Justin Amash endorses Open Borders, no limits on yearly immigration to US

[Sammy]

If we had open borders, In one year 700 million people from the 3rd world would come here & Amash would be okay with that.

[sparebulb]

Amash has jumped the shark into Kokesh territory.

[PAF]

The STATISTS who sacrifice every bit of liberty for fake security will jump all over this.

- Eminent Domain and the elimination of Private Property, for the "safety of all".

- Elimination of Private Contract Rights, reporting private business and your neighbor, supporting government mandated minimum wage, enables "legals" to sign up for .gov programs.

- Papers Please - eVerify, National ID, Biometric ID, to distinguish "them from us".

- More Federal Workers, to patrol, arrest, process into the system, as well as overload/expand .gov court system.

- Ensuring that "legal" people with "papers please" will now be required to "Fund the Fed", because local and state taxes are not enough, everybody should pay "their fair share".

- See previous line items - there is NO such thing as "End the Fed" anymore.


Instead of just letting the Free Market handle things with NONE of the above.

But then I hear it is "not the world we live in anymore", so I think to myself the ones who say that are every bit as complicit.

[jkr]

GREAT!

HE CAN PAY FOR IT!

[Sammy]

The STATISTS who sacrifice every bit of liberty for fake security will jump all over this.

- Eminent Domain and the elimination of Private Property, for the "safety of all".

- Elimination of Private Contract Rights, reporting private business and your neighbor, supporting government mandated minimum wage, enables "legals" to sign up for .gov programs.

- Papers Please - eVerify, National ID, Biometric ID, to distinguish "them from us".

- More Federal Workers, to patrol, arrest, process into the system, as well as overload/expand .gov court system.

- Ensuring that "legal" people with "papers please" will now be required to "Fund the Fed", because local and state taxes are not enough, everybody should pay "their fair share".

- See previous line items - there is NO such thing as "End the Fed" anymore.


Instead of just letting the Free Market handle things with NONE of the above.

But then I hear it is "not the world we live in anymore", so I think to myself the ones who say that are every bit as complicit.

I really hate to disagree with you because we two agree on everything except immigration!
Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property. Millions of people coming from the 3rd world are not going to be limited Government Libertarians,They are going to be socialists=Communists.
My opposition to mass immigration comes from experience with this kind of people.
If you want a Libertarian society mass immigration is not going to help you.


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[PAF]

I really hate to disagree with you because we two agree on everything except immigration!
Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property. Millions of people coming from the 3rd world are not going to be limited Government Libertarians,They are going to be socialists=Communists.
My opposition to mass immigration comes from experience with this kind of people.
If you want a Libertarian society mass immigration is not going to help you.


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If you hate to disagree with me then simply don’t ;-)

In my experience, both at home and abroad, and I do travel very extensively, immigrants are some of the hardest working people I have had the pleasure of dealing with.

At home, many restaurants, landscaping, paving, auto repair, immigrants who work hard are very appreciated around here.

Abroad, even in down areas, they work hard to support their families and have no problem bartering/negotiating for a buck. Abroad, there are business owners just like we have here.

Most of the immigrants I know do not soak the system as the media would have you believe. They come here looking for opportunities. A number have gone as far as trying to get Ron elected when I assisted in that campaign.

The folks soaking the system not just in my area, but other areas and states where I have resided, are mostly multi-generational Americans who refuse to work. Some of the girls haven’t reached their 20th birthday yet they have 3 kids from 2 to 3 different fathers. And if/when they need more welfare they just go out and get knocked up again.

The problem is, the government steps in, creates a problem and we are supposed to deal with it while sacrificing our liberties. “Circular Flow” worked quite well, immigrants came seasonally to work the farms, ranches and fields and then went back home, but government made it more and more difficult. As a result, they don’t go home during off season, so they try to utilize .gov assist to get them by until season opens up again.

Until people understand that government always makes mountains out of molehills, and liberty not only applies to Americans, but ALL people, we will continue the slope that we are fast riding down into complete slavery.

[Brian4Liberty]

Good for Amash. That’s where the money is! Massive immigration is supported by crony corporatists and pretty much every special interest group. Maybe they will put him in a debate so he can bring it up! (Longshot though, as both sides are too concerned that it will take away votes from their favored candidate).

Opposition consists of average Americans with no think-tank, no lobby group handing out money, no presence in the smokey back rooms. Screw those ignorant, flyover, gun hugging, obsolete dinosaurs.

[PAF]

Good for Amash. That’s where the money is! Massive immigration is supported by crony corporatists and pretty much every special interest group. Maybe they will put him in a debate so he can bring it up! (Longshot though, as both sides are too concerned that it will take away votes from their favored candidate).

Opposition consists of average Americans with no think-tank, no lobby group handing out money, no presence in the smokey back rooms. Screw those ignorant, flyover, gun hugging, obsolete dinosaurs.

“Circular Flow”. Look it up. It doesn’t cost you, me, the tax payer any money at all. It’s on the immigrant to pay his/her own way, while defending and preserving each and every one of our Natural Born Rights.

[phill4paul]

Well, he won't be getting my vote.

[PAF]

Well, he won't be getting my vote.

Gun-toting statist who hails the Fed?

[Snowball]

Good for Amash. That’s where the money is! Massive immigration is supported by crony corporatists and pretty much every special interest group.

Libertarians have been frauds for decades now. Cato Institute shills.

In the war of Capital vs. Labor, "Libertarians" are Fascists.

[Anti Federalist]

Well, he won't be getting my vote.

Well, between his support for the 5th Gen War of migrant invasion, his claim that "we" must take "action" to address his belief in man made climate change and his "tut-tutting" at armed citizens pushing back against government tyranny, he won't have mine either.

Shame he let his ego spoil a good track record in congress where he could have been used.

[Swordsmyth]

Amash has jumped the shark into Kokesh territory.

Worse.

[AngryCanadian]

no limits on yearly immigration to US is a doomed plan just look at Europe.
What made Amash the switch to Open Borders?

[Snowball]

no limits on yearly immigration to US is a doomed plan just look at Europe.
What made Amash the switch to Open Borders?

cash.

[eleganz]

no limits on yearly immigration to US is a doomed plan just look at Europe.
What made Amash the switch to Open Borders?

At this point its pretty clear he wants to be the complete Anti-Trump. Hes drawing a clear contrast.

None of that matters though, whether its GJ or Amash, Kokesh or Vermin Supreme, or even Ron Paul. LP will get the same amount of votes they always did and it will certainly be less than Gary's 2016 results, which they will probably never best again unless both parties pick nominees that are hated like Trump/Hilary was. For 2020, Trump has already been vetted, the he won back most of the people who voted LP.

[enhanced_deficit]

I was thinking he would be more of an educational candidate who if won a place on debate stage could educate more people. But with moves like this, could he cause trouble for both globalist neoconservatives/Israel lobby (right wing) funded GOPA candidate and Iraq war voting Dem candidate?
With such political moves, he could be far more dangerous and may even have an impact on 2020 election, although not clear if would cause more damage to GOPA wing, former Clinton funding Democrat who had called Obama "totally a champion.. is doing a very good job" and these days identifies as a MAGA Republican, OR good ol conservative Democrat Joe who stood behind Obama for 8 years.

Good for Amash. That’s where the money is! Massive immigration is supported by crony corporatists and pretty much every special interest group. Maybe they will put him in a debate so he can bring it up! (Longshot though, as both sides are too concerned that it will take away votes from their favored candidate).

Opposition consists of average Americans with no think-tank, no lobby group handing out money, no presence in the smokey back rooms. Screw those ignorant, flyover, gun hugging, obsolete dinosaurs.

EM.

US politics engine is money driven. This is almost a Trumpesque move and politically clever too, both R & D label parties may need to watch out going forward. He could break votes from both major parties way he's positioning himself.

Trump: Need (more) people in US

Trump & Democrats Near Agreement on DACA



2020 race is starting to get more interesting especially if economy and massive job losses did not show quick recovery and current polls are non-faake. Could Amash actually defeat cash machines of both the GOPA wing neoconservatives/wall Street and Biden bluedog Dems globalist backers?
At this point, that is still very unlikely as both have Deep Pockets and element of Deep State backing them. But these are very volatile times, who knows...
Increasing conservatives/Christians alienation on 2nd amendment/red flag laws, DACA/NAFTA/USMCA, abortion, LGBTQ, coronavirus lockdown economic impact, big debt spending issues by GOPA leader could potentially make a it a 3 way race but still an improbable scenario. Few months ahead would inform us.

[AngryCanadian]

At this point its pretty clear he wants to be the complete Anti-Trump. Hes drawing a clear contrast.

None of that matters though, whether its GJ or Amash, Kokesh or Vermin Supreme, or even Ron Paul. LP will get the same amount of votes they always did and it will certainly be less than Gary's 2016 results, which they will probably never best again unless both parties pick nominees that are hated like Trump/Hilary was. For 2020, Trump has already been vetted, the he won back most of the people who voted LP.

When it comes to the LP i think they need a new image or people they had being tainted.

[oyarde]

How is the libertarian platform different from the commiecrats ? Better abortions ? better UBI ? better muzzle loaders for the 2nd Amend nuts ?

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Libertarianism is dead. In its current form, at least. The "socially liberal/fiscal conservative" types killed it.

[Swordsmyth]

How is the libertarian platform different from the commiecrats ? Better abortions ? better UBI ? better muzzle loaders for the 2nd Amend nuts ?

Don't forget better government enforcement of insanity and perversion.

[CaptainAmerica]

Justin Amash= Benedict Arnold. He will get his face stomped on eventually