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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It is a religious belief at this point.
    Gee, I can't imagine how you got that impression. Just because they have almost as many icons as the Roman Catholic Church at this point...

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    I call them Qutherans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by presence View Post
    When legal tender, licenses, regulations, permits, taxes, accreditation, registrations, approvals, entitlements, and patents become contractual private sector constructs instead of State mandates; my opinion will change.

    Until then,
    Unfortunately reduced regulation and reduced taxes are the only realistic results from this list in my opinion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    If Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are indicted on criminal charges, that would certainly change my opinion....
    Obama indicted is more realistic than Clinton in my opinion, simply because of the crimes committed surrounding the coup. Clinton crimes are separate from the Obama administration given that she was not a part of the government in 2016/2017.


    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    At this point I wouldn't believe it even if I saw it. I remember the video of Hillary being "arrested" during the 2016 campaign that proved to be a fake. As a tinfoil wearer, I certainly wouldn't put it past any of them to stage an arrest scene if they thought it would advance the narrative that Red Donnie isn't part of their club. My understanding of the current legal system would make me highly question any such arrests, as federal legal jurisdiction over people, Hillary and Obama included, arises from any status as a "US Citizen". Renouncing of US Citizen status deprives the DC federal corporation of legal jurisdiction over anybody outside of the Washington DC sovereign city where the federal corporation is based. I'd think those attorneys (Hillary, Obama, etc) so involved in the upper echelons of corporate government would be well aware of how the federal legal system really works.
    I own a number of tin foil hats myself, but it seems very obvious to me that "Red Donnie" isn't part of their club. The Powers That Be typically prefer to keep the public unaware of their crimes, not have them splashed all over the front pages and right in our faces. Having General Flynn released wasn't a part of the plan the deep state came up with. Having the public become very aware of fraud on the FISA courts wasn't a part of their plans. Certainly anything is possible, but it looks to me like Brennan and Clapper really screwed this up.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    What does 'seems to' mean in this situation? You say that twice here.

    My guess is that it means 'nothing has actually happened but it feels like maybe something might have happened if I hope hard enough and watch enough youtube videos.'

    Depends on the circumstances. "Any government workers" is extraordinarily vague, so my answer would be no, it wouldn't change my opinion. The reason that I say that is because pizzagaters will attempt to use the arrest of literally any pedophile or child abuser as proof of colonies of sex slaves on Mars, when obviously those two things have nothing to do with each other. Seems like it's an easy way to move the goalposts away from the original claims of what would happen.

    Overall, this is a continuation of the same meme which began in 2015 and will continue forever. It is a religious belief at this point.
    Seems to, means it appears to me. From the outside looking in, this is what it looks like to me. It isn't about feelings or hopes, just observations.

    It is a very real observation that General Flynn has had all charges against him dropped. I have zero hopes, dreams or feelings about this Democrat's future, other than I don't like seeing people framed by an out of control federal government. I don't give a crap about a former Obama employee, but I do care about government coercion.

    As to any arrests, let me be more specific.

    What if Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Andrew McCabe or James Comey are arrested?

    What if Clapper or Brennan are arrested?

    What if Yates or Rice are arrested?

    What would your reaction be?
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    Fastest way is to continue crashing the economy. Y'all won't be able to afford to keep the swamp filled much longer.
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    Still too early to tell. Dropping charges on Flynn is a given.

    If we see even one relevant name charged, it'll mean they're going after everybody they can get their hands on.

    Barr could be protecting his would be buddies or if he really works for Trump, he'll do the right thing.
    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF :
    DNCIA-SB (Soros, Brennan)
    CLINTON-PELO-SCHIFF
    NYT-CNN-SOCIALIST
    DEEP STATE NEOCON JOHN BOLTON BOOK PROMOTER

    Know the deceptions of a paid troll HERE (Post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    As to any arrests, let me be more specific.

    What if Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Andrew McCabe or James Comey are arrested?

    What if Clapper or Brennan are arrested?

    What if Yates or Rice are arrested?

    What would your reaction be?
    I would look out my window and up into the sky to see if I could spot any airborne pigs.


    What would your reaction be when none of them are arrested, despite constantly being told that they would be arrested, 3 years later?
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    Some big stuff being unveiled in the last week

    FBI's perjury trap of Flynn
    Flynn charges dropped

    And today;
    Richard Grenell seeks to unmask the unmaskers.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...asking-scandal

    Seems like Grenell is one of the good ones, hes been doing a good job even in his previous post as Ambassador to Germany.

    I don't necessarily expect any relevant figures to get caught up. Our system protects them too well. Theres likely not enough evidence to link to any of the top dawgs.
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    DNCIA-SB (Soros, Brennan)
    CLINTON-PELO-SCHIFF
    NYT-CNN-SOCIALIST
    DEEP STATE NEOCON JOHN BOLTON BOOK PROMOTER

    Know the deceptions of a paid troll HERE (Post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post

    Originally Posted by TheCount

    It is a religious belief at this point.

    Gee, I can't imagine how you got that impression. Just because they have almost as many icons as the Roman Catholic Church at this point...

    Originally Posted by Swordsmyth






    I call them Qutherans.
    To give credit where due, his richest donor (who was member of Israeli military if not mistaken) said something very profound about GOPA leader:


    Miriam Adelson wants a 'Book of Trump' in the Bible
    Jul 10, 2019 - In a column published in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Miriam Adelson contends President Donald Trump deserves a Biblical story in his ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I would look out my window and up into the sky to see if I could spot any airborne pigs.


    What would your reaction be when none of them are arrested, despite constantly being told that they would be arrested, 3 years later?
    Well my default position is that I will believe it when I see it. Meanwhile I am observing the corruption of BIG GOVT being highlighted to the American public. If has been a long time since something like this has happened. Do you remember ABSCAM? That was back in 1980. I can't remember any significant legal penalties for criminals in the federal government since that time. Sure a few arrests here or there but nothing major in my view.

    My reaction to criminals in our federal government not being arrested... just another typical day in D.C., noting to see.

    I do think there is a better than 50% chance that these people will be arrested though. So much has already been exposed that blue balling the country now would be a problem.
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    If any of these Deep State $#@!s got arrested I would be so happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Well my default position is that I will believe it when I see it.
    That doesn't quite seem to square with this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    It seems to me that there is a very good chance that some of these criminals will be arrested, I like that even more. We will have to wait and see if it happens, but this certainly appears to be anything but business as usual.

    It seems to me that Peter Strzok is in serious trouble.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Meanwhile I am observing the corruption of BIG GOVT being highlighted to the American public.
    Highlighted to the American public, or highlighted to a narrow group of people who are consuming the same media that you are consuming?


    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    My reaction to criminals in our federal government not being arrested... just another typical day in D.C., noting to see.
    Following the worldview that you are describing, it is impossible for you to see anything which undermines your pre-conceived notions:

    • If nothing happens then that's normal, a 'typical day in DC,' and does not disprove the 'muh sealed indictments' theory.
    • If anything happens, no matter what, then that 'proves' the 'muh Marines at Langley' theory


    This is what creates your 'it seems to me' feeling despite that absolutely jack $#@! has happened for 4 years. You see evidence piling up because you simply disregard anything to the contrary.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I do think there is a better than 50% chance that these people will be arrested though. So much has already been exposed that blue balling the country now would be a problem.
    All of the names that you listed are people of note from 2015 and 2016. It is now 2020.

    Do you have any explanation for why their arrests would take place in 2020 or 2021 instead of 2016 or 2017?
    Hard mode: explain it without using the phrase 'deep state' and without resorting to some Q-tier bull$#@!.



    Edit/Side note: Have you considered what it means that no new names have been added to your bogeyman list since 2016?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I own a number of tin foil hats myself, but it seems very obvious to me that "Red Donnie" isn't part of their club. The Powers That Be typically prefer to keep the public unaware of their crimes, not have them splashed all over the front pages and right in our faces. Having General Flynn released wasn't a part of the plan the deep state came up with. Having the public become very aware of fraud on the FISA courts wasn't a part of their plans. Certainly anything is possible, but it looks to me like Brennan and Clapper really screwed this up.
    I remember when Flynn was originally arrested, he was quoted as saying something to the effect of "somebody's gotta take the fall". As if he was saying that he drew the short straw to start this whole charade that's worked very well as a giant distraction from the demolition of the Bretton Woods global economic system that's now in full swing. I tucked that quote away mentally for later reference (like today) since it's impossible to find now. I won't waste my time trying to find it but I definitely remember it. Donnie's been too tied up with mobsters and oligarchs his entire life, groomed to be the television personality he is today, too many convenient connections to the rest of the Swamp (all CFR Jesuits, for example, Flynn included) for him to be some renegade fighting TPTB. If he was, he'd have been JFK'ed by now, not continued to be put front and center 24/7 to generate headline after headline that fills the air space, each more ridiculous than the last, instead of headlines about the massive economic and social engineering changes being implemented to bring in Agenda 2030/NWO. He's a PR man, that's all.
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    His track record on this has not been so good... has hired a number of swamp creatures over the years.

    Discouraging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That doesn't quite seem to square with this:

    Highlighted to the American public, or highlighted to a narrow group of people who are consuming the same media that you are consuming?

    Following the worldview that you are describing, it is impossible for you to see anything which undermines your pre-conceived notions:

    • If nothing happens then that's normal, a 'typical day in DC,' and does not disprove the 'muh sealed indictments' theory.
    • If anything happens, no matter what, then that 'proves' the 'muh Marines at Langley' theory


    This is what creates your 'it seems to me' feeling despite that absolutely jack $#@! has happened for 4 years. You see evidence piling up because you simply disregard anything to the contrary.

    All of the names that you listed are people of note from 2015 and 2016. It is now 2020.

    Do you have any explanation for why their arrests would take place in 2020 or 2021 instead of 2016 or 2017?
    Hard mode: explain it without using the phrase 'deep state' and without resorting to some Q-tier bull$#@!.

    Edit/Side note: Have you considered what it means that no new names have been added to your bogeyman list since 2016?
    This all seems pretty simple to me. I see an outgoing administration that spied on an incoming admin and massive abuse of power. The norm is that Obama people ignore the crimes of the Bush admin, which ignored the crimes of the Clinton admin, etc. This time I see crimes not being ignored. I stand by my view that the odds are better than 50% that charges against Obama people will be filed. I am still skeptical or maybe cautiously optimistic would be more accurate. You are certainly free to disagree.

    I have no idea what the 'muh Marines at Langley' theory means.

    I can only assume Q-tier bull$#@ is some reference to the Qanon thing, but it is lost on me.

    I can tell you my thought on why arrest could happen now instead of 2016 or 2017. Back in 2017 I don't know who we could expect to do any arresting. Certainly not Jeff Session. That guy checked out immediately and didn't pursue any crimes from the Obama admin. Until AG Barr was in place, I don't see that there was any leadership pursuing these criminals. Considering that the crimes were taking place in 2016 while Obama was president, I find it strange that you would expect arrests back then anyway.

    Now Barr has been on the job for 15 months. Evidence has been gathered. Public statements of the criminal activity has been made. While they could certainly fail to act, I think that is less than a 50% chance.

    I don't know why you would expect the "bogeyman list" of Obama employees to grow after he left office. We know who worked for the Obama administration, this is public knowledge. We know who authorized fraudulent FISA applications. I guess I should say that I know... maybe you don't know or follow any of this. As I said, it seems pretty simple to me.
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    He's definitely going to drain it, right after he throws a couple trillion at the most politically connected banks, etc, in the country.

    ...right after that.

    ...pinkie swear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    He's definitely going to drain it, right after he throws a couple trillion at the most politically connected banks, etc, in the country.

    ...right after that.

    ...pinkie swear.
    The very ones who loaned him millions on the never-never payback plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The very ones who loaned him millions on the never-never payback plan.
    Deutsche Bank, IIRC, a model of financial diligence

    ...sort of a, my client will never pay me but you (taxpayers) surely will, model
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    Deutsche Bank, IIRC, a model of financial diligence

    ...sort of a, my client will never pay me but you (taxpayers) surely will, model
    A corporation doesn't have to be in the country to be politically connected. If he throws tens of billions at the Bank of Germany, is that better or worse than Obama forcing the sale of Chrysler to Fiat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    A corporation doesn't have to be in the country to be politically connected. If he throws tens of billions at the Bank of Germany, is that better or worse than Obama forcing the sale of Chrysler to Fiat?
    It's all the same; rent-seekers gonna seek rent.
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