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    GOD Created The Races On The 6th Day & Adam On The 8th Day

    Don't let people make you believe there is no race of people. A simpy Bible study can prove there are different races.

    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Don't let people make you believe there is no race of people. A simpy Bible study can prove there are different races.

    Wow, what cult is this from?? The Bible clearly teaches, in many places, that God created the world in 7 days. There was no 8th day....
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Wow, what cult is this from?? The Bible clearly teaches, in many places, that God created the world in 7 days. There was no 8th day....
    Wow, do you know how to count? What comes after seven? If you read Genesis 1 and continue to read Genesis 2, it is laid out for you to understand.

    Genesis 1

    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
    28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
    29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
    30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
    31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
    Genesis 2

    3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
    4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
    5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
    6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
    7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
    8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
    9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
    10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
    11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
    12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
    13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
    14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
    15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
    16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
    18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
    19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
    20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
    21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
    22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
    23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
    Seven days you say? How many years is that to man?

    2 Peter 3:8

    “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Even Paul Harvey got it...

    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Wow, do you know how to count? What comes after seven? If you read Genesis 1 and continue to read Genesis 2, it is laid out for you to understand.





    Seven days you say? How many years is that to man?

    2 Peter 3:8

    “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
    Yes, I can count, and there is no 8th day in Creation, in spite of your video with the Elvis Pressley song in the background, or your reference to Paul Harvey.
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Yes, I can count, and there is no 8th day in Creation, in spite of your video with the Elvis Pressley song in the background, or your reference to Paul Harvey.
    Sorry you feel that way. Even with all the examples, you still do not get it. For a long time I didn't get it either until I actively study the WORD.

    2 Timothy 2:15

    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Sorry you feel that way. Even with all the examples, you still do not get it. For a long time I didn't get it either until I actively study the WORD.

    2 Timothy 2:15

    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
    So that's your answer? Nothing in the verses you quoted mentions an 8th day. Must be one of those "secrets" in Scripture that must be revealed, I guess. Did Q reveal this to you?
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    So that's your answer? Nothing in the verses you quoted mentions an 8th day. Must be one of those "secrets" in Scripture that must be revealed, I guess. Did Q reveal this to you?
    I asked you to count, and I highlighted where is was counted in Genesis 1 and 2. If you read with understanding; male (Adam in Hebrew is man, mankind) and female were created in God and the angels image on the sixth day. They were told go out into the world and be fruitful and multiply. The hunter gatherers.

    Then in Genesis 2, God didn't have a tiller of the ground--a farmer. God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. The man Adam in Hebrew is et haa-adam <----this is the man by which Jesus would come through, Umbilical cord to Umbilical cord.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner



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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    I asked you to count, and I highlighted where is was counted in Genesis 1 and 2. If you read with understanding; male (Adam in Hebrew is man, mankind) and female were created in God and the angels image on the sixth day. They were told go out into the world and be fruitful and multiply. The hunter gatherers.

    Then in Genesis 2, God didn't have a tiller of the ground--a farmer. God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. The man Adam in Hebrew is et haa-adam <----this is the man by which Jesus would come through, Umbilical cord to Umbilical cord.
    Genesis 2 is further explanation of what happened during the 7 days of creation. There is no mention of an 8th day anywhere in scripture, and to teach that God continued working on an "8th Day" completely contradicts the fact that God rested from ALL of his work on the 7th day.

    By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
    (Genesis 2:2)


    For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work."
    (Hebrews 4:4)
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

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    Last I knew, all of creation happened in six days and the Lord rested on the seventh day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Last I knew, all of creation happened in six days and the Lord rested on the seventh day.
    Yes. And not only that, his "rest" continues on to today, leaving no room for an "8th day"

    For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work." And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."

    It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience.

    Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts."

    For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.

    There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his.

    Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience
    .
    (Hebrews 4:4-11)
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Last I knew, all of creation happened in six days and the Lord rested on the seventh day.
    Genesis 1 through six list of things He created.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Yes. And not only that, his "rest" continues on to today, leaving no room for an "8th day"

    For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "And on the seventh day God rested from all his work." And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest."

    It still remains that some will enter that rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience.

    Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today, when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts."

    For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.

    There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his.

    Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience
    .
    (Hebrews 4:4-11)
    Jesus is a our Sabbath which means rest. I rest in him everyday.

    Hebrews 4
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    The 8th day will be the new and eternal creation at the end of time, the culmination of the cosmos in the Kingdom of Heaven.

    All races are descended from Adam.

    Didn’t watch the video, but the above I wrote is the universal teachings of the Saints.
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    'These things I command you, that you love one another.' - Jesus Christ

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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Ah, Arnold Murray! Thank you for revealing the cult. Now I understand where your Christian racist views are coming from.

    From THE CULTIC TEACHINGS OF ARNOLD MURRAY

    THE IMPLICIT RACISM OF ARNOLD MURRAY

    Anglo-Israel Origin

    Mr. Murray teaches Anglo-Israelism which believes that Anglo-Saxons are the chosen race, and America and Great Britain are the lost tribes of the children of Israel. Murray claims that the northern ten tribes of Israel are "the same tribes that later went north and populated Europe and North America". (The Shepherd's Chapel newsletter #148, 2-91) According to the theology of Anglo-Israelism, other races are inferior to whites, and usually the blacks and Jewish race are particularly stigmatized. Murray, on the other hand, says that he respects blacks and other races.

    However, he believes these races were the 'Adam' created on the sixth day of creation in Genesis 1, while the Anglo-Saxons were 'another Adam' created on the eighth day of creation based on his interpretation of Genesis 2. Hence, there is a definite distinction between whites and non-whites. Arnold Murray also promotes the literature of other Anglo-Israelism teachers. The Shepherd's Chapel Book List, for instance, offers materials by E. Raymond Capt and J. H. Allen.

    The Serpent Seed Doctrine and the Kenites

    Another central teaching of Arnold Murray is the serpent seed doctrine. According to Murray, Eve had sex with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. In 2 Corinthians 11:3, Murray uses the word "beguiled" to mean "wholly seduced". Hence, Murray claims the Serpent sexually seduced Eve who then became pregnant with Cain; the devil's literal offspring. Murray asserts that the offspring of Cain are called the "Kenites". He also states that the Kenites are not a race, "but a hybrid". (Genesis 1:1-6:22, tape #146) He thus seems to implicitly consider them to be less than human. Mr. Murray claims that many of the Kenites are Jewish! Based upon the "creed" of the Shepherd's Chapel, Murray states, "We believe in an existing Satan... who has a people who will not hear God (John 8:44-47)". (Our Statement of Faith, p.2) In John 8:44-47, the context clearly states that these people who are the "children of the devil" are Jews (8:31-58).

    Hence, Murray believes that Jesus is referring to these particular Jews as the literal offspring of Satan. Regarding the Jews he writes, "Now, who stands in Jerusalem today?.. the sons of Cain or those who will not accept Jesus Christ.. the Kenites, that founded a new nation starting in 1948."

    (The Shepherd's Bible, Commentary by Arnold Murray, 1979) He calls them "scum", and obviously makes the racial Jewish businessman remark when he states, "If you want to get a Kenite upset, bother his money table". (Parable of the Fig Tree, Tape #445)

    Murray connects these Jews with Cain by Christ's comment in John 8:44 that their father was a "murderer from the beginning.. To affirm these Jews as the offspring of Cain (i.e., the Kenites), Murray refers to Cain's murder of Abel in Genesis 4.0ne can only conclude that Mr. Murray has made statements that label him as a white supremacist. He might tell colored people to be proud of who they are, but then again, so do some white supremacists.

    The real questions the followers of Arnold Murray need to ask are: Does Arnold Murray think that non-whites are equal to whites in every respect? Does he approve of interracial Christian marriages like the Bible does? (Gen. 16; Num. 12 cL, Gen. 10:6 ~ Amos 9:7; Song of Sol. 1:5-7 cf., 3:7-11; 1 Cor. 7:39; Gal. 3:28 [note: The only type of marriage the Bible forbids is one between believer and nonbeliever: Ex. 34:14-16; 1 Cor. 7:39; 2 Cor. 6:14]) Would Mr. Murray let a black or a Christian of Jewish ancestry preach at his church-perhaps even take it over if he were to pass away? What does Murray think about the Jewish holocaust in World War II? What does he think about the Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan? These types of questions need to be addressed to Arnold Murray.

    The Biblical View of the Races

    The creation of man in Genesis 1 and 2 should not be interpreted as two separate Adams. Just like the Esau of Genesis 36:1-37:1 should not be considered a different Esau from the one mentioned in Genesis 25:1235:29 (cf. 1 Chron. 1:38-42), so the Adam mentioned in Genesis 1:1-2:3 should not be considered a different Adam than the one mentioned in Genesis 2:4-4:26. Genesis 1:1-2:3 simply focuses on the development of heaven and earth, while Genesis 2:4-4:26 focuses on the development of man. If Murray were consistent, he would have to say there must be a *third* Adam mentioned in Genesis 5:1,2 that is different from the previous two Adams!

    The Anglo-Israelism theory has been refuted, and virtually no reputable scholar or historian today would promote it. The Assyrian and Babylonian captivities in 722 B.C. and 586 B.C. forever ended the schism between Judah and Israel. From about that time on, the terms "Jew" and "Israelite" were used interchangeably. Further, there is no sufficient evidence that the Scythians (the supposed missing link between Israel and Great Britain) were ever connected with the ten tribes of Israel. By comparing the etymologies of English words from the most respected English dictionary (Oxford English Dictionary), there is simply no sufficient evidence to support any connection between the Anglo-Saxon and Hebrew tongues.

    The Old Testament also uses the children of Judah and the ten tribes of Israel together after the Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity in 536 AD. (Ezra 2:70; 6:17; 7:6-15; Neh. 7:73; 12:44-47; Zech. 1:19: 8:13; 10:6; cf. 2 Chron. 11:3-17; 15 9). Many of these texts are the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37:15-25 (cf. Jer. 31:27; 50:40).

    In the New Testament the Jews and the ten tribes of Israel are mentioned many times without any distinction made between them (e.g., Matt. 10:5,6; 15:24; Luke 2:36; 22:30; Acts 2:14,22,23,36; James 1:1; Rev. 7:4-8). Both Jesus and Paul were Jews (Matt. 27:11 cf. Rom. 9:1-4; Acts 21:39 cL, Rom. 11:1-2). Since all New Testament Christians are God's chosen people, racial distinctions no longer matter (John 1:12-13, Acts 10:34; 17:26 cf. Gen. 3:20 Rom. 8:14; 1 Pet.2:9; Col. 3:11; Gal.3:28; Rev. 5 9,10). All humanity has sinned (Rom. 3:23; 5:12-20), thus, as William H. Baker states, The so-called races must be equal, because sin is what produces undesirable traits, not race. (Moody Monthly, Equal Before God,. p.19, 1-87).

    The Myth of the Kenites

    The Jews of John 8:44 are not Kenites. Jesus was simply denouncing these particular Jews for their unbelief-as he and his apostles would denounce anyone as a child of the devil, Jew or Gentile, who refused to believe (Matt. 16:23; Eph. 2:1-3,11; 3:1; 1 John 3:9,10). Christ was calling them children of the devil because of what they believed, not because of who they were. Additionally, Jesus was not making a blanket judgment on all or even most Jews, but only this small group of Jews because they intended to kill him (John 8:40,44,58,59).

    Furthermore, it is not Cain who is the murderer in John 8:44, for Jesus says it is literally the devil who is the murderer. The murder mentioned in John 8:44 is not Cain's murder of Abel, but the devil causing death to occur upon all the human race when he instigated Adam and Eve to sin (Gen.2:17; 3:14,19; Rom.6:12). Anyone, whether Jew or Gentile (including Anglo-Saxons), are considered Satan's children if they refuse to believe in Christ (Gen. 3:15; Matt. 13:3643). This Seed of the Serpents is not Cain and his literal offspring, but only a figurative offspring. In other words, only those people (regardless of what race they belong to) who do not believe the gospel are the children of Satan because they follow their own sinful tendencies instead of accepting Christ (Matt. i6:23; John 6:70,71; Acts 5:3; 13:4-10; Rom. 5:12-19; 8:5-6; Eph. 2:1,2; 1 John 3:4-10).

    If there were any descendants of Cain (which there isn't), they could receive salvation too, because a number of people from all nationalities, tongues, tribes, and races will serve Christ (Rev. 5:9,10) just like a number of people from all races will serve Satan (Rev. 13:5-8).

    Furthermore, the Kenites mentioned in Jeremiah 35 and 1 Chronicles 2:55 are not the children of the Cain of Genesis 4. First of all, Scripture does not say that the Kenites are the children of the same Cain who slew Abel. Second, simply because both terms come from the same Hebrew word does not mean that all, some, or any Kenites are the descendants of the Cain who slew Abel. Apparently, "Cain" was a common name just like "Zechariah". The Bible records at least 33 men by the name of Zechariah, and not all of them were related (e.g., there is no relationship between these men who were all named Zachariah: 1 Chron. 5:7; 24:25; 2 Chron. 21:2; 2 Kings 14:29).

    Therefore, individuals can be called the descendants of Cain, but the Cain they are related to was not the same Cain who slew Abel in Genesis 4 (see for instance, the different Kenites mentioned in Gen. 5:12; Num. 24:21,22; Judges 1:16, and 1 Sam. 15:6).

    Third, some Kenites do acts of righteousness, and Jonadab the Rechabite could be considered a righteous man of God (1 Sam.15:6; 2 Kings 10:15,16,23,24; Jer. 35:12-16). It would be impossible for them to be commended for their righteousness by both God and the Israelites if they were "children of the devil".

    Furthermore, the whole doctrine of the serpent seed is flawed because nowhere in Scripture does it ever say word for word that Eve actually had sex with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. In 2 Corinthians 11:3 the word for "beguiled" (exanatao), should be rendered "wholly deceived" Just because Eve was fully deceived does not mean that she literally had sex with the Serpent. In other passages where this same Greek word is used, it is never connected with sex. In fact, if it were connected with sex, we would run into ridiculous conclusions like people literally having sex with their own minds (Rom. 16:18; cf., 1 Cor.3:18)1

    Also if Eve had to hide her nakedness because of her sex with the Serpent, we would have to conclude that Adam also had sex with the serpent (Gen. 3:6,7). It was out of a sexual relationship with Adam, not the Serpent, that Eve became impregnated with Cain. The New International Version correctly renders Genesis 4:1,2: Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain."

    There is also no evidence that Abel was the fraternal twin of Cain. The "again" of Genesis 4:2 does not indicate that Eve gave birth to Abel right after (whether a few minutes, hours, or days) she gave birth to Cain. Several years may have passed before Eve "bore again" by giving birth to

    Cain's brother Abel. Not to mention, Josephus writes that Cam was begotten by both Adam and Eve (Antiquities 1.2:1). Finally, even if Cain were the literal offspring of Satan, no descendent of Cain survived the flood of Noah.

    The Kenites and the Flood of Noah

    In order to support his view that the Kenites survived the flood, Murray misinterprets Genesis 6:7. Instead of adhering to the plain meaning of the text in which God says that he will wipe out all mankind, Murray claims that this phrase is a figure of speech which means that he'll wipe out "more or less" everything. (Tape #146) According to Murray, it cannot mean that God would wipe out absolutely everyone, because Noah and his family survived the flood.

    In the same context, however, the Bible states that the only exception to this flood would be Noah and his family because Noah was a righteous man (Gen. 6:8-9). All the rest of humanity would be completely wiped out (cL 7:19-23).

    God told Noah the reason why He would destroy all humans was because mankind had become wicked (6:10-13). If the purpose of the flood was to wipe out sin, then why would God allow some of the "wicked Kenites" to survive? The only logical explanation is to believe that God wiped out all mankind, including all the Kenites.

    Additionally, in Genesis 9:11 God promises Noah that He would never again destroy all flesh by means of a flood. But if this flood were merely a local community flood which did not even reach the people of the land of Nod, as Murray claims, then God must have lied because we still have had hundreds of local floods over the years. The only way to affirm that God kept His promise is to believe that this flood universally destroyed all human life. Regardless of whether one believes that the flood of Noah covered the entire earth, or only a portion of it, the evidence is clear that this flood destroyed all mankind except for one family. Other cultures testify to this as well.

    *In order to escape this evidence, Murray makes the assertion that some Kenites actually managed to get on board of Noah's ark. Since Noah took Two of every flesh,. Murray concludes that he also took two Kenites on board! (Kenites, Tape #436).

    The Bible, however, clearly affirms that Noah, his wife, and his three sons and their wives were the only humans who survived the flood (Gen.6:18; 9:18,19; 2 Pet.2:5). In order to be true to Scripture Murray must either conclude that absolutely no Kenites survived the flood, or admit that he is a racist for believing the Kenites cannot really be considered human. He appears to hold the latter by saying the Kenites are not a race, "but a hybrid". (Tape #146)

    Nevertheless, even if the Kenites were less than human, they still committed sin according to Murray. And as mentioned earlier, the purpose of the flood was to wipe out sin and wickedness. If any Kenite survived the flood, then God failed to achieve His purpose. Thus, either God made a mistake, or Arnold Murray made a mistake. Since God is perfect, and Murray isn't, we must conclude that Murray is wrong, God is right, and there are no Kenites alive today.

    ARNOLD MURRAY'S FAULTY INTERPRETATIONS

    Most of Arnold Murray's heretical teaching comes from a subtle misinterpreting of Scripture. He commonly manipulates the original Greek and Hebrew languages, abuses the use of symbols and numerics, interprets Scripture out of context, and makes use of selective citations. BY emphasizing to his audience that he has the correct, almost "secret" meaning of the text that most scholars have ignored or overlooked, Murray can get a passage of Scripture to mean almost anything he desires it to. He claims that the majority of Christians have been wrong from the beginning regarding their understanding of Scripture. (Parable of the Fig Tree, tape #445)

    Mr. Murray commonly uses King James English instead of examining the original languages whenever the English translation supports his view-but when it contradicts his view, he will attempt to support his view by means of the original languages. For instance, he uses the Old English word "replenish" to mean "repopulate" in Genesis 1:28 in order to support the widely disreputed "gap theory". (e.g., tape #146) This theory alleges that there was an earth age of millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. Murray states that Adam repopulated the earth. (e.g., tape #146) However, the Hebrew word for "replenish" is "malah" which, in all 306 times it occurs in Scripture, simply means "to fill", not "refill". The Oxford English Dictionary demonstrates that replenish simply meant "fill" from the 13th to the 17th century when the King James Version was translated. This is why Murray does not refer to the Hebrew of this passage. This is just one of many examples of how Murray deliberately deceives his followers by withholding the truth from them.

    It should be noted that the original languages are not necessarily the most important aspect of interpreting Scripture, and numerics and symbols are of little value. The simple reading of a text within its proper context, and comparing this in light of all biblical passages that relate to that text remains the most important principle of interpreting Scripture.

    Murray does very little of this. His usual method is to let either the root meaning of a particular word, or figurative language and symbols dictate what the text means while ignoring the context and passages that contradict his claims. We encourage the followers of Arnold Murray to do their own study of the Scriptures without Murray's aid. By applying sound principles of interpretation, we are confident they will come up with a completely different view than that of Mr. Murray.
    Last edited by Created4; 06-12-2020 at 01:36 PM.
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)



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    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  21. #18
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Ah, Arnold Murray! Thank you for revealing the cult. Now I understand where your Christian racist views are coming from.

    From THE CULTIC TEACHINGS OF ARNOLD MURRAY

    .
    You are too lazy to figure it out on your own? I pray that you figure it out and stop listening to men who love to deceive.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You are too lazy to figure it out on your own? I pray that you figure it out and stop listening to men who love to deceive.
    Actually, that's what you are doing. I have studied the Bible for over 40 years, have a BA in New Testament Greek so I can study it in the original language, and can easily spot heresay when I see it. I spotted it the moment you posted this, and then you revealed your source, which is the teaching of a man. But refuting the heresay of an "8th Day of Creation" can be done by anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of the Scriptures.

    I have also pointed out your Christian racisim in previous posts before I even knew you followed the teachings of Murray.
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Actually, that's what you are doing. I have studied the Bible for over 40 years, have a BA in New Testament Greek so I can study it in the original language, and can easily spot heresay when I see it. I spotted it the moment you posted this, and then you revealed your source, which is the teaching of a man. But refuting the heresay of an "8th Day of Creation" can be done by anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of the Scriptures.

    I have also pointed out your Christian racisim in previous posts before I even knew you followed the teachings of Murray.

    So are you some kind of scholar? What tools do you use when you study the Bible? I use The Companion Bible, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and the Green's Interlinear. You are fluent in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and Chaldean? Because if you are not you have to understand that words in Hebrew and Greek may look alike but mean different things. You have to have a good teacher to begin with (which Pastor Murray is), and the tools to study with understanding.

    You should also know that judging people is a sin. There is but one Judge. God gives us the gift of discernment--of course that is if you study with understanding His WORD.

    Calling me or anyone racist for pointing these things out shows your ignorance. One of the very reasons for the problems we are having today in our society. You have been obviously fooled by those who want to deceive in order to think I am being racists by point out God's WORD.
    Last edited by donnay; 06-12-2020 at 03:56 PM.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You should also know that judging people is a sin.
    I am not judging you as a person and whether or not you are saved. I don't know you, and that is between you and God.

    I AM judging what you say, and we are commanded to do exactly that in scripture:

    Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
    (1 John 4:1)

    "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
    (Matthew 7:15)

    But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
    (2 Peter 2:1)

    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    You have to have a good teacher to begin with (which Pastor Murray is)
    Thank you for admitting that you are relying on the teaching of man, and not simply the scriptures, which were written in the common language of the people, so anyone could understand them directly with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and do not need an "expert" to teach them.

    As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
    (1 John 2:27)

    So answer this question Donnay: Do you believe Anglo-Saxons are the chosen race?
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    I am not judging you as a person and whether or not you are saved. I don't know you, and that is between you and God.

    I AM judging what you say, and we are commanded to do exactly that in scripture:

    Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
    (1 John 4:1)
    So how do you test the spirits? Hint: With gift of discernment from studying God's WORD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. (Matthew 7:15)
    Again by studying HIS WORD you would have the gift of discernment to know who is a false prophet.


    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. (2 Peter 2:1)
    So you have any idea what you are talking about? Who is denying anything here, but you? Do you even know the scriptures you posted or they just sound good to try and make your argument?



    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Thank you for admitting that you are relying on the teaching of man, and not simply the scriptures, which were written in the common language of the people, so anyone could understand them directly with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and do not need an "expert" to teach them.
    You're wrong there are good teachers and there are bad. I trust no man, and to verify what Pastor Murray teaches, I study it. You trusted in a man's word (above) to smear Pastor Murray so what's your excuse? Satan has infiltrated religions a long time ago. I certainly feel sorry for all those who teach falsely. God's wrath will be poured on them first.

    1 Peter 4:17 KJV
    17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him. (1 John 2:27)
    Jeremiah 3:15

    “And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.”

    Ephesians 4:11-16
    King James Version


    11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
    14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
    15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
    16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.


    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    So answer this question Donnay: Do you believe Anglo-Saxons are the chosen race?
    Who said anything about the Anglo-Saxons being the chosen race? You are as bad as people who think being a Jew is the chosen race.

    God is not a respecter of persons. He loves all His children who believe in Jesus Christ, repent daily, and are compassionate of others and do HIS will.

    Acts 10:34 tells us that God is not a respecter of persons. Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, “Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons . . .” Acts 10:34 (KJV) The Greek word that is translated as “respecter” is prosopolemptes. It means “to show favoritism.”

    One of the scriptures in signature post:

    Hosea 4:6
    "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."
    Last edited by donnay; 06-12-2020 at 05:33 PM.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  27. #24
    For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    Exodus 20:11

    If there were races pre flood...there weren't immediately thereafter.

    These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.

    Genesis 9:19
    Last edited by tfurrh; 06-12-2020 at 10:59 PM.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate



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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You know why god created the universe in 7 days? Because seven ate nine.
    I don't even know where Timbuk one is.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You know why god created the universe in 7 days? Because seven ate nine.
    Its also the reason why 6 is afraid of 7.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by tfurrh View Post
    For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    Exodus 20:11

    If there were races pre flood...there weren't immediately thereafter.

    These three were the sons of Noah, and from these the whole earth was populated.

    Genesis 9:19
    Here are some answers for you: https://worldeventsandthebible.com/b...er-noahs-flood
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  33. #29
    Here is a Bible Study for anyone interested in getting to the Truth.

    Did We All Come From Adam And Eve?
    https://worldeventsandthebible.com/b...m-adam-and-eve
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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