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    Rand Paul: Trump Deserves Credit for Bringing the Troops Home

    In 1988, a certain congressman from Texas ran for president on a platform of bringing home our troops from around the world. Even then, more than 30 years ago, U.S. troops were in over 100 countries, and tens of thousands were still in Europe.

    That Texas congressman was my father, Ron Paul, who 20 years later ran again for the presidency and was still calling “to begin bringing American troops home from around the world—an absolute necessity if the budget is ever to be brought under control. We’re going broke and we still have 75,000 troops in Germany?”

    In his best-selling book The Revolution, my father wrote: “We can either withdraw gracefully, as I propose, or we can stay in our fantasy world and wait until bankruptcy forces us to scale back our foreign commitments.”

    This week, President Trump called for a modest reduction of American troops in Germany, reducing them from 34,500 to 25,000 (a great start that will hopefully lead to further reductions there). The Republican neocon caucus responded exactly as you would expect. You’d think the Berlin Wall was still in place and two million Russians were about to invade Germany. Utter nonsense.

    With the Cold War now 30 years moribund, the hysteria over removing troops is ludicrous. Meanwhile the very real threat of bankruptcy and menacing debt grows each day. Just this year, the United States will add $4 trillion to the national debt. Can the Germans afford to defend themselves? Without question. Germany actually balances its annual budget every year.

    Yet the U.S. still has about 170,000 troops in about 150 countries at great expense in both lives and treasure. Often that puts our soldiers on the front lines of civil wars whose origins we barely even comprehend. The U.S. also becomes allied with governments, such as Saudi Arabia, that are barbaric, despotic, and anti-American. And yet the cycle continues because the war caucus vows to never, ever let our troops come home.

    President Trump is also advocating ending our nation’s longest war in Afghanistan. It couldn’t happen soon enough. The American taxpayer is paying $50 billion a year to build roads and bridges in that country, while our own nation’s infrastructure crumbles.

    President Trump has also discussed having fewer troops in South Korea, and has actually forced Seoul to pay more for our presence. Possibly the best aspect of the Trump presidency, though, has been his willingness to challenge the bipartisan neoconservative consensus on forever war.

    More at: https://www.theamericanconservative....e-troops-home/
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    Then instead of Deep State, he would also get credit for sending 5000 troops surge to Afghanistan a year ago and bombing Syria, Iraq etc , expansion of US funded Israeli settlements.

    But it's a good call in principle if there will be net reduction in troops close to election day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Then instead of Deep State, he would also get credit for sending 5000 troops surge to Afghanistan a year ago and bombing Syria, Iraq etc , expansion of US funded Israeli settlements.

    But it's a good call in principle if there will be net reduction in troops close to election day.
    LOL

    Trump is getting us out of Afghanistan as he always wanted, it was absolutely the deepstate that pressured him to try something else first, he bombed an empty airfield in Syria instead of declaring war on Assad like the deepstate wanted and he's getting us out of Iraq now too, and the expansion of settlements in Israel is absolutely an Israeli/deepstate issue.

    I'm sorry to tell you but your spin won't work, the deepstate legitimately gets credit for all the bad things and Trump legitimately gets credit for all the good things.

    Tell your ChiCom masters that Biden hasn't a prayer and that you are a waste of their money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    $#@! you i'm going home.
    Thanks to the lame ass security

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    good for rand!
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    Bump
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    Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize. Trump gets credit for bring the troops home. Phillip Morris should get credit for curing cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dean.engelhardt View Post
    Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize. Trump gets credit for bring the troops home. Phillip Morris should get credit for curing cancer.
    Trump is bringing the troops home.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    This is what sensible people would refer to as “a good start.”– For starters, President Donald Trump (I still never tire of typing those three glorious words in that order) announced this morning that the United States of by-God America is pulling 12,000 troops out of Germany. For those keeping count, that is fully 3,000 more troops than Trump indicated he would be pulling out of that country when the topic was first raised a few weeks ago.
    Even better is the reason the President gave for making the move:
    "Germany's delinquent," said Pres Trump, asked about decision to pull 12,000 US forces out of Germany. "They haven't paid their @NATO fees…and they have no intention of paying it," he says of Germany. "Why why would we keep all of those troops there?" he asks. pic.twitter.com/6Iwj4UFWgN
    — Mark Knoller (@markknoller) July 29, 2020
    Beautiful. Wonderful. Absolutely glorious.
    More detail from a report at Politico:

    The Pentagon on Wednesday laid out a plan to shift nearly 12,000 service members out of Germany after President Donald Trump repeatedly said the country was “delinquent” on defense spending.
    Top defense leaders said the plan, which would bring 6,400 service members home and reposition nearly 5,600 to other countries in Europe, is part of the Pentagon’s broader effort to redistribute U.S. forces across the world to better compete with new threats from Russia and China. The move will leave 24,000 troops in Germany, where the United States has stationed a significant number of forces since the end of the Cold War.

    More at: https://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/...-from-germany/
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    We don't need troops in Germany anymore, this is a great start. Something very few on RPF would give credit for.
    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF is to troll:

    Nobody spends this much time copy & pasting the same recycled links, photos & talking points. Does anybody even know where this troll stands on any issue?

    7 years and 25k posts later, the forum still does nothing & members still think they're replying to real posts

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    Are those troops coming home or just being sent to other places/midseast to support our closest allies in mideast?
    How many net troops out of Afganistan and mideast in last 4 years (with his term ending in few weeks)?

    This data suggests he may have actually increased troops there , though likey some missing data here.


    Afghanistan

    03 JULY 2020
    Currently, the US has approximately 8,600 soldiers in Afghanistan, according to the latest reports.
    tolonews.com/afghanistan/4000-us-troops-stay-afghanistan-post-election%C2%A0la-times

    July 6, 2016: Saying the security situation in Afghanistan "remains precarious," Obama announces that instead of dropping the U.S. troop level to 5,500, he will keep it at about 8,400 through the end of his term on Jan. 20, 2017. He said his successor can determine the next move.


    Mideast

    President Trump recently deployed an additional 3,500 troops to the Middle East following the killing of Iran’s Gen. Qassem Soleimani.
    By USAFacts, Contributor Jan. 9, 2020
    usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-01-09/after-recent-deployments-how-many-us-troops-are-in-the-middle-east

    As U.S. Soldiers Deploy Amid the Coronavirus Pandemic, They Fight Two Battles
    June 17, 2020
    FORT BRAGG, N.C. (AP) —
    The 34-year-old is among 2,200 paratroopers assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division’s 2nd Brigade Combat Team deploying to Iraq and Syria amid the coronavirus pandemic. They’ll be supporting Operation Inherent Resolve, the U.S military battle to defeat the Islamic State.
    https://time.com/5854760/us-military...irus-pandemic/


    Iraq's Parliament votes to expel U.S. military


    Trump threatens Iraq with crippling sanctions if US troops are expelled
    6 January 2020
    Donald Trump has threatened Iraq with "sanctions like they've never seen before" President Trump has threatened severe sanctions against Iraq after its parliament called on US troops to leave the country.
    Speaking from the presidential plane, Mr Trump said that if Iraq asked US forces to depart on an unfriendly basis, "we will charge them sanctions like they've never seen before, ever. It'll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame."
    bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51003159

    US service member dies in Syria
    July 21, 2020
    armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/07/21/us-service-member-dies-in-syria/




    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    We don't need troops in Germany anymore, this is a great start.
    ^This.

    Our closest allies needing US taxpayers funded support these days are in mideast:

    Pentagon deploys American troops in Israel
    March 10, 2019

    Trump: ‘We have to protect Israel,’ shifting again on Syria withdrawal

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Are those troops coming home or just being sent to other places/midseast to support our closest allies in mideast?
    Ho many net troops out of Afganistan and mideast in last 4 years with his term ending in few weeks?

    This data suggests he may have actually increased troops there , though likey some missing data here.


    03 JULY 2020
    Currently, the US has approximately 8,600 soldiers in Afghanistan, according to the latest reports.
    tolonews.com/afghanistan/4000-us-troops-stay-afghanistan-post-election%C2%A0la-times

    President Trump recently deployed an additional 3,500 troops to the Middle East following the killing of Iran’s Gen. Qassem Soleimani.
    By USAFacts, Contributor Jan. 9, 2020
    usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-01-09/after-recent-deployments-how-many-us-troops-are-in-the-middle-east

    July 6, 2016: Saying the security situation in Afghanistan "remains precarious," Obama announces that instead of dropping the U.S. troop level to 5,500, he will keep it at about 8,400 through the end of his term on Jan. 20, 2017. He said his successor can determine the next move.





    ^This.

    Our closest allies needing US taxpayers funded support these days are in mideast:

    Pentagon deploys American troops in Israel
    March 10, 2019

    Trump: ‘We have to protect Israel,’ shifting again on Syria withdrawal
    Try reading, or better yet try not deliberately deceiving.

    Top defense leaders said the plan, which would bring 6,400 service members home and reposition nearly 5,600 to other countries in Europe

    The United States said Thursday it would reduce troops in Iraq in the coming months as friction between the two countries eased under a new US-friendly premier in Baghdad.

    In a joint statement, the United States said that the reason for its military’s return to Iraq in 2014 — defeating extremists from the Islamic State group — had made major headway.
    “The two countries recognized that in light of significant progress towards eliminating the ISIS threat, over the coming months the US would continue reducing forces from Iraq,” a joint statement said.
    “The United States reiterated that it does not seek nor request permanent bases or a permanent military presence in Iraq.”
    The coalition has already consolidated to just three bases in recent months, down from a dozen.

    More at: https://www.breitbart.com/middle-eas...over-a-decade/

    The U.S. pointed out that they had already withdrawn half of their forces from Iraq since the start of the new year.

    Reuters reports Friday:

    Western military trainers are expected to remain in Iraq, but it is not clear how many. The United States has had around 5,000 troops stationed in the country, and coalition allies another 2,500.

    An earlier newsflash by Iraq’s state news agency cited Prime Minister Mustafa al-Kadhimi as saying there would be a total withdrawal of troops. The article was later removed.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ermanent-bases

    Ruger, a Naval Reserve officer who served a year in Afghanistan a decade ago, is aligned with the president’s thinking about the U.S. footprint in the Middle East and the wars in Afghanistan and Syria, and has been especially vocal about getting out of Afghanistan.

    “President Trump has correctly concluded that a full and speedy withdrawal of our troops is imperative,” he wrote in the American Interest in late May. “Our national interest isn’t served by continuing to wage a futile battle but by exiting it.”



    The US is well ahead of its pullout schedule, down to about 8,500 troops in Afghanistan. Officials sayt hey want 4,000 by the election, and some are saying a complete pullout is possible by then.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...edy-withdrawal
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    Colonel Douglass MacGregor is a good choice, too. Still don't trust Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eleganz View Post
    We don't need troops in Germany anymore, this is a great start. Something very few on RPF would give credit for.
    I like the idea of troops out of the EU period. I'd like to see how their socialist system there functions without the US there to offset defense expenses. I still don't think its a net positive because they will redeployed but wth its something.

    Maybe it will spark an idea in congress that this is the direction we should be going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    I like the idea of troops out of the EU period. I'd like to see how their socialist system there functions without the US there to offset defense expenses. I still don't think its a net positive because they will redeployed but wth its something.

    Maybe it will spark an idea in congress that this is the direction we should be going.
    More are coming home than will be redeployed.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    More are coming home than will be redeployed.
    "More" is great but any specific numbers... at the end of his first term (ending in few weeks), how many total US troops will be in foreign countries globally .. 100K, 200K, 300K, 400K or even more?

    Will there be a parade when troops return home?

    RAND PAUL: Bring home our troops and throw a parade!

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    "More" is great but any specific numbers... at the end of his first term (ending in few weeks), how many total US troops will be in foreign countries globally .. 100K, 200K, 300K, 400K or even more?

    Will there be a parade when troops return home?

    RAND PAUL: Bring home our troops and throw a parade!
    I just gave you the numbers for Germany and I posted an article that says half our troops have left Iraq and more are leaving along with all of our troops leaving Afghanistan.

    Germany is one of the two places we have the most deployed troops and Iraq and Afghanistan are high on the list as well and Trump is not sending lots of new troops anywhere so our total footprint is obviously decreasing.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    I like the idea of troops out of the EU period. I'd like to see how their socialist system there functions without the US there to offset defense expenses. I still don't think its a net positive because they will redeployed but wth its something.

    Maybe it will spark an idea in congress that this is the direction we should be going.
    Its a net positive since half of the 12k are coming home.

    Perhaps half are being spread throughout Europe as a way to not shock the party so there is a backlash against Trump. None of us have any insider information on how this all works and why certain numbers are chosen to be announced so its hard to say either way but its a result and a result I will gladly take with the hope for more results.
    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF is to troll:

    Nobody spends this much time copy & pasting the same recycled links, photos & talking points. Does anybody even know where this troll stands on any issue?

    7 years and 25k posts later, the forum still does nothing & members still think they're replying to real posts

    Know the deceptions of a paid troll HERE (Post #3)

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    Hopefully those troops will stay home. Hate to see them get redeployed somewhere else.
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