokes up in NY for $12/carton, I can go elsewhere?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Federal jurisdiction grab so they can hand the land over to drilling corporations without state government interference.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN13U1B1

    Now, a group of advisors to President-elect Donald Trump on Native American issues wants to free those resources from what they call a suffocating federal bureaucracy that holds title to 56 million acres of tribal lands, two chairmen of the coalition told Reuters in exclusive interviews.

    The group proposes to put those lands into private ownership - a politically explosive idea that could upend more than century of policy designed to preserve Indian tribes on U.S.-owned reservations, which are governed by tribal leaders as sovereign nations.

    Well, I guess @Swordsmyth was right about a few of the things that Trump promised during the campaign actually being fulfilled. Oil billionaires gaining control of more resources. Since we'll all be driving around in electric automated Teslas soon enough, that oil will head to other parts of the world and be used for Indian and Chinese development. Need big pipelines and global trade agreements like USMCA to pull that off. Is the picture of where this is heading becoming clear enough for most yet? Americans shoe-horned into highly controlled mega cities while the remainder of the land mass is used to aid the development of the rest of world. Enjoy the Teslas and plant burgers, folks.
    Last edited by devil21; 07-09-2020 at 06:58 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Federal jurisdiction grab so they can hand the land over to drilling corporations without state government interference.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN13U1B1




    Well, I guess @Swordsmyth was right about a few of the things that Trump promised during the campaign actually being fulfilled. Oil billionaires gaining control of more resources. Since we'll all be driving around in electric automated Teslas soon enough, that oil will head to other parts of the world and be used for Indian and Chinese development. Need big pipelines and global trade agreements like USMCA to pull that off. Is the picture of where this is heading becoming clear enough for most yet?
    The commie wants government to lock up all the land and keep the market from utilizing resources.


    Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Federal jurisdiction grab so they can hand the land over to drilling corporations without state government interference.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN13U1B1




    Well, I guess @Swordsmyth was right about a few of the things that Trump promised during the campaign actually being fulfilled. Oil billionaires gaining control of more resources. Since we'll all be driving around in electric automated Teslas soon enough, that oil will head to other parts of the world and be used for Indian and Chinese development. Need big pipelines and global trade agreements like USMCA to pull that off. Is the picture of where this is heading becoming clear enough for most yet? Americans shoe-horned into highly controlled mega cities while the remainder of the land mass is used to aid the development of the rest of world. Enjoy the Teslas and plant burgers, folks.
    That makes better sense now. Thanks.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The commie wants government to lock up all the land and keep the market from utilizing resources.


    Got it.
    Yes, yes "the market" demands American oil be sent to China. Not globalists and billionaire campaign donors. "The market".
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The commie wants government to lock up all the land and keep the market from utilizing resources.


    Got it.

    You get to call me out for wanting to buy smokes cheap; my smokes don't Fund your Fed.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Yes, yes "the market" demands American oil be sent to China. Not globalists and billionaire campaign donors. "The market".
    Yes, we know that you want government to control where resources go and you are spouting commie rhetoric to support it.

    Please keep it up so everyone is left without doubt who you really are.
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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    That makes better sense now. Thanks.
    And another commie "anarchist" reveals that he wants government to control resources and keep them off the market.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Before any "so much winning' memes get posted here, it's so important to continue to support stable genius DJT (R) type strong leaders so courts can be packed with the right kind of conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, we know that you want government to control where resources go and you are spouting commie rhetoric to support it.

    Please keep it up so everyone is left without doubt who you really are.
    Your post doesn't make any sense. You're flailing. This -is- the federal government taking control of where state and local resources go. I don't mind if a STATE government has a say in where the state's resources go. That's the 10th Amendment.
    Last edited by devil21; 07-09-2020 at 07:16 PM.
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    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And another commie "anarchist" reveals that he wants government to control resources and keep them off the market.
    You are a hoot tonight ;-) Why haven't you responded to my question in the other thread? Too difficult? Not in the playbook? Just plain stuck? Confused that the NY Lib would do such things (plural)?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)



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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Your post doesn't make any sense. You're flailing. This -is- the federal government taking control of where state and local resources go. I don't mind if a STATE government has a say in where the state's resources go. That's the 10th Amendment.
    You are the one supporting government controlling resources and opposing the free market.
    It doesn't matter what level of government controls the resources, it's still communism and you are supporting it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Supreme Court Rules Large Swath of Oklahoma Is Indian Reservation
    "Indian reservation?" Not "sovereign Indian land?"

    Well, that's mighty white of 'em ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "Indian reservation?" Not "sovereign Indian land?"

    Well, that's mighty white of 'em ...
    That's the legalese in action. An "indian reservation" is whatever Congress and/or SCOTUS decides it is, based on whatever definition they choose to enshrine into legislation/decision. And of course, the word "sovereign" is a bad, bad word! Can't have that word plastered across mass media articles, can we???


    This SCOTUS decision is likely also the real reason that Trump was in Tulsa recently. Campaign rallies and photo op visits around the country are always cover for "business" like this. Rallies and the like are window dressing to distract from "business" that takes place behind closed doors before, during and after the public photo ops. Presidents never fly/travel anywhere simply to appear in public.
    Last edited by devil21; 07-09-2020 at 08:54 PM.
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    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "Indian reservation?" Not "sovereign Indian land?"

    Well, that's mighty white of 'em ...

    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    That's the legalese in action. An "indian reservation" is whatever Congress and/or SCOTUS decides it is, based on whatever definition they choose to enshrine into legislation/decision.


    This SCOTUS decision is likely also the real reason that Trump was in Tulsa recently. Campaign rallies and photo op visits around the country are always cover for "business" like this. Rallies and the like are window dressing to distract from "business" that takes place behind closed doors before, during and after the public photo ops. Presidents never fly/travel anywhere simply to appear in public.
    This is where Swordy bails out of the thread.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Before any "so much winning' memes get posted here, it's so important to continue to support stable genius DJT (R) type strong leaders so courts can be packed with the right kind of conservatives.
    Lets not overlook the possibility that President Trump may be severely conservative like Mitt Romney.



    They're very close you know.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
    Make America the Land of the Free & the Home of the Brave again

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    This is where Swordy bails out of the thread.
    He recoils when the word "sovereign" arises and must run and shower quickly.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    He recoils when the word "sovereign" arises and must run and shower quickly.
    Your spin is weak man, Trump is our last hope.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Your spin is weak man, Trump is our last hope.
    I hope I am not reported. My social credit score can't take any more dings!

    (Biden's federal credit score bureau: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/09/joe-...it-bureau.html )
    Last edited by devil21; 07-10-2020 at 01:00 AM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.



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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I hope I am not reported. My social credit score can't take any more dings!
    I'm already in negative territory.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I hope I am not reported. My social credit score can't take any more dings!

    My social credit score is .308.
    Chris

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    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Supreme Court Rules Large Swath of Oklahoma Is Indian Reservation
    Might as well. After all, we're all "on the rez" now, anyway ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    My social credit score is .308.
    Mine is - 30-6.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Mine is - 30-6.

    So we're both rated anti-social? I'm in good company then.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    No borders! No walls!
    No Cherokee land at all!

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