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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Black Woman giving back Brick handed out by White Anarchists | Riots 2020


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4buxiLIQT8
    I love this woman



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    So, we need more government. Because government turns a blind eye and let's them destroy whatever they want. Makes perfect sense.
    More government? These laws and authorities have already been claimed by the federal government. There is nothing new here.

  4. #93
    https://twitter.com/Breaking911/stat...12624703479809

    Surely these are just a group of patriotic freedom fighters.
    Last edited by fcreature; 06-01-2020 at 11:56 PM.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Yeah its the easy way out to deal with these looters and arsonists. But it's a slippery slope and I can't support it.
    where have you been? the universities are festering this bull$#@! communism, and terrorism. the rioters in scottsdale fashion square mall were mostly WHITE.. they live right by ASU, I KNOW they go to ASU.
    It was too weird to live, and too rare to die - hunter s. thompson .
    ..this is the darkest timeline..

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by misterx View Post
    I love this woman
    shes gorgeous for doing that, BUT hopefully she doesnt believe in other bull$#@!. anyhow I respect women like this , shes beautiful for doing this.
    It was too weird to live, and too rare to die - hunter s. thompson .
    ..this is the darkest timeline..

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Thanks. Do you have a link or source for this, and what this designation means?
    "The most visible and immediately effective tactic of U.S. terrorist financing strategy has been designating and blocking the accounts of terrorists and those associated with financing terrorist activity."

    http://www.faqs.org/espionage/Te-Uk/...of-Assets.html

    It's a long article. It explains the various federal laws and EO's used to do this.



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  9. #97
    I cannot stand ANTIFA. I think it would be a good idea for their funding to be investigated. But, I also believe it is a very dangerous precedent for our government to start labeling a U.S. group as terrorists. I haven't forgotten about the Patriot Act. Have some of you?

    We already have plenty of laws to arrest the people planning these events and those starting the fires and doing the looting. The problem is not a label; the problem in my opinion is that Governors are not acting. Most have just sat on their asses and allowed their cities to be looted and burned. Disgusting.

    But, please don't get me wrong. I detest them!!!
    Last edited by LibertyEagle; 06-02-2020 at 04:40 AM.
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  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica View Post
    where have you been? the universities are festering this bull$#@! communism, and terrorism. the rioters in scottsdale fashion square mall were mostly WHITE.. they live right by ASU, I KNOW they go to ASU.
    We have known that since the 1950s. We also found out then, thanks to Dodd and the Reece Commission, that most tax-exempt Foundations were full of marxists. Nothing was done.

    I hate it too. How is designating Antifa a terrorist organization going to fix anything?
    Last edited by LibertyEagle; 06-02-2020 at 04:39 AM.
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  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    I cannot stand ANTIFA. I think it would be a good idea for their funding to be investigated. But, I also believe it is a very dangerous precedent for our government to start labeling a U.S. group as terrorists. I haven't forgotten about the Patriot Act. Have some of you?

    We already have plenty of laws to arrest the people planning these events and those starting the fires and doing the looting. The problem is not a label; the problem in my opinion is that Governors are not acting. Most have just sat on their asses and allowed their cities to be looted and burned. Disgusting.
    Governors are government figureheads, a free people doesn't need some suit to guide them in defending their property or liberty, what a free people needs from the figurehead is for them to remove all legal obstacles from them defending their lives and their property.

    Reliance on government brought us this mess why would further reliance end it?

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
    Governors are government figureheads, a free people doesn't need some suit to guide them in defending their property or liberty, what a free people needs from the figurehead is for them to remove all legal obstacles from them defending their lives and their property.

    Reliance on government brought us this mess why would further reliance end it?
    I certainly agree with removing the obstacles from citizens defending their own property and liberty. But, I will also point out that one of the legitimate purposes of government is to protect the property and liberty of American citizens.
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  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    I certainly agree with removing the obstacles from citizens defending their own property and liberty. But, I will also point out that one of the legitimate purposes of government is to protect the property and liberty of American citizens.
    Government has failed in that vein for decades now, pretending otherwise doesn't make sense.

    Maybe government is capable of defending the borders still but they've failed time and again on the granular level.

    What they've succeeded at is growing and gathering lucre, not causes a free people should support....At least not if they want to be free.

  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by fcreature View Post
    More government? These laws and authorities have already been claimed by the federal government. There is nothing new here.
    So whenever government claims a authority or makes a unconstitutional law just go with it right? Pretty sweet until it's aimed at you. This is already the problem and the reason cities are burning, government making it's own rules.
    "The Patriarch"

  15. #103
    Really bad precedent to set by declaring groups as terrorist organizations. Remember SPLC? Remember how this grew to start effecting the Liberty movement? Attack the crime not the collective. People on here defending this moron doing this can't see the bigger picture. If he can do this then the next guy might deem your little organization not acceptable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever..... just like Trump said.



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  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Cutlerzzz View Post
    So what’s the precedent?
    How about when Obama drone bombed an American citizen without a trial?
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever..... just like Trump said.



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Famous quote is appropriate:

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist

    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist

    Then they came for the trade unionists...
    etc. etc.
    Wait a minute! THESE are the people rioting! And THEY are the ones that will be coming for me - once they reach my neighborhood.

    Are we to pretend 'antifa' might actually be a well-meaning bunch? By this standard, one could take a look at the German Nazis and say that some of them weren't really bad, so each should've been dealt with on an individual basis. How would that have worked out?

  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Wait a minute! THESE are the people rioting! And THEY are the ones that will be coming for me - once they reach my neighborhood.

    Are we to pretend 'antifa' might actually be a well-meaning bunch? By this standard, one could take a look at the German Nazis and say that some of them weren't really bad, so each should've been dealt with on an individual basis. How would that have worked out?
    See, that's how problem - reaction - solution works. Someone (often a boogeyman created by your alleged protectors) scares the $#@! out of you, and you throw your rights away for the empty promise of protection. And mine too.

    How is that working out?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, wow, Anthony Weiner, too?

  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    See, that's how problem - reaction - solution works. Someone (often a boogeyman created by your alleged protectors) scares the $#@! out of you, and you throw your rights away for the empty promise of protection. And mine too.

    How is that working out?

    And somehow we become the bad ones who see between the lines and continue to stand on principle. They never learn.

    + Rep @acptulsa
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    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Really bad precedent to set by declaring groups as terrorist organizations. Remember SPLC? Remember how this grew to start effecting the Liberty movement? Attack the crime not the collective. People on here defending this moron doing this can't see the bigger picture. If he can do this then the next guy might deem your little organization not acceptable.
    Bad precedent maybe, but SPLC was NOT a government agency! They were wrongfully given all the power and respect normally reserved for government agencies. They received all that power from corrupt democrats who have infiltrated our government and have been working against the will of the people for many years.

    If antifa is designated a terrorist organization, the government has a legal basis to use resources to go after and punish all the people (corrupt democrats) who donate funds, supplies, buses, bricks, legal services, bail, etc., to them. People like Keith Ellison, all those pea-brained celebrities and George Soros.
    Last edited by Valli6; 06-03-2020 at 03:38 PM.

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    See, that's how problem - reaction - solution works. Someone (often a boogeyman created by your alleged protectors) scares the $#@! out of you, and you throw your rights away for the empty promise of protection. And mine too.

    How is that working out?
    I don't see this line of thinking as accurate. They don't "scare the $#@!" out of me. I'm just aware that they have ill intentions and cant be trusted. Antifa doesn't exist to protect my, or anyone elses' rights! And I'm not merely "reacting" to this latest set of riots. I've been watching this thing fester and unfold for over a decade. I see an insurrection fomented by persons with bad and unconstitutional intentions, and many of those people hold positions of power within our government. Antifa has been heavily recruiting mush-minded children from colleges and universities since all throughout Obama's administration. Now, I understand why colleges and universities were amongst Obamas TOP donors in 2008 - second only the to the banks!

    Eight or ten years ago, fusion centers - which are actual government agencies - labeled me a likely terrorist because I had a Ron Paul bumper sticker. The DOJ kept reporting that "white supremacist" were our biggest domestic terrorist threat. They used info from the corrupt SPLC as a basis to make these determinations. The "government' didn't protect me then from this abuse of power, because the criminals had already infiltrated the government! How do you remove the criminals from power if you aren't willing to acknowledge that there has been an orchestrated plan in effect for years - a plan that is anti-US Constitution and anti-American citizen? A plan that has been aided and abetted by persons holding positions of power in our government?

    How would acknowledging this corruption and extinquishing it, equal "throwing my rights away"?

  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    I don't see this line of thinking as accurate. They don't "scare the $#@!" out of me.
    Bully for you. But it doesn't disprove anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    How would acknowledging this corruption and extinquishing it, equal "throwing my rights away"?
    It wouldn't.

    Now. How would allowing Trump to label domestic groups " terrorist" acknowledge the corruption again? It won't. It just gives them cover by pretending Antifa isn't astroturf.

    So how will the terrorist label extinguish or extinquish or extinkwish Antifa?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, wow, Anthony Weiner, too?

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Bully for you. But it doesn't disprove anything.

    It wouldn't.

    Now. How would allowing Trump to label domestic groups " terrorist" acknowledge the corruption again? It won't. It just gives them cover by pretending Antifa isn't astroturf.

    So how will the terrorist label extinguish or extinquish or extinkwish Antifa?
    By giving them a legal basis by which they can charge and arrest officials who have been sending them financial and material support for all these years.

    Does America have laws against supporting terrorist organizations or not? I'm talking about organizations that exist to destroy private property and physically harm people - groups who's goal it is to strong-arm people into submission.

    I'm not a legal scholar. I didn't go to Hahvahd law school - but I'm thinking there are laws against mobbing up to destroy and beat people into submission, even when this oppression is coming from what appears to be, non-government entities. If those organizations have ANY ties, and are receiving ANY kind of aid from any elected or appointed official, who has been ruling over citizens - I want that person SWATTED as though they were Roger Stone, or a member of the Bundy family, dragged out in handcuffs, jailed applying the same standards regarding bail and solitary confinement, and then publicly tried.
    Last edited by Valli6; 06-03-2020 at 03:38 PM.

  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    If those organizations have ANY ties, and are receiving ANY kind of aid from any elected or appointed official, who has been ruling over citizens - I want that person SWATTED as though they were Roger Stone, or a member of the Bundy family, dragged out in handcuffs, jailed applying the same standards regarding bail and solitary confinement, and then publicly tried.
    So do I. But you know what? Those people have violated enough existing laws. If it was going to happen, it would already have happened.

    "Just give up your rights and we'll protect you" is the seductive siren song. It has also been a lie 99 44/100% of the time.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, wow, Anthony Weiner, too?



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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So do I. But you know what? Those people have violated enough existing laws. If it was going to happen, it would already have happened.

    "Just give up your rights and we'll protect you" is the seductive siren song. It has also been a lie 99 44/100% of the time.
    I'd have thought the utter failure to Lock Her Up would have, by now, clued most people in that nothing will happen to the big players behind this stuff. If even a mid level player like Hillary can rest easy then no way will a Soros or higher player have anything whatsoever to worry about.



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  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So do I. But you know what? Those people have violated enough existing laws. If it was going to happen, it would already have happened.

    "Just give up your rights and we'll protect you" is the seductive siren song. It has also been a lie 99 44/100% of the time.
    Still not seeing how arresting high-powered crimininals for promoting actual violent crime, is somehow throwing away rights. "Protect me"? Just arrest people who are facilitating physical and material violence - particularly the ones in positions of power!*

    Are you saying, for example, that if they do it to antifa, they can use the same tactic to attack an organization like YAL? Because I would see apples and oranges there. (And they've already tried labeling Ron Paul supporters terrorists.)

    If YAL's mode of activism revolved around beating people up, supplying bricks, inciting riots, burning down cities - I don't think I'd have much of a problem with that. The difference between the two, is that one exists to cause damage and the other stays peaceful. What basis could they use to arrest YAL members as terrorists - unless they begin beating people up and setting buildings on fire? It's not "terror/crime" if you aren't being violent, therefore I do not see this standard realistically being applied to YAL.

    Of course, yes, I am relying on the notion that corrupt persons must be rooted out and the law applied justly.

    edit *
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Cohesive points were made. Somebody ignored them.
    Yes. You ignored them.
    Last edited by Valli6; 06-03-2020 at 03:24 PM.

  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    We have known that since the 1950s. We also found out then, thanks to Dodd and the Reece Commission, that most tax-exempt Foundations were full of marxists. Nothing was done.

    I hate it too. How is designating Antifa a terrorist organization going to fix anything?
    its a start.
    It was too weird to live, and too rare to die - hunter s. thompson .
    ..this is the darkest timeline..

  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    Still not seeing how arresting high-powered crimininals for promoting actual violent crime, is somehow throwing away rights. Protect me? Just arrest people who are facilitating physical and material violence - particularly the ones in positions of power!

    Are you saying, for example, that if they do it to antifa, they can use the same tactic to attack an organization like YAL? Because I would see apples and oranges there. (And they've already tried labeling Ron Paul supporters terrorists.)

    If YAL's mode of activism revolved around beating people up, supplying bricks, inciting riots, burning down cities - I don't think I'd have much of a problem with that. The difference between the two, is that one exists to cause damage and the other stays peaceful. What basis could they use to arrest YAL members as terrorists - unless they begin beating people up and setting buildings on fire? It's not "terror/crime" if you aren't being violent, therefore I do not see this standard realistically being applied to YAL.

    Of course, yes, I am relying on the notion that corrupt persons must be rooted out and the law applied justly.
    youre dumb. this is a mass level attack on the republic.
    It was too weird to live, and too rare to die - hunter s. thompson .
    ..this is the darkest timeline..

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica View Post
    youre dumb. this is a mass level attack on the republic.
    Not seeing you even trying to make any point here. Why'd you bother?

    "your dumb. this is..."
    WTF is that? Your personal version of reasoned logic? I have no idea which "this" you're even refering to - and I'm "dumb"?

    One thing does occur to me... The things I spoke of could probably already be dealt with using existing organized crime laws - in which case - designating someone a "domestic terrorist group" shouldn't really be necessary to go after the organizers. I haven't seen anyone post that lately, although I think that point has been mentioned previously in other threads. In this thread, i'm just seeing a lot of vague warnings about "you'll be sorry" with no specifics - none whatsoever to support it. Sounds as though you prefer that rioters and their organizers be left alone to pillage.

    *edit:
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Cohesive points were made. Somebody ignored them.
    Yes, you did.
    Last edited by Valli6; 06-03-2020 at 03:29 PM.

  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica View Post
    youre dumb. this is a mass level attack on the republic.
    Do you have some kind of mental problem? Half of what you post makes no sense.
    "The Patriarch"

  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So do I. But you know what? Those people have violated enough existing laws. If it was going to happen, it would already have happened.
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    One thing does occur to me... The things I spoke of could probably already be dealt with using existing organized crime laws - in which case - designating someone a "domestic terrorist group" shouldn't really be necessary to go after the organizers. I haven't seen anyone post that lately...
    And were you wondering why I gave up on trying to communicate with you?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, wow, Anthony Weiner, too?



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