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    Pat Buchanan: Will Churchill's Statue Be Next to Fall?

    This was written before the latest George Washington statue news.

    Will Churchill's Statue Be Next to Fall?

    By Patrick Buchanan
    June 12, 2020

    On Gen. George Washington's orders, the Declaration of Independence, signed in Philadelphia, was read aloud to his army. On hearing it, the troops marched to Bowling Green, decapitated and pulled down the statue of George III, and sent the remnants to be melted down into musket balls.
    It was a revolutionary act, a symbolic statement. These once-loyal American subjects were now rebels and no longer owed allegiance to the king. They would fight to end his rule in America.
    During the recent demonstrations and disorders here, similar acts had about them an aspect of societal rebellion and a repudiation of a heritage.
    In Richmond, Virginia, a statue of Christopher Columbus, who generations of American children were raised to revere as the intrepid Italian explorer who discovered the New World, was pulled down and thrown into a lake.
    In Boston, the Columbus statue was beheaded.
    In a half-dozen states, statues of Confederate generals and soldiers were pulled down. Gov. Ralph Northam promises to remove the huge statues of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson from their century-old places of honor on Richmond's Monument Avenue.
    In Philadelphia, the statue of fabled Italian American cop, police commissioner and mayor, Frank Rizzo, was desecrated and hauled away.
    Retired Gen. David Petraeus has written to urge that all army bases bearing the names of Confederate generals, such as Forts Benning, Bragg and Hood, be renamed. Robert E. Lee, who is everywhere at West Point, says Petraeus, was a U.S. soldier who "committed treason."
    Nancy Pelosi wants 11 statues, including those of Confederate President Jefferson Davis, Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens, and Sen. and U.S. Vice President John Calhoun, removed from the Capitol.
    The purge of historical figures has spread to Europe.
    The giant statue of King Leopold II in Brussels, who was enriched by the brutalitarian plundering of his Congo colony, has been taken down.
    In Bristol, England, a statue of Edward Colston, philanthropist and patron of the city but also a slave trader, was thrown into the harbor.
    At Oxford, students are moving to take down the statue of Cecil Rhodes, the archimperialist and founding father of Rhodesia who created as his legacy the Rhodes scholarships for British and American students.
    Resumes of all the once-admired great men who discovered, explored and colonized the New World, as well as all those who created and first led the United States, are being investigated to determine how egregiously these men violated the egalitarian and democratist dogmas of modernity.


    George Washington Statue Torn Down, Draped in Burning U.S. Flag

    Flashback: Trump Quits GOP, Calls Pat Buchanan "Hitler lover" While Standing Up For Diversity
    "He's a Hitler lover. I guess he's an anti-Semite. He doesn't like the blacks. He doesn't like the gays. It's just incredible that anybody could embrace this guy," Trump said.

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    Apparently it was an 'accidental':

    Winston Churchill's Image Removed from Worldwide Google Results as Statue is Covered in London

    Google has apologized after images of Winston Churchill were temporarily unavailable when you searched for the former British prime minister online.The search engine insisted there was nothing untoward after a glitch meant a photo of Churchill had disappeared from their results of "British Prime Ministers" and "WW2 Generals," while other leaders were not.
    Google said the photo went down by accident and they quickly sought to address the issue.

    This was not accidental:

    Protesters tear down statues of Union general Ulysses S. Grant, national anthem lyricist Francis Scott Key

    By Marty Johnson - 06/20/20

    Protesters in San Francisco on Friday toppled the statue of former President Grant, who led the Union Army during the Civil War, in Golden Gate Park.
    San Francisco police said that approximately 400 people gathered around 8 p.m. to take down the statue, though no arrests were made, according to NBC Bay Area.
    Also torn down in the park on Friday were the statues of St. Junipero Serra and Francis Scott Key, who wrote the lyrics to "The Star-Spangled Banner."

    #BREAKING: Demonstrators topple statues in San Francisco's Golden Gate Park. @hurd_hurd will have details on our News at 11.
    — NBC Bay Area (@nbcbayarea) June 20, 2020
    Friday was Juneteenth, a national celebration commemorating the last slaves being freed in Texas on June 19, 1865 — nearly two years after the Emancipation Proclamation was issued.
    While Grant is widely celebrated as being one of the leading forces who helped the Union win the Civil War, bringing an end to slavery in the U.S., some historians have pointed to his complicated relationship with slavery.

    "Grant did in fact own a man named William Jones for about a year on the eve of the Civil War," Sean Kane, interpretations and programs specialist at the American Civil War Museum, said in an article. "In 1859, Grant either bought or was given the 35-year-old Jones, who was in Grant’s service until he freed him before the start of the War."

    Kane also noted that Grant married into a slaveholding family that owned dozens of slaves.
    After Confederate forces fired on Fort Sumter, Grant wrote his father, an abolitionist, saying, “My inclination is to whip the rebellion into submission, preserving all Constitutional rights. If it cannot be whipped any other way than through a war against slavery, let it come to that legitimately. If it is necessary that slavery should fall that the Republic may continue its existence, let slavery go.”

    Many on Twitter pushed back against the toppling of Grant's statue in San Francisco.

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    "Results for Churchill. Did you mean Racist Bigot?"
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

    We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
    - Edward R. Murrow

    ...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.

    How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    "Results for Churchill. Did you mean Racist Bigot?"
    Why would you use such words for a British icon?

    In other news, BLM's statues campaign is accelrating:

    NC governor orders removal of Confederate statues at state Capitol

    By Artemis Moshtaghian and Susannah Cullinane, CNN
    Updated 5:48 PM ET, Sat June 20, 2020

    Crews in Raleigh remove a statue of Henry Lawson Wyatt, the first North Carolinian killed in battle in the Civil War.

    (CNN)North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper ordered Saturday that all Confederate monuments on Capitol grounds be removed to protect public safety.
    In a statement released by his office and published to Twitter, Cooper said "monuments to white supremacy don't belong in places of allegiance."

    The Confederate statues falling after George Floyd's death

    On Friday, a protester climbed a statue on a Confederate monument at the state Capitol, wrapped a strap around its neck and pulled it down, according to video from CNN affiliate WRAL. A second statue on the other side of the monument was also pulled down. Protesters then marched down the street and hung both statues from a light post on the street, WRAL reported.

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    (CNN)North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper ordered Saturday that all Confederate monuments on Capitol grounds be removed to protect public safety.
    In a statement released by his office and published to Twitter, Cooper said "monuments to white supremacy don't belong in places of allegiance."
    So i guess Euporean Settlers would be also removed from American history to? because of "White supremacy" it would be interesting to see what kind of nosnense with what leftists are going to be replacing American history with statues?

    Maybe Roy Cooper can resign himself and hand over his position to a POC then.

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    Not as long as the statue is protected.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Maybe Roy Cooper can resign himself and hand over his position to a POC then.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Not as long as the statue is protected.
    Cooper identifies as Democrat but don't think Republican POTUS will send National Guard to protect NC statues.

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    Some UK leaders had made strong statements to defend statues but in US there does not seem to be any major voice being raised besides muted protests like couple of WaPo and other MSM articles.

    Columbus Statues In Grant Park, Arrigo Park Covered In Plastic Wrap To ‘Discourage Vandalism’

    June 22, 2020
    Chicago Parks District tells me they covered the statues “to protect them and discourage vandalism”@cbschicago
    — Marissa Parra (@MarParNews) June 23, 2020
    The statues were covered up last Wednesday with the tarps, the Park District said. The district said it is not known how long they will be covered.
    A week ago Saturday, the Grant Park statue was spray-painted with terms like “BLM” and “genocide” – and in one spot with red paint that was left dripping like blood over the inscription that credits Columbus as the “discoverer of America.”

    Historical statues coming down all across the country tied to protests: A list

    Some have been vandalized and removed, others were taken down out of concern that they represent racism, injustice

    Rio Arriba County workers remove the bronze statue of Spanish conquerer Juan de Oate from its pedestal in front of a cultural center in Alcalde, N.M., Monday, June 15, 2020. Crowds of people for and against the removal lined Highway 68 near of the center. (Eddie Moore/The Albuquerque Journal via AP) Statues that have stood for years -- and in some cases, decades -- have been top of mind all across the country as protests take place following the deaths of George Floyd and Rayshard Brooks.
    Some statues have been vandalized, while other statues depicting Confederate leaders or Christopher Columbus have been outright removed out of concern that they represent racism and injustice.
    Here is a list of notable statues that have been recently removed, according to The Hill.

    Albany, N.Y. - The statue of Maj. Gen. Philip Schuyler in front of City Hall was ordered to be removed by Mayor Kathy Sheehan, who noted Schuyler was reportedly the largest slave owner in Albany.
    Albuquerque, N.M. - The city of Albuquerque removed the statue of conquistador Juan de Onate on Monday.
    Alexandria, Va. - “Appomattox,” a 131-year-old Confederate statue depicting a southern-facing Civil War soldier, was removed from an intersection June 2.
    Birmingham, Ala. - A statue of Confederate officer Charles Linn was taken down by protestors on June 2. In addition, Mayor Randal Woofin agreed to remove an obelisk formerly known as the Confederate Sailors and Soldiers Monument, according to NPR.
    Boston - A statue of Christopher Columbus was removed after being beheaded by protestors June 10.
    A Christopher Columbus statue in Boston was beheaded overnight
    — philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) June 10, 2020
    Dallas - A Texas Ranger statue that went by the name “One Riot, One Ranger,” was removed from Love Field Airport on June 11.
    Dearborn, Mich. - A statue of late Mayor Orville Hubbard was removed June 5 due to Hubbard’s alleged racist views.
    Indianapolis, Ind. - The city began removing a monument June 8 that memorialized Confederate prisoners of war.
    Jacksonville, Fla. - A statue and plaque honoring fallen Confederate soldiers was removed from Hemming Park on June 9. The statue had been at the park since 1898.
    Louisville, Ky. - A statue of John Breckenridge Castleman, a Confederate officer, was removed June 8.
    Mobile, Ala. - A statue depicting Confederate Admiral Raphael Semmes was removed June 5.
    Montgomery, Ala. - A statue of Robert E. Lee was torn down by protesters in early June.
    Nashville, Tenn. - A statue of politician Edward Carmack, a known critic of Tennessee civil rights journalist Ida B. Wells, was taken down May 30 outside the state Capitol.
    Philadelphia - The statue of former Mayor Frank Rizzo was removed June 2. Rizzo allegedly mistreated members of the Black and LGBT communities during his two terms in the 1970s.
    Richmond, Va. - Three statues -- those of Confederate Gen. Williams Carter Wickham, Confederate President Jefferson Davis and Christopher Columbus -- were torn down over a five-day span in June. The statue of Columbus was thrown into a lake.
    Saint Paul, Minn. - A statue of Christopher Columbus was taken down by protesters outside of the state Capitol.
    Sacramento, Calif. - A statue honoring a colonizer who laid claim to the land where the discovery of shiny flakes of gold sparked the California Gold Rush was removed June 15, outside a hospital bearing his name. A work crew lifted the statue of John Sutter - a 19th century man who enslaved Native Americans - off its pedestal in one of the latest instances of a historical figure being removed from public display.


    ‘Fortnite’ Removes Police Cars From Game

    Change in videogame comes amid national debate over law-enforcement practices
    June 21, 2020
    Police cars have been removed from the hit videogame “Fortnite,” a change that comes amid a national debate over law-enforcement practices in response to the killing of George Floyd while in Minneapolis police custody.
    “Fortnite” is one of the most popular games in the world, with more than 350 million players as of May, according to its creator, closely held Epic Games Inc. The shooter-survival game, which normally features police cars and other vehicles, launched a new season last week that introduced a new map for gameplay....

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    Time will tell, how tweet gets translated to actual policy :

    Trump Reportedly To Issue Executive Order Allowing Arrests Of People Removing Or Defacing Statues

    Lisette Voytko
    Updated Jun 23, 2020

    After President Trump posted a pair of tweets Tuesday morning that “authorized” arresting people who have torn down monuments in recent weeks under a 2003 federal law, reports have emerged that Trump will sign an executive order that allows the arrest of that same group of people, after protesters attempted to remove a statue of his favorite former commander-in-chief, Andrew Jackson, from the area outside the White House Monday night.

    The statue of former President Andrew Jackson has ropes and chains dangling from it, protesters ... [+]
    Photo by ERIC BARADAT/AFP via Getty Images KEY FACTS

    CNN reported that Trump said he plans to issue the executive order to prevent further removal or defacement of statues, and it’s unclear if his earlier Tuesday tweets contain the substance of what will be included in the executive order.

    In his tweets, Trump vowed to arrest “anyone who vandalizes or destroys any monument, statue or other such Federal property in the US with up to 10 years in prison, per the Veteran’s Memorial Preservation Act.”

    Trump added that his authorization is “effective immediately” but also can be applied “retroactively” to cover other monuments toppled in recent weeks.

    “There will be no exceptions!” Trump tweeted.

    Trump earlier on Tuesday tweeted about the Jackson memorial removal attempt, calling it “disgraceful vandalism,” and mentioned the Act as well as the potential prison time for violators.

    Before Trump posted his tweets, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., wrote in a Monday letter to Attorney General Bill Barr that federal charges should be brought against people tearing down statues, citing the Act as well as the 1968 Anti-Riot Act.

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    Strong statement by Prez Trump on statues even though part of media is criticizing it as 'dog whistle'.

    June 30, 2020

    This was another one of those weekends where the Signal and the Noise merged into one ghastly Trump tweet-fest. Trump—the self-proclaimed “law-and-order president,” who recently demanded that those who destroy Confederate statues get up to 10 years in prisontweeted out a video showing a group of golf cart-riding MAGA enthusiasts in a Florida retirement community. One of them shouts “White power! White power!” at a group of anti-Trump protesters.
    Source: "Pence Masks Up While Trump Keeps Dog-Whistling"

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    Petition started to rename Winston Churchill High

    Joins calls for name changes at Magruder, Richard Montgomery

    By Caitlynn Peetz
    | Published: 2020-07-07

    Winston Churchill High School

    Montgomery County students have gathered more than 1,000 signatures in a push to rename Winston Churchill High School in Potomac.
    The call for change joins a growing list of demands to rename local high schools. Recently, petitions have surfaced asking for Col. Zadok Magruder and Richard Montgomery high schools to also be renamed.
    All three petitions point to the schools’ namesakes’ ties to slavery or white supremacy.
    Churchill was a member of Parliament in England for more than 60 years and served as the prime minister of the United Kingdom from 1940 to 1945. He received the Nobel Prize in Literature and has been praised in the United Kingdom for defending Europe’s democracy from fascism.
    But the Churchill High petition says its namesake perpetrated “crimes against humanity” in England.
    It says Churchill stole grain from India to feed soldiers in World War II, which contributed to the death of Indians. He also ordered Kenyans into camps “where they were subject to severe torture, malnutrition, beatings,” the petition says, and he defended the use of concentration camps in South Africa.
    The petition says Churchill called Indians “beastly” and inferior to white people.
    “There is a psychological impact of naming the places we live in and learn after destructive and hateful figures,” the petition says. “We should refuse to glorify the people who murdered and abused our students’ ancestors.”

    Obama on why he swapped out Churchill bust from Oval Office
    April 23, 2016

    President Obama explains why he swapped a bust of Winston Churchill (bottom) for MLK in the Oval Office. Reuters; Pete Souza/White House (top); Getty Images (bottom)

    The Russians and Chinese are flexing their military muscles and ISIS remains on the march — but the leader of the free world on Friday had to take time to explain why he moved a bust of Winston Churchill from the Oval Office seven years ago.

    “I love Winston Churchill. I love the guy,” President Obama insisted at a news conference during his visit to London, saying the bust was only moved to another spot in the White House so it could be replaced by a bust of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

    The kerfuffle broke out after London’s mayor charged that the “part-Kenyan” Obama’s “ancestral dislike of the British empire” led him to toss the bust.
    The president responded by reassuring the world that the bust remained safe and sound, the first time he has publicly addressed the non-issue that’s dogged him through two terms in office.

    “My private office is called the Treaty Room. And right outside the door of the Treaty Room, so that I see it every day, including on weekends when I’m going into that office to watch a basketball game, I see a bust of Winston Churchill,” the president said.
    Obama acknowledged President George W. Bush kept the bust of Churchill in the Oval Office, but said he decided to redecorate.

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    Joe Biden: Our culture is not imported from some African nation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Joe Biden: Our culture is not imported from some African nation...
    There have been claims about Biden's ties with segregationists resurfacing in media headlines and NYT headlines like below, though I'm still not convinced such headlines are being pushed deliberately as part of some dog whisteling strategy as some faint mimick of Trump 2016 birtherism outreach strategy to court the "white vote".

    Why Some Democrats Worry About the Whiteness of Biden’s Inner Circle

    Even as his team adds people of color, allies worry that a lack of diverse viewpoints at the top could come with a steep cost: the possibility of taking for granted his strength with black voters.
    Published June 4, 2020 Updated July 3, 2020

    As to suggestions behind such media headlines, have not seen latest reporting but won't be too surprised if turned out that Biden's inner most circle had more White Christians than Trump's.

    In any case, recent reported polling data and past week's Kanye Exit from Trump camp and Trump's strong praises of Mexican President/USMCA and Hispanic outreach could sugget some sharp tactical changes shaping up in Trump camp's tactics close to 2020 election.

    Biden Builds Polling Lead in Battleground States, With Strength Among White Voters

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    Global reverberations of US BLM movement supported by high profile figures like Colin Kaepernick, Kanye West and others continue.

    Statue of Black Lives Matter protester replaces toppled UK slave trader in Bristol

    Posted 2hhours ago

    Jen Reid poses in front of the new black resin and steel statue portraying her during a Black Lives Matter protest England.(AP: Matt Dunham)

    An artist has erected a statue of a Black Lives Matter protester in place of a toppled slave trader in the British city of Bristol.
    Key points:

    • Jen Reid was part of the Black Lives Matter protests in Bristol
    • Protesters toppled a statue of a 17th century slave trader and threw it in the harbour
    • A London-based artists designed the statue if Ms Reid to fill the vacant spot

    Marc Quinn created the life-size resin and steel likeness of Jen Reid, a protester photographed standing on the plinth after demonstrators pulled down the statue of Edward Colston and dumped it in the harbour in the city of Bristol.
    The statue which is titled 'A Surge of Power (Jen Reid)' was erected before dawn on Wednesday (local time), without approval from city officials.
    Ms Reid, who came to inspect her likeness, said "it's something that fills me with pride".
    "I think it's amazing," she said.
    "It looks like it belongs there. It looks like it's been there forever."
    Colston was a 17th-century trader who made a fortune transporting enslaved Africans across the Atlantic Ocean to the Americas on Bristol-based ships.
    His money funded schools and charities in Bristol.

    Anti-racism protesters in Bristol pulled down a statue of slave trader Edward Colston.The toppling of his statue was part of a worldwide reckoning with racism and slavery sparked by the death of American man, George Floyd, at the hands of police in Minneapolis in May.

    Quinn, one of Britain's best-known sculptors, said Ms Reid had "created the sculpture when she stood on the plinth and raised her arm in the air".

    "Now we're crystallising it," he said.

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    just an expensive selfie...

    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Statue of Black Lives Matter protester replaces toppled UK slave trader in Bristol[/SIZE]
    Somebody needs to saw the head off and replace it with the head of famous white man, Karl Marx.

    In fact, it wouldn't be very difficult to sculpt Marx's higher forehead, brows, mustache and beard right over this head - if you can just keep the rioters away long enough. Then bring in the tomatoes and have target practice. It's OK because the rule if law doesn't apply to public statues. They have every right to do whatever they please... but they better hurry before some bureaucrat declares some preposterous new rule regarding it.

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    Virginia evicts Confederate monuments from its state Capitol


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    Workmen place plywood beside the statue of Robert E. Lee in the Old House Chamber inside the Virginia State Capitol in Richmond, VA Thursday night, July 23, 2020. All busts and plaques relating to the Confederacy were removed. (Bob Brown/Richmond Times-Dispatch via AP)

    RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Virginia has removed from its iconic state capitol the busts and a statue honoring Confederate generals and officials. That includes a bronze statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee positioned in the same spot where he stood to assume command of the state’s armed forces in the Civil War nearly 160 years ago.
    They are the latest Confederate symbols to be removed or retired in the weeks since the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police sparked a nationwide protest movement.
    Virginia House Speaker Eileen Filler-Corn, a Democrat, quietly ordered the Lee statue and busts of generals J.E.B. Stuart, Stonewall Jackson, Confederate President Jefferson Davis, and others removed from the historic Old House Chamber. A moving crew worked through the night Thursday — carefully removing the monuments and their plaques and loading them into a truck and taking them to an undisclosed location.

    The stealth approach avoids the possibility of protests or a lawsuit to keep the monuments in place, but may prompt criticism that the monuments were moved without public discussion.
    “Virginia has a story to tell that extends far beyond glorifying the Confederacy and its participants,” Filler-Corn said in a statement. “Now is the time to provide context to our Capitol to truly tell the commonwealth’s whole history.”
    Designed by Thomas Jefferson, the Virginia State Capitol is the first state capitol to open after the American Revolution and was used as the Confederacy’s Capitol during much of the Civil War.
    Filler-Corn’s move to remove the Confederate generals comes a few weeks after Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam ordered the removal of a different Lee monument — a 21-foot (6-meter) bronze equestrian sculpture on Richmond’s historic Monument Avenue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Somebody needs to saw the head off and replace it with the head of famous white man, Karl Marx.

    In fact, it wouldn't be very difficult to sculpt Marx's higher forehead, brows, mustache and beard right over this head - if you can just keep the rioters away long enough. Then bring in the tomatoes and have target practice. It's OK because the rule if law doesn't apply to public statues. They have every right to do whatever they please... but they better hurry before some bureaucrat declares some preposterous new rule regarding it.

    That seems unlikely , even more so now that Marx might have some friends close to power centers.

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    Another day, another vote:

    Another city votes to remove a statue of Christopher Columbus

    By Sheena Jones, CNN
    Wed August 12, 2020

    Workers covering the statue of Christopher Columbus in Marconi Plaza, Philadelphia.

    (CNN)The Philadelphia Art Commission, which approves the design and location of construction projects and public art on city property, voted Wednesday to remove the statue of Christopher Columbus in Marconi Plaza.

    The commission voted 8-0 with one abstention to remove the statue, with the caveat that the city report back on its process to find the statue a new permanent home every six months.
    "I would like to see the sculpture removed from its space for a lot of reasons, one of them is safety for both the sculpture and the public. I would like to see it put into storage and a group of people immediately get together and start figuring out how to get it on private property, " Philadelphia Art and Architecture Commission member Robert Roesch said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    On Gen. George Washington's orders, the Declaration of Independence, signed in Philadelphia, was read aloud to his army. On hearing it, the troops marched to Bowling Green, decapitated and pulled down the statue of George III, and sent the remnants to be melted down into musket balls.
    Please explain this to me. Why was the destruction of the King George statue not considered destroying history but removal, without destruction, of confederate statues somehow is?
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    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Please explain this to me. Why was the destruction of the King George statue not considered destroying history but removal, without destruction, of confederate statues somehow is?
    Let me try to defend Pat's view, that was in the context of a militant rebellion and militancy usually involves destruction; currently there is freedom and independence and symbols' significance is mostly symbolic/historic.
    In general I would try to err on the side of preserving history, key issue would be if preservation of any historic symbols is also coupled with preservation of any inferior/racist ideologies or not.

    On a different note, I tend to see many of recent developments starting with demise of Bush-Cheney era culture/wipe out of many old political culture statues and rise of progressive Obama/Trump/BLM/Justice/Diversity Is Our Strength campaigns of recent years a direct result of and continuation of costly sacrifices made for Iraqi Freedom.

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    Confederate statue coming down at Va. site of interracial marriage case

    Neal Augenstein

    August 26, 2020

    Virginia’s Caroline County courthouse, which was at the center of a landmark civil rights decision involving interracial marriages, will soon lose the Confederate sentry that has stood on the courthouse lawn for 114 years.

    The county’s Board of Supervisors voted unanimously Monday night to remove the statue, which had been erected in 1906 by the Bowling Green United Daughters of the Confederacy.

    Jeff Black, supervisor of the Western Caroline District, told WTOP he believes such statues have value, but said, “My problem with it was the location, and the number of people that were upset by the location.”
    Under a Virginia law which took effect July 1, the county will entertain offers from groups to take ownership of the statue, which currently overlooks North Main Street in the town of Bowling Green.

    Black and other supervisors said they wanted the statue to be handled with respect, but moved someplace else.
    ”What you’ve seen in some of the other areas, like Richmond, with them being vandalized and torn down — we didn’t want that,” Black said.
    During Monday’s public hearing before the vote, several Black community members said the Confederate statue was a constant reminder of slavery and racism.

    Especially given that the statue stands on a courthouse lawn, said Black, “It just seems to be inconsistent with the same place that the Loving versus Virginia court case originally started.”

    In 1958, Mildred Loving, a woman of color, and her husband, Richard, who was white, were sentenced to a year in prison for marrying each other.

    The 1967 U.S. Supreme Court decision ruled laws banning interracial marriage violate the equal protection and due process clauses of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
    After 30 days, the Board of Supervisors will vote to determine which group will take custody of the statue.

    Earlier this month, Albemarle County became the first county in Virginia to vote to remove its Confederate monument.

    Loudoun County’s statue was removed after its Board of Supervisors voted to accept the offer from the local Daughters of the Confederacy group to take control of its statue, which also had been on courthouse grounds.


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    Dozens of Christopher Columbus statues have been removed since June

    By Christopher Brito
    September 25, 2020

    At least 33 Christopher Columbus statues have been taken down or in the process of being removed since the renewed Black Lives Matter protests began in late spring, according to a count of local reports. Seeing them come down has been meaningful for Jorge Baracutei Estevez, the cacike, or chief, of the Higuayagua Taíno, a cultural group dedicated to the rescue of Taino culture and language.

    "For [the statues] coming down, it's almost like a weight off my chest because it's like a validation," he told CBS News.
    Protests have targeted Columbus because he is accused of the genocide of indigenous people. A 2019 study published in the journal Quaternary Science Review estimated that between 1492 and 1600, about 55 million people in the Americas died. The Taíno people were virtually wiped out in the decades after Columbus first arrived on the island of Hispaniola, where Haiti and the Dominican Republic sit today.

    Waterbury Christopher Columbus statue will get its head back after November election
    Sep 26, 2020

    WATERBURY, Conn. (WTNH) — News 8 has exclusively learned the head of the decapitated Christopher Columbus statue in Waterbury will be placed back onto the statue after the November election.

    There’s a referendum on the ballot asking Waterbury residents if the statue should stay in front of the city hall or be moved somewhere else once the head is reattached.
    The statue has been the source of controversy and the site of protests this summer.
    RELATED: News 8 obtains surveillance video of the beheading of Waterbury’s Christopher Columbus statue
    Many said it’s a racist symbol. Others saying it was a gift to the city in the 80s from Italian-American groups as a way to celebrate the city’s many immigrant groups.
    Police say on July 4, Brandon Ambrose from Port Chester, New York, climbed on top of the statue and hammered the head off.

  25. #22
    Pat Buchanan doesn't like Churchill!
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Super Joe Biden is already draining the swamp?

  26. #23
    I dunno but Churchill and the British are/were a bunch of jerkoffs.

    Forget about the fact that a bunch of American farmers stomped their military.

    You see this $#@!ing Churchill strutting around like hes not a complete piece of dog$#@!.

    In the Pacific, the Japanese whipped the $#@! out of the British.

    And in Europe, the Germans kicked the $#@! out of the British all the way back to England.

    It was $#@!ing laughable.

    If not for us, again, from the West and the Russians to the East, Britian would be dust right now with Churchill on all fours fellating Hitler.

    Ofcourse the Riussians didnt have much choice, take your chances vs the Germans or get shot by Stalin.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

  27. #24
    Leftists will replace the statues with something. And then, in a few years, something else. And then again shortly after.

    It's not about replacing an idea with another. It's about presenting so rapid a succession of ideas that they cease to exist altogether.

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