No, I will not be wearing a "mandated" mask in public

[r3volution 3.0]

Judging by videos of people protesting in the middle of the night on Seattle interstate highways, wearing all black clothing, then being surprised when they're hit by a car, I'd say Darwinian behavior these days doesn't have much to do with putting panties and rubber bands on one's face.

[CCTelander]

Texas..

There are NO "overwhelmed hospitals" in Texas. None. Nada. Zilch. Zip. The claim is a total fabrication.

[olehounddog]

Show us some more European hospitals. Then we will believe Texas hospitals are overwhelmed. MSM would be all over even 1 overwhelmed facility.

[Krugminator2]

I tried; now Darwin will do his unsavory but necessary business.

Giving someone a virus is an act of aggression. Masks work. Masks should be mandated. They reduce aggression.

Opposition to masks on freedom grounds is a special kind of dumb.

But i guess people prefer the freedom to be locked down periodically and more bailouts instead of doing something simple like wearing a mask.

Mask wearing could save the domestic economy from a 5% hit to GDP, Goldman says

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we...ath-2020-06-30

[Origanalist]

Giving someone a virus is an act of aggression. Masks work. Masks should be mandated. They reduce aggression.

Opposition to masks on freedom grounds is a special kind of dumb.

But i guess people prefer the freedom to be locked down periodically and more bailouts instead of doing something simple like wearing a mask.



https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we...ath-2020-06-30

Bull$#@!. Fearporn.

Wearing a mask has become a uniquely hot-button issue in the U.S., which finds itself in the throes of a coronavirus crisis that appears to be drifting out of control by the day.

The article starts out with a obviously false statement, nothing was ever drifting out of control and NO hospitals were ever overwhelmed.

[Krugminator2]

Bull$#@!. Fearporn.

I am already way out there on this. I think the lockdown was wrong. I think people under 50 should live their lives and even get the virus because of herd immunity. I laughed at how insane these athletes are worrying about the coronavirus when the death rate is zero for young and healthy all the while the actual sport they play is far more dangerous.

But Jesus Christ. You have something that costs nothing to you, reduces deaths substantially and could help prevent another shutdown. The coronavirus isn't a made up conspiracy theory.

At this point I would just make the fines $10,000 for not having a mask. Problem solved. A lot cheaper than costing the economy trillions in shutdowns.

[Krugminator2]

Bull$#@!. Fearporn.



The article starts out with a obviously false statement, nothing was ever drifting out of control and NO hospitals were ever overwhelmed.

I don't see the word hospital in the article.

Nassim Taleb publicly supported Ron Paul. He has been on top of this since the start.

[Origanalist]

I am already way out there on this. I think the lockdown was wrong. I think people under 50 should live their lives and even get the virus because of herd immunity. I laughed at how insane these athletes are worrying about the coronavirus when the death rate is zero for young and healthy all the while the actual sport they play is far more dangerous.

But Jesus Christ. You have something that costs nothing to you, reduces deaths substantially and could help prevent another shutdown. The coronavirus isn't a made up conspiracy theory.

At this point I would just make the fines $10,000 for not having a mask. Problem solved. A lot cheaper than costing the economy trillions in shutdowns.

$#@! your fine. Damn, what is wrong with you? These tyrannical governors would love to do just that.

[Danke]

I am already way out there on this. I think the lockdown was wrong. I think people under 50 should live their lives and even get the virus because of herd immunity. I laughed at how insane these athletes are worrying about the coronavirus when the death rate is zero for young and healthy all the while the actual sport they play is far more dangerous.

But Jesus Christ. You have something that costs nothing to you, reduces deaths substantially and could help prevent another shutdown. The coronavirus isn't a made up conspiracy theory.

At this point I would just make the fines $10,000 for not having a mask. Problem solved. A lot cheaper than costing the economy trillions in shutdowns.

How would you enforce your fine?

[donnay]

[Danke]

Krug probably owns shares in companies that make them.

[Krugminator2]

$#@! your fine. Damn, what is wrong with you? These tyrannical governors would love to do just that.

See me, smart person, prefers the $10 of tyranny of having to buy a mask.

You, well I won't characterize you, prefer the tens of thousands of dollars of cost for future bailouts on top of the tens of thousands in cost of shuttering the economy.

I believe $10 is less aggression than tens of thousands of dollars.

[Origanalist]

See me, smart person, prefers the $10 of tyranny of having to buy a mask.

You, well I won't characterize you, prefer the tens of thousands of dollars of cost for future bailouts on top of the tens of thousands in cost of shuttering the economy.

I believe $10 is less aggression than tens of thousands of dollars. But my brain is fully working.

False dichotomy. I prefer neither, you are blaming me for the actions of government when I have been pissed about the whole thing from the start. Clearly your brain doesn't work as well as you would like to think if you think my opposing masks has anything to do with their actions and wanting government to impose a $10,000 fine on me for it.

[Origanalist]

How would you enforce your fine?

I'm sure he would strap up and go collect for the cause.

[r3volution 3.0]

There are NO "overwhelmed hospitals" in Texas. None. Nada. Zilch. Zip. The claim is a total fabrication.

It was reported that Houston hospitals were at capacity a few days ago.

Googling, I see there's some dispute about whether that was so.

Let's say it wasn't.

The larger point is that the problem has been getting worse.

Part of that is vastly increased hospitalizations, even if capacity remains (for now).

https://dshs.texas.gov/coronavirus/additionaldata.aspx

See the excel file for hospitalizations over time.

Contrary to some narratives floating around, it's not just cases rising; more people are getting seriously ill.

Giving someone a virus is an act of aggression. Masks work. Masks should be mandated. They reduce aggression.

Opposition to masks on freedom grounds is a special kind of dumb.

But i guess people prefer the freedom to be locked down periodically and more bailouts instead of doing something simple like wearing a mask.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we...ath-2020-06-30

Evidently

[misterx]

Sweden never locked down. Sweden never exceeded hospital capacity. Sweden ripped off the band aid in one swift motion, and is now basically done with corona while we are still trying to get the band aid off without it hurting. Sweden is smarter than us.

[misterx]

Giving someone a virus is an act of aggression. Masks work. Masks should be mandated. They reduce aggression.

Opposition to masks on freedom grounds is a special kind of dumb.

But i guess people prefer the freedom to be locked down periodically and more bailouts instead of doing something simple like wearing a mask.



https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we...ath-2020-06-30

You do realize you're on RON PAUL forums? We don't manipulate language like that around here.

[misterx]

I tried; now Darwin will do his unsavory but necessary business.

Why are you even here if you think Ron Paul is retarded?

[Krugminator2]

You do realize you're on RON PAUL forums? We don't manipulate language like that around here.

Learn what a libertarian is. I've already posted enough links on this from people like Walter Block.

But just to confirm, you think government should play no role in preventing the spread of a deadly virus by something as cheap as a mask. That's tyranny. But you are for completely dismantling the property rights of private businesses like Twitter and Facebook because you don't like their politics.

[nikcers]

Learn what a libertarian is. I've already posted enough links on this from people like Walter Block.

But just to confirm, you think government should play no role in preventing the spread of a deadly virus by something as cheap as a mask. That's tyranny. But you are for completely dismantling the property rights of private businesses like Twitter and Facebook because you don't like their politics.

Twitter and Facebook effectively grew out of government contracted cdn networks and direct payments from political organizations and politicians that promoted them. They were created with the intent of being able to data mine the information from all of the citizens and that information is sold to corporations. Its basically a government hivemind in a country that is supposed to be a meritocracy and have free speech. Its the equivalents of a government politician selling land for negative pennies on the dollar to a person who helps them get elected and they build superhighways going to that land in order to collect citizens papers. Now that business uses its market dominance to censor dissenters.

[enhanced_deficit]

Also minorities are increasingly exempt from any requirements to wear a mask across various locales thanks to 'diversity is our strength' philosophy that has strong bipartisan support these days.

On a related note, blunt m-word language like below that was used by one of the prominent alpha terminator Republican leaders could further polarize so called 'mask politics'. Luckily many of MAGAites/GOPAites side participants in 'mask politics' drama tend to have strong constitution and less likelihood of any emotional triggering involving snowflake safe spaces debates that sometime spring up among safety-first Dems.

Arnold Schwarzenegger: Anyone making COVID-19 masks a 'political issue is an absolute moron'
USA TODAY
usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/06/18/arnold-schwarzenegger-covid-19-masks-arent-political-issue/3219308001/

So mention of above exemption in some areas does not create wrong impression about universal exemptioms across states, in some areas social distancing/lockdown rules are being enforced more strictly than others:

Bronx Man Arrested After Instagram Posts Expose His Defiance Of Hawaii’s Strict Quarantine Order
Bronx, NY
05-16

[nikcers]

If wearing a mask doesnt stop the flu which is 1/7th as contagious than its not going to stop or slow the spread of Corona. Its motherfucking stupid Chinese medicine. Its snake oil.

[nikcers]

Buried in all of that Coronavirus propaganda we found out its not contagious if you are asymptomatic. Meaning this is several magnitudes more contagious than people said it was. Since its novel that means the body doesnt need a high viral count in order for it to multiply. You just need one little virus to seep through that mask like it does because its not a hazmat suit. Water molecules dont trap the virus unless its a certain level of humidity it helps them stay alive longer. The people who say it does are lying because they want people to develop a herd immunity just in case it mutates and becomes worse.

[CCTelander]

It was reported that Houston hospitals were at capacity a few days ago.

Googling, I see there's some dispute about whether that was so.

Let's say it wasn't.

No, r3v, let's not just "say." Let's instead honestly acknowledge the objective fact that there are not now, nor have there ever been any "overwhelmed hospitals" in Texas. The claim is a complete fabrication, an outright lie. One of many that the "experts" spreading it around have been caught red handed in.

But don't take my word for it. Ron and Daniel McAdams have been doing an excellent job debunking all the bull$#@!, and those videos have all been posted right here at RPFs. Here are a few of them from most recent to earlier ones:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ding-The-Panic

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...The-New-Normal

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ng-To-Shutdown

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Second-Wave%92

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...More-Fake-News

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...jor-Propaganda

There are plenty of other reputable sources reporting the same. Virtually everything we're being told about this is a lie.

The larger point is that the problem has been getting worse.

Part of that is vastly increased hospitalizations, even if capacity remains (for now).

https://dshs.texas.gov/coronavirus/additionaldata.aspx

See the excel file for hospitalizations over time.

Contrary to some narratives floating around, it's not just cases rising; more people are getting seriously ill.

Nonsense. None of that is even remotely true. Besides the hard data and other evidence presented by Ron and Daniel McAdams above, Here's another source with additional data:

Evidently

Jumping on Krug's false dichotomy doesn't do much for your case.

[Origanalist]

Learn what a libertarian is. I've already posted enough links on this from people like Walter Block.

But just to confirm, you think government should play no role in preventing the spread of a deadly virus by something as cheap as a mask. That's tyranny. But you are for completely dismantling the property rights of private businesses like Twitter and Facebook because you don't like their politics.

Lol, appeal to authority and use Walter Blockhead? Ha ha ha ha ha.

[Anti Globalist]

Giving someone a virus is an act of aggression. Masks work. Masks should be mandated. They reduce aggression.

Opposition to masks on freedom grounds is a special kind of dumb.

But i guess people prefer the freedom to be locked down periodically and more bailouts instead of doing something simple like wearing a mask.



https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we...ath-2020-06-30

If someone went into a nursing home and started coughing on every elderly person in an attempt to get them sick, that would be an act of aggression. How many people over the past ten years do you think you've gotten sick because you unknowingly gave someone a virus? Do you have a guilty conscious over it?

[PAF]

All I hear in the local newz, and from people out in public (who are wearing masks), is that hospitals are "overwhelmed and overcrowded". I am not suggesting that coronavirus (a mild flu) does not exist, or that it does not affect the elderly or folks with other underlying severe conditions. But the claim that hospitals are "overwhelmed and overcrowded" is complete and utter bunk. I know first hand multiple hospitals are furloughing/permanently laying off employees due to extremely low census, and many hospitals are empty since converting to "coronavirus only". Also, while not discounting that there are cases, I have yet in all of my travels come across a single case of anybody who has actually had it.

The information has been published and posted numerous times. This "pandemic" is another 9/11 "TSA implementation", where Bio-Tech and tracking corporations in bed with government will be rolling out products on the tax payers dime. It has nothing to do with preventing or curing any cold or virus, but everything to do with tracking/recording people on a global scale. Clear corporation, the maker of scanning equipment for the TSA, is working as we speak to provide TSA with more of their intrusive scanning products.

Anybody who disputes or not aware of this simply has their head buried in the sand.

[nikcers]

Maybe if there arent enough hospitals we could make more hospitals and remove hurdles that allow people to go into the medical industry. Just a thought.

[Krugminator2]

Lol, appeal to authority and use Walter Blockhead? Ha ha ha ha ha.

As opposed to what. Learning about liberty from a guy like you who thinks private equity firms buying companies is evil or the guy I responded to who wants the government to step in and stop Twitter from banning people.

[nikcers]

As opposed to what. Learning about liberty from a guy like you who thinks private equity firms buying companies is evil?

Says the guy who still drives a prius and eats advocado toast.