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    Record Amount of Money being Printed: What's the End Game here??

    Ron Paul showed a chart in his show that is truly shocking:



    Ron's show today had all the usual warnings about printing too much money, talking about how this cannot go on forever, and that the bubble will burst at some point, etc.

    They predicted prices will start going up, with the government also stepping in to do price controlling.

    We have seen this already where they gave the farmers a couple of billion dollars a couple of weeks ago to bring meat prices back down, due to the shortages caused by the processing plants bottle neck.

    Tyler Durden over at Zerohedge is saying that the jobs report that came out today was based on fake numbers. See:

    This Makes No Sense: In Month When US Was Shut Down, BLS Estimated That 345K New Businesses Were Formed

    Does anyone have a clue as to what the end game is here? Because this sure as hell is something planned with a goal in mind. We have never seen anything like this.

    Most of the stimulus funds is going to Big Pharma, by far, with a significant chunk of that for vaccines (which Trump in his press conference repeatedly bragged about: "We're going to have a vaccine very soon....")

    So since so huge of a transfer of wealth is happening at warp speed by printing money that a significant portion of is going right to Big Pharma, are we looking at a socialism take over of the economy?

    The medical industry can now easily afford to continue offering healthcare (really medical services because "health" has nothing to do with it) for free.

    And if they continue with stimulus checks to the people, you basically have Universal Basic Income.

    Then, they can pretty much do whatever they want to push their medical products, with vaccines at the forefront, and if you refuse to take their products, they just cut you off from all the feebie services they are providing and leave you high and dry with no where else to go.

    This is the perfect scenario to roll out a mandatory covid vaccine. You might not even be able to buy food in the future without your vaccine certificate.

    Make plans NOW if you don't want to participate in this. Because I have this horrible feeling that this is where we are heading, but nobody is saying anything like this yet, it is all happening so quickly....
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    Endgame of any money printing is Hyperinflation.

    Expect to see the cost of everything skyrocket very soon. So spend now on things you need before you can not afford toilet paper.

    Actually, I should clarify that term. Its not really Money Printing as Money is backed by something which acts as a Natural Limiter on how much can be "printed". Gold is an Element, so it can not be printed. All there is today in gold is all there was 100 years ago and will be exactly the same 100 years from now. Even if it is buried and has not been unearthed yet, gold is only created during the death of dying stars. That is exactly why it is perfect to use as a way to back Money.

    Currency on the other hand is literally just paper. It gets its value from Stock Market fluctuations, derivatives, circulation, etc, or the thousand other things that factor in. It gets its value by stealing value from the existing currency supply. Currencies ALWAYS collapse under their own weight. Money, REAL Money, like the stuff Ron Paul talks about, ALWAYS retains ALL of its value.

    I am so glad Zippy is Perma-banned...
    Last edited by DamianTV; 06-05-2020 at 12:16 PM.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

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    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Endgame of any money printing is Hyperinflation.

    Expect to see the cost of everything skyrocket very soon. So spend now on things you need before you can not afford toilet paper.
    Thats not a sure thing. Costs of things are based on a number of different factors. Even the price of gold could plummet if they found a metric $#@! ton of it somewhere. The value of the debt could plummet while the economy soars. There is no such thing as a sure thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Thats not a guarantee. Costs of things are based on a number of different factors. Even the price of gold could plummet if they found a metric $#@! ton of it somewhere. The value of the debt could plummet while the economy soars.
    I think we should try to think about this inversely.

    If the price of gold goes up, that means the value of the currency has gone down.
    If the price of gold goes down, that also means the value of the currency has gone up.

    I still believe that the US Dollar should be backed by Gold and Silver, and nothing else, as the Constitution demands.

    But those in power do not want that, at all. If the US was still on the Gold Standard, then resisting by not paying taxes would actually influence Elected Official decisions. But that really is not the case. The taxes we pay goes to the Central Banks, not the Govt. Govt gets its money from the Central Banks, so the US Govt answers to the Banks, not the people.

    Not paying taxes is an effective way of Peacefully Protesting.

    Trouble is that this system is not stable and can not last forever. And we are at Endgame, as the thread title stated. This currency system has reached the end of its cycle. Hence why we now have the Davos Group making statements like "Now is the time for a 'Great Reset'".
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    I think we should try to think about this inversely.

    If the price of gold goes up, that means the value of the currency has gone down.
    If the price of gold goes down, that also means the value of the currency has gone up.

    I still believe that the US Dollar should be backed by Gold and Silver, and nothing else, as the Constitution demands.

    But those in power do not want that, at all. If the US was still on the Gold Standard, then resisting by not paying taxes would actually influence Elected Official decisions. But that really is not the case. The taxes we pay goes to the Central Banks, not the Govt. Govt gets its money from the Central Banks, so the US Govt answers to the Banks, not the people.

    Not paying taxes is an effective way of Peacefully Protesting.

    Trouble is that this system is not stable and can not last forever. And we are at Endgame, as the thread title stated. This currency system has reached the end of its cycle. Hence why we now have the Davos Group making statements like "Now is the time for a 'Great Reset'".
    Look at it this way. If gas shot up in cost over night would we do nothing? Or would we try to produce it at a lower cost using a different method or a different energy transport technology that has a lower cost?? You think 64 core CPUs are new but they are not. They got cheaper to produce. There could very well be a gold rush on the Moon if the price of gold went up. There are large deposits of rare earth metals on the moon that are right on the surface because there hasnt been any volcanic activity in a billion years. The moon would be a planet if it wasnt orbiting earth.

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    Gold has just as much value as anything else that humans value. Humans could just say I don't value gold anymore and then all the sudden all you have are pretty rocks that no one else wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Gold has just as much value as anything else that humans value. Humans could just say I don't value gold anymore and then all the sudden all you have are pretty rocks that no one else wants.
    Mansa Musa made his pilgrimage between 1324 and 1325.[21][22] His procession reportedly included 60,000 men, all wearing brocade and Persian silk, including 12,000 slaves,[23] who each carried 1.8 kg (4 lb) of gold bars, and heralds dressed in silks, who bore gold staffs, organized horses, and handled bags. Musa provided all necessities for the procession, feeding the entire company of men and animals.[20] Those animals included 80 camels which each carried 23–136 kg (50–300 lb) of gold dust. Musa gave the gold to the poor he met along his route. Musa not only gave to the cities he passed on the way to Mecca, including Cairo and Medina, but also traded gold for souvenirs. It was reported that he built a mosque every Friday.[24]

    Musa's journey was documented by several eyewitnesses along his route, who were in awe of his wealth and extensive procession, and records exist in a variety of sources, including journals, oral accounts, and histories. Musa is known to have visited the Mamluk sultan of Egypt, Al-Nasir Muhammad, in July 1324.[25] Because of his nature of giving, Musa's massive spending and generous donations created a massive ten year gold recession. In the cities of Cairo, Medina, and Mecca, the sudden influx of gold devalued the metal significantly. Prices of goods and wares became greatly inflated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Look at it this way. If gas shot up in cost over night would we do nothing? Or would we try to produce it at a lower cost using a different method or a different energy transport technology that has a lower cost??
    So? Money is not oil. Fiat currency is infinitely cheap to produce. This fiat currency isn't about to crash because it's scarce. The problem is the supply now rivals tree leaves for quantity.

    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Gold has just as much value as anything else that humans value. Humans could just say I don't value gold anymore and then all the sudden all you have are pretty rocks that no one else wants.
    But of course that's not going to happen. We can't possibly count all the fiat currencies that have been created, used and overproduced, and have now crashed into the dustbin of history. But in all recorded history, gold has held value to humans.

    No, that doesn't guarantee it always will. But with the world's reserve currency teetering on the brink, I can guarantee people won't all decide it's worthless tomorrow.

    As for a gold rush on the moon, well, the Yukon's lack of heat may not have stopped prospectors. But a lack of oxygen would. So stop being silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Mansa Musa made his pilgrimage between 1324 and 1325.[21][22] His procession reportedly included 60,000 men, all wearing brocade and Persian silk, including 12,000 slaves,[23] who each carried 1.8 kg (4 lb) of gold bars, and heralds dressed in silks, who bore gold staffs, organized horses, and handled bags. Musa provided all necessities for the procession, feeding the entire company of men and animals.[20] Those animals included 80 camels which each carried 23–136 kg (50–300 lb) of gold dust. Musa gave the gold to the poor he met along his route. Musa not only gave to the cities he passed on the way to Mecca, including Cairo and Medina, but also traded gold for souvenirs. It was reported that he built a mosque every Friday.[24]

    Musa's journey was documented by several eyewitnesses along his route, who were in awe of his wealth and extensive procession, and records exist in a variety of sources, including journals, oral accounts, and histories. Musa is known to have visited the Mamluk sultan of Egypt, Al-Nasir Muhammad, in July 1324.[25] Because of his nature of giving, Musa's massive spending and generous donations created a massive ten year gold recession. In the cities of Cairo, Medina, and Mecca, the sudden influx of gold devalued the metal significantly. Prices of goods and wares became greatly inflated.
    A nice example of supply and demand. But if people who are using something besides gold now need to use it for trade later, then it's demand that will spike, not supply.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, wow, Anthony Weiner, too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    A nice example of supply and demand. But if people who are using something besides gold now need to use it for trade later, then it's demand that will spike, not supply.
    The demand went down for gold while the availability went up. The opposite can be true as well. Plus this shows that if someone can merely control the availability of gold they can cause the price to plummet. So its a good storage of value but not necessarily a perfect one. As long as the quantities or demand are not forced. If you force people to value gold and silver in order to guarantee that demand doesnt fall for gold that isnt any more liberty. Competition without forced units of value is the best and only way to prevent fraud and abuse of any monetary system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Endgame of any money printing is Hyperinflation.

    Expect to see the cost of everything skyrocket very soon.
    I just think there is more to it than this. And they have been controlling pricing so that costs really have not gone up yet, as they are doing with agriculture right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So? Money is not oil. Fiat currency is infinitely cheap to produce. This fiat currency isn't about to crash because it's scarce. The problem is the supply now rivals tree leaves for quantity.



    But of course that's not going to happen. We can't possibly count all the fiat currencies that have been created, used and overproduced, and have now crashed into the dustbin of history. But in all recorded history, gold has held value to humans.

    No, that doesn't guarantee it always will. But with the world's reserve currency teetering on the brink, I can guarantee people won't all decide it's worthless tomorrow.

    As for a gold rush on the moon, well, the Yukon's lack of heat may not have stopped prospectors. But a lack of oxygen would. So stop being silly.
    History teaches a lot but it also gives people this pretense of knowledge. If golds value held better than fiat than if it was legal to own gold in a country people would stop holding fiat. The fact that people hold fiat and demand it more than gold means that the value is inherent. People value American fiat because it represents liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    If the price of gold goes up, that means the value of the currency has gone down.
    If the price of gold goes down, that also means the value of the currency has gone up.
    Ron said today that the price of gold is "rigged." So I don't think we even really know what the true value of gold is right now, especially physical gold.

    Today, for example, the market is up on just about everything, but gold has been down about $40 an ounce. How does that even make sense? Probably only because people are selling their "paper" gold to get stocks after the fake positive jobs report today...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    I just think there is more to it than this. And they have been controlling pricing so that costs really have not gone up yet, as they are doing with agriculture right now.
    6000 years of history isnt even a lot if you look at the entire history of mankind its like an year to a lifetime. Humans are hundreds of thousands of years old.

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    This conversation about gold is silly. It's also only tangentially related to the thread topic. It's a deflection, a distraction, and a thread hijack.

    Does anyone have something to say about the question the OP asked?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    This conversation about gold is silly. But it's only tangentially related to the thread topic. It's a deflection, a distraction, and a thread hijack.

    Does anyone have something to say about the question the OP asked.
    Nice derail. The quantity of something doesnt constitue its value. American fiat retains its value because it represents liberty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    This conversation about gold is silly. It's also only tangentially related to the thread topic. It's a deflection, a distraction, and a thread hijack.

    Does anyone have something to say about the question the OP asked?
    I put forward my theory, which is universal free healthcare since they no longer have to charge for their services since the government is funding it, but to get it, in return, you will need to comply with certain things, like possibly a covid ID that shows whether or not you have been vaccinated.

    I haven't looked at the new proposed stimulus package breakdown yet, but I predict it will include a bail out for the hospitals, the one sector of Big Pharma that has suffered through this so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    I put forward my theory, which is universal free healthcare since they no longer have to charge for their services since the government is funding it, but to get it, in return, you will need to comply with certain things, like possibly a covid ID that shows whether or not you have been vaccinated.

    I haven't looked at the new proposed stimulus package breakdown yet, but I predict it will include a bail out for the hospitals, the one sector of Big Pharma that has suffered through this so far.
    We are in a cold war. Geopolitical strategies are changing. America ia funding emerging sciences and frontiers in medical technologies. Healthcare has been a boondoggle for 40 years and is crashing because they cant control prices on it anymore.

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    This is a spiritual war. They are psychologically attacking our country with propaganda. They are buying up industries that sustained our middle class and lower class. They are pitting us against eachother by race religion and especially rich vs poor. They know that freedom is an idea and that if people stop believing in it they can enslave us without a fight. Enemies foreign and domestic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/USAB4L/status/1268998248347373579
    The value of dollars also functionally increases when there is a larger variety of stuff you can buy with them even if the quantity of dollars is artificially increased. Its not designed to be a storage of value it just functionally is the most preferred method. These large corporations that have stopped taking cash are effectively trying to devalue the currency in order to destroy the country from within.

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    The end game is hyperinflation, but the next game is stagflation; that's the one to be focused on at the moment.

    And it's likely to go on for longer than many of us might think.

    To wit:

    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    American fiat retains its value because it represents liberty.
    That sounds like a joke, but it's true to an extent. The US can get away with much more reckless behavior than most because the US is still a relatively attractive location for investing. As spending and regulation get worse, the political system becomes less stable, growth slows, and real rates drop further, that's going to change, but it's not going to happen overnight (I think and hope).
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    The end game is hyperinflation, but the next game is stagflation; that's the one to be focused on at the moment.

    And it's likely to go on for longer than many of us might think.
    Another text book answer. And while I don't disagree, I think there's a greater goal here for the end game.
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    This is exactly what I thought should have been done and the Fed/I look like geniuses right now. It was 1929 and the Fed went right to Milton Friedman playbook and went big to stop a deflationary death spiral. I won't take a victory lap and rub the noses in the Schiffites, who gleefully wanted the Fed to let the world end, on this because I don't think things are out of the woods and there will be a lot of bankruptcies to come but have to say, this might be the greatest monetary policy response by government ever. Still just cautiously optimistic but here are some more optimistic takes from people who were right about everything after 2008:


    https://www.themoneyillusion.com/hap...-stock-market/


    The entire recession lasted for two months. And no, the recovery was not entirely due to the end of lockdowns, as the data was mostly collected in the second week of May, when many big states were still closed down. (We’ll know more when we get the state-by-state data. It’s gradually getting safer out there, and businesses are finding creative ways to shield customers from the virus.

    PPS. This also removes the last shred of doubt as to whether the slow recovery from 2008-09 was caused by tight money or real factors. It was tight money. Case closed.

    The shortest recession ever – unemployment will be below 6% in November https://marketmonetarist.com/2020/06...6-in-november/

    However, I am now for the first time in more than a decade beginning to think that the risk is that the Fed could err on the upside in terms of overshooting its inflation target....

    In fact I have over the past week (on Twitter) been arguing that we might even get a rate hike before the end of the year (yes, this year…) from the Federal Reserve.


    The paradox of all of this is the Fed did such a good job that they might actually have to raise rates which would be bad for the stock market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post


    Does anyone have a clue as to what the end game is here? Because this sure as hell is something planned with a goal in mind. We have never seen anything like this.
    Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe Powell is doing a great job and the end game is just an economy back into expansion and Ron Paul doesn't understand monetary policy at all. You would think that possibility would at least cross your mind after how ridiculously wrong he was after 2008.

    This wisdom from St. Milton should be rubbed in the noses of Austrians like rubbing a dogs nose in pee whenever you have a deflationary crisis.

    The answer is straightforward: The Bank of Japan can buy government bonds on the open market, paying for them with either currency or deposits at the Bank of Japan, what economists call high-powered money. Most of the proceeds will end up in commercial banks, adding to their reserves and enabling them to expand their liabilities by loans and open market purchases. But whether they do so or not, the money supply will increase.


    There is no limit to the extent to which the Bank of Japan can increase the money supply if it wishes to do so. Higher monetary growth will have the same effect as always. After a year or so, the economy will expand more rapidly; output will grow, and after another delay, inflation will increase moderately. A return to the conditions of the late 1980s would rejuvenate Japan and help shore up the rest of Asia.
    https://www.hoover.org/research/reviving-japan

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Gold has just as much value as anything else that humans value. Humans could just say I don't value gold anymore and then all the sudden all you have are pretty rocks that no one else wants.
    Well if you don't want it, I'll take it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe Powell is doing a great job and the end game is just an economy back into expansion and Ron Paul doesn't understand monetary policy at all.
    No, I have never considered that at all. Take a look at the graphic up above in the OP again.

    This is uncharted territory. Nobody has ever seen anything like this before, and people who keep throwing stones at those they don't agree with don't really have a clue, in my opinion.

    If you don't like the teachings of Ron Paul, what are you doing in his forums??
    Last edited by Created4; 06-06-2020 at 09:07 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    maybe Powell is doing a great job and the end game is just an economy back into expansion
    The Fed Funds Rate peaked at about 9.8% in 1989, 6.5% in 2000, 5.25% in 2007, and 2.4% in 2019.

    In each of the last three cycles, GDP growth rates declined, from about 4% to 3% to 2.5%.

    The number of zombie firms as a share of the total has increased about 6x over this period.

    Any thoughts on where these trends are leading?

    No icebergs ahead?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    This is exactly what I thought should have been done and the Fed/I look like geniuses right now. It was 1929 and the Fed went right to Milton Friedman playbook and went big to stop a deflationary death spiral.
    Printing money and buying things causes the prices of those things to rise?

    You don't say...

    The "Schiffites" never said that the Fed couldn't or wouldn't do what they did.

    We said they shouldn't, for reasons to become increasingly apparent (see above).
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    Well we haven't had the Peter Schiff hyper inflation yet. They shut down our economy to stop money velocity to allow them to print. Prices haven't reflected yet because the economy is fully opened.

    It's almost like the plan is to wipe off debt by blaming foreign countries who have leached off us. The debt disappears. The FED was also distributing US dollars to other central banks.

    Meanwhile fed is suppressing the gold prices. What happens when the spot price and the real market place aren't aligned? What happens when people demand delivery of the GLD? Maybe a plan is in the works to break the comex?

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