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    Supreme court unanimously agrees that presidents are not immune to prosecution

    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Thursday cleared the way for prosecutors in New York to see President Trump’s financial records, a stunning defeat for Mr. Trump but a decision that probably means the records will be shielded from public scrutiny under grand jury secrecy rules until after the election, and perhaps indefinitely.

    In a separate decision, the court ruled that Congress could not, at least for now, see many of the same records.

    The vote in both cases was 7 to 2. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote both majority opinions.

    The court’s decision in favor of the New York prosecutors was a major statement on the scope and limits of presidential power, one that will take its place with landmark rulings that required President Richard M. Nixon to turn over tapes of Oval Office conversations and forced President Bill Clinton to provide evidence in a sexual harassment suit.

    In the case concerning the prosecutors’ subpoena, Chief Justice Roberts wrote that “no citizen, not even the president, is categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding.”

    He added that Mr. Trump may still raise objections to the scope and relevance of the subpoena.

    The court’s four more liberal members joined that majority opinion, and Mr. Trump’s two appointees, Justices Neil M. Gorsuch and Brett M. Kavanaugh, voted with the majority but did not adopt its reasoning.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/us/trump-taxes-supreme-court.html
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    Decisions: https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...itial_manual_5


    If you read the dissents you'll see that even Alito and Thomas agree that the president is not immune.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    #ObamaGate!
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Decisions: https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...itial_manual_5


    If you read the dissents you'll see that even Alito and Thomas agree that the president is not immune.
    Where did you get unanimously in the thread title?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Does this apply to previous presidents or just Trump? Can we see Bidens financial records with China and Ukraine now?
    Agreed something about this ruling seems rather "above the law" while during an election season. It seems the Supreme court had decided to get potical.

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    President Donnell's yuuuge campaign contributions to John F'n Kerry & Hillary 2008 must be kept secret until after the elections, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    President Donnell's yuuuge campaign contributions to John F'n Kerry & Hillary 2008 must be kept secret until after the elections, IMO.
    Were you a Bush or McCain supporter? Your posts make so much sense now.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Were you a Bush or McCain supporter? Your posts make so much sense now.
    You're posts make a lot of sense for a Lindsey/foamboy marco supporter?
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    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You must of really cried when Trump said John McCain wasn't a hero.
    Trump only said that because he knew the gig was up. He is on to throwing other bones now, while this Empire turns into a Fascist Nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Where did you get unanimously in the thread title?
    They all agree in their opinions that the president is not immune to prosecution. The dissents and minority concurring opinion is because they disagree as to the details.
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    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Does this apply to previous presidents or just Trump? Can we see Bidens financial records with China and Ukraine now?
    The opinions say that all are equal under the law, including presidents.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Agreed something about this ruling seems rather "above the law" while during an election season. It seems the Supreme court had decided to get potical.
    The way that they punted the ruling back to the district court for it to go all the way through the process again ensures that nothing will actually happen during election season. Trump's delay strategy worked as intended. This will prevent future presidents from doing the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Finally!! This was the only thing blocking Trump from being served justice!

    Except the whole not committing any crimes part..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Where did you get unanimously in the thread title?
    Yeah, I immediately noticed that too. Vote was 7-2. But that's the kind of dishonestly I expect from TheCount: A 2x Obama voter, Hillary voter; an extremist who puts "supporting member" in his profile when his goal here is the opposite.
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    So far we've yet to have a president that was prosecuted for serious crimes, found guilty, and spent the rest of their life behind bars. Guess we'll just have to accept these former presidents will remain free.
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    Trump will be used as the excuse for ending the current "shareholder capitalism" model, once his tax information is released and it is declared as evidence of why the current version of "capitalism" as a whole has failed. The next President, probably Biden, as scary as that is, will swoop in to offer the next economic version called "stakeholder capitalism", currently being championed by the World Economic Forum. Joe and Jill Biden have been (quietly) attending Davos WEF meetings to learn their talking points for the last couple of years.

    In other words, they're setting up the script for why the system needs to be changed to an even more globalist wealth redistribution model, with "dirty capitalist" Trump as the scapegoat. I expect a hefty side dish of pedo allegations courtesy of Maxwell, also. Tis all scripted well in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    So far we've yet to have a president that was prosecuted for serious crimes, found guilty, and spent the rest of their life behind bars.
    It would certainly be an improvement to see more politicians and presidents tried for crimes committed while in office.


    Luckily, it seems that a perfect opportunity for just that to happen is presenting itself.
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    Pinochet is the model
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It would certainly be an improvement to see more politicians and presidents tried for crimes committed while in office.


    Luckily, it seems that a perfect opportunity for just that to happen is presenting itself.
    He'd just pardon himself and create a constitutional crisis on his way out the door, just for good measure.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book



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