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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I brought up Trump's beginning moves towards nationalism, you tried to change the subject to other things as if they were nationalism because you are fundamentally dishonest due to being unable to defend your position any other way.

    And he is pathetically wrong and so are you.

    Group defense of member rights and jurisdictional territory is not socialism, it has nothing to do with ownership of property or the means of production.
    When that group infringes upon my own personal territory/property, it is in fact socialism/communism. "Jurisdictional territory"? You, sir, are a commie.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    When that group infringes upon my own personal territory/property, it is in fact socialism/communism. "Jurisdictional territory"? You, sir, are a commie.
    Says the commie who wants to flood us with communists.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Says the commie who wants to flood us with communists.
    I would much rather have my Natural Right to Travel Freely without Fed intervention, and the costs associated with it, than funnel people in through the gates to be legally "documented" in order for immigrants to Fund the Fed via income tax and eligible for .gov programs.

    I state my case. You are a nationalist-communist, no matter how you slice it. Whatever will grow Fed.gov, you are an enabler.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I would much rather have my Natural Right to Travel Freely without Fed intervention, and the costs associated with it, than funnel people in through the gates to be legally "documented" in order for immigrants to Fund the Fed via income tax and eligible for .gov programs.

    I state my case. You are a nationalist-communist, no matter how you slice it. Whatever will grow Fed.gov, you are an enabler.
    You will not have any liberty (except I suppose YOU might as a party hack) once the invaders impose communism.

    There is no anarchotopia and you know it, tyrants always form groups and use them to defeat individuals in detail.

    I oppose that which will grow government and support that which will reduce it, you support what will grow government and impose communism on the whole world.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You will not have any liberty (except I suppose YOU might as a party hack) once the invaders impose communism.

    There is no anarchotopia and you know it, tyrants always form groups and use them to defeat individuals in detail.

    I oppose that which will grow government and support that which will reduce it, you support what will grow government and impose communism on the whole world.


    Time to hit the hay. Meantime, hit your script book. There's gotta be something in there about reducing the size of government while massively increasing it ;-)
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

  8. #36
    There are different types forms of Nationalism.
    I saw people on the internet who claim to be Nationalists but they support single payer healthcare.
    Some bad people have hijacked the label. I personally like Cultural nationalism.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You will not have any liberty (except I suppose YOU might as a party hack) once the invaders impose communism.

    There is no anarchotopia and you know it, tyrants always form groups and use them to defeat individuals in detail.

    I oppose that which will grow government and support that which will reduce it, you support what will grow government and impose communism on the whole world.
    This whole lockdown is communism &, I'm sorry to tell you, it wasn't the "invaders" that caused it.

    WAKE UP.
    There is no spoon.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    This whole lockdown is communism &, I'm sorry to tell you, it wasn't the "invaders" that caused it.

    WAKE UP.
    He won't wake-up. I cited specific examples in Post #18, he claimed I "cherry picked" and completely evaded responding to them. Notice how he avoids anything to do with "Follow the Money".

    Great Post #15 (Do We Need The State?), Ender!
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    This whole lockdown is communism &, I'm sorry to tell you, it wasn't the "invaders" that caused it.

    WAKE UP.
    What makes you think bots sleep?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, wow, Anthony Weiner, too?

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    This whole lockdown is communism &, I'm sorry to tell you, it wasn't the "invaders" that caused it.

    WAKE UP.
    Yes, immigrants caused this by shifting the political balance in this direction for generations.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, immigrants caused this by shifting the political balance in this direction for generations.
    You're blaming "There ought to be a law" over legislation and "bomb 'em back to ancient Athenian Democracy" warmongering and Modern Monetary Mularkey on immigrants?

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Lol, wow, Anthony Weiner, too?

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You're blaming "There ought to be a law" over legislation and "bomb 'em back to ancient Athenian Democracy" warmongering and Modern Monetary Mularkey on immigrants?

    Yes, but those aren't what we are talking about, we are talking about the lockdowns.
    Immigrants with bad political culture have been polluting our culture since the 1840s at least.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    He won't wake-up. I cited specific examples in Post #18, he claimed I "cherry picked" and completely evaded responding to them. Notice how he avoids anything to do with "Follow the Money".

    Great Post #15 (Do We Need The State?), Ender!
    Thanks, PAF- and this how he always operates but one can hope.
    There is no spoon.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, but those aren't what we are talking about, we are talking about the lockdowns.
    Immigrants with bad political culture have been polluting our culture since the 1840s at least.
    Sorry, Swordy, but your full of $#@!.
    There is no spoon.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Sorry, Swordy, but your full of $#@!.
    Projection.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  19. #46
    Every time I read an intellectual defending nationalism I think to myself; “Have these people not studied history?” Haven’t we been here before?

    DBx: The alternative to nationalism is not, as is believed by many, one-world government. Nor is the alternative a romantic transformation of human beings into loving members of the giant family “Humankind.”

    The alternative to nationalism is individualism. And of course by individualism is not meant atomism. By individualism is meant liberalism, as this term was originally understood.

    Liberalism rejects the notion that society, the nation, and the market are sentient creatures with preferences and goals and feelings and expectations. Liberalism recognizes that choices are made only by individuals and that experiences are had – are sensed, are expected, are evaluated – only by individuals. Liberalism regards the individual as the measure of all things social.

    And – pay close attention collectivists of all stripes – true liberals not only recognize, but celebrate, the fact that individuals use their freedom to act in ways that create bonds of cooperation with other individuals.

    Some of these bonds, such as those that form the family, are intimate and understandable to the human mind. Other of these bonds, such as most of those that are formed by commerce, are “arms’-length.” But all of these bonds are natural, in the sense that they arise from human nature.

    The full pattern of commercial bonds that make possible modern society are designed by no one and undesignable by anyone. And so to understand complex commercial bonds requires an active application of human intelligence. Whether it be from inability or unwillingness, many people – including many intelligent people – refuse to apply their intelligence to understand the nature of these complex commercial bonds. These people, fearing what they do not understand, lash out at extensive commerce. They blame it for ills that it does not cause, and they refuse to credit it for the countless benefits that it does bring.

    Nationalism – by creating the false impression that the nation is a large family with interests ultimately opposed by foreigners – artificially obstructs individuals’ efforts to form peaceful, productive commercial ties with each other if those ties happen to cross political boundaries.

    It’s stupid. It’s dangerous. It’s nationalism.

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