Amash denounces armed protests in Michigan

[Matt Collins]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...protesters.cnn

[devil21]

Since Collin's thread title can be interpreted as Amash denouncing protests, here's the actual Amash quote:

"Everybody has the right to protest and I think the governor overreached in a lot of ways. I denounce and condemn the nazi symbols that were used in some protests and I think it's a terrible idea to come in with weapons, as it might be perceived as intimidation of legislators. Everyone has the right to protest and we're a state that cares about our rights and our freedoms."

[KEEF]

Since Collin's thread title can be interpreted as Amash denouncing protests, here's the actual Amash quote:

"Everybody has the right to protest and I think the governor overreached in a lot of ways. I denounce and condemn the nazi symbols that were used in some protests and I think it's a terrible idea to come in with weapons, as it might be perceived as intimidation of legislators. Everyone has the right to protest and we're a state that cares about our rights and our freedoms."

Thank you for the clarification.

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

pity. The government is revolting, why aren't you?

[jkr]

Hmmmm
Me not like...him speak with fork demon tongue

[69360]

You know what? I kind of agree with Amash. I do support these guys right to bear arms. I would never support any law that takes away that right. But honestly did you really need to show up with an AR15 strapped to your back? It just freaks out the liberals and dilutes your message. If you really feel a threat to your safety carry a pistol concealed. If the day comes when it gets bad enough we need to open carry long guns for our safety, I will be there alongside you fighting.

[John-G]

Since Collin's thread title can be interpreted as Amash denouncing protests, here's the actual Amash quote:

"Everybody has the right to protest and I think the governor overreached in a lot of ways. I denounce and condemn the nazi symbols that were used in some protests and I think it's a terrible idea to come in with weapons, as it might be perceived as intimidation of legislators. Everyone has the right to protest and we're a state that cares about our rights and our freedoms."

Thanks for the quote. I sorta agree with him on this. I think it should be legal but if I was to protest this, I will do all I can to avoid giving the media any extra animoto demonize us.

No political flags, no guns, no silly signs etc etc.. just focus on the issue at home and get your message across

+rep

[donnay]

Since Collin's thread title can be interpreted as Amash denouncing protests, here's the actual Amash quote:

"Everybody has the right to protest and I think the governor overreached in a lot of ways. I denounce and condemn the nazi symbols that were used in some protests and I think it's a terrible idea to come in with weapons, as it might be perceived as intimidation of legislators. Everyone has the right to protest and we're a state that cares about our rights and our freedoms."

Oh Please. Intimidating legislators? What a Soyboy. Read the Preamble to the U.S. Declaration of Independence!


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[Anti Federalist]

as it might be perceived as intimidation of legislators

Yeah, just another reason for me to dismiss this guy.

Of course that's the purpose...just like mere act of displaying a firearm is many times all it takes to intimidate and discourage a criminal attack.

When a poohbah or ruler gets up on a podium and announces that "my new rules are such and such and so and so" and if you don't comply you will be harshly punished, and behind them are a whole phalanx of scowling, stern faced cops, keen to bust heads and force compliance...what the $#@! is that but "intimidation"?

[John-G]

Yeah, just another reason for me to dismiss this guy.

Of course that's the purpose...just like mere act of displaying a firearm is many times all it takes to intimidate and discourage a criminal attack.

When a poohbah or ruler gets up on a podium and announces that "my new rules are such and such and so and so" and if you don't comply you will be harshly punished, and behind them are a whole phalanx of scowling, stern faced cops, keen to bust heads and force compliance...what the $#@! is that but "intimidation"?

I believe at this point trying to win hearts and minds should be priority. This lockdown still have majority support. The media has brainwashed people into thinking that this virus is going to kill em all. We lose the public debate and we will be swallowed up by the new laws.

[Anti Globalist]

What in the actual $#@! is going on with Amash? His actions are bewildering and I can't make any sense of it. I can't tell if hes showing his true colors or if he's being blackmailed.

[RJB]

I notice Amash does not seem upset that people may feel intimidated by the legislature posting armed police to stop the people from speaking with the legislators.

The lesson, your armed neighbor is a bigger threat than what happens at the Capital.

[donnay]

What in the actual $#@! is going on with Amash? His actions are bewildering and I can't make any sense of it. I can't tell if hes showing his true colors or if he's being blackmailed.

His loyalty is to Chynah!

[RJB]

[Ender]

WTF is with all the Amash hate? The bloody world is falling apart & y'all are booing & hissing over Amash?

Looks like the old game of taking everyone's eye off the mark so TPTB can finalize our prison.

[donnay]

WTF is with all the Amash hate? The bloody world is falling apart & y'all are booing & hissing over Amash?

Looks like the old game of taking everyone's eye off the mark so TPTB can finalize our prison.

Speaking for myself, it is not hate at all. It's disgust, by the comments he sheepishly said. He is clearly not representing the people and the constitution. We have played nice for far too long, and these people think it is a sign of weakness.

Exercising our rights only points out that we are not weak.

[kahless]

Unbelievable. Thread after thread for a few years now, what is it going to take for Amash to be removed from "Defenders of Liberty" and some people here continuing to support this traitor.

Since Collin's thread title can be interpreted as Amash denouncing protests, here's the actual Amash quote:

"Everybody has the right to protest and I think the governor overreached in a lot of ways. I denounce and condemn the nazi symbols that were used in some protests and I think it's a terrible idea to come in with weapons, as it might be perceived as intimidation of legislators. Everyone has the right to protest and we're a state that cares about our rights and our freedoms."

Effectively comparing any protester carrying as being a Nazi. Exactly the narrative the news media and the far left want to represent which he continues to carry water for. This is indefensible.

[enhanced_deficit]

Amash Condemns Trump's Red Flag Law

vs

Trump's Sr. Advisor Ivanka is Advising Her Father to Stand For Red Flag Gun Controls

Since Collin's thread title can be interpreted as Amash denouncing protests, here's the actual Amash quote:

"Everybody has the right to protest and I think the governor overreached in a lot of ways. I denounce and condemn the nazi symbols that were used in some protests and I think it's a terrible idea to come in with weapons, as it might be perceived as intimidation of legislators. Everyone has the right to protest and we're a state that cares about our rights and our freedoms."

EM.

On a related note, Trump administration is also condemning and taking notice of such protests.


Coronavirus Crisis Unleashed 'Tsunami' of anti-Semitism, Trump Official Says

Special envoy Elan Carr says his office is closely monitoring online expressions of anti-Semitism around the world, clearly seeing an uptick in hate speech caused amid the spread of COVID-19
Washington May 05, 2020

[Matt Collins]

I believe at this point trying to win hearts and minds should be priority. This lockdown still have majority support. The media has brainwashed people into thinking that this virus is going to kill em all. We lose the public debate and we will be swallowed up by the new laws.

That is a guaranteed losing strategy.

[Matt Collins]

One thing I learned from the Virginia rally a few months ago is that armed protesters don't get shot, tazed, sprayed, or shut down. The cops pretty much just let them be because they don't want to force an armed conflict (cops would probably lose).

And while I too prefer not having armed people at a protest, the reality is that in many cases it is now necessary to protect oneself from government abuse. Justin's messaging is wrong and once again throws his base under the bus.

At this point he may not even get the LP nomination.

[enhanced_deficit]

That is a guaranteed losing strategy.

BTW, on 2nd amendment/red flag laws/due process etc, whose stance you find more anti-Constitutional, Amash's or Trump's?

[Sammy]

What in the actual $#@! is going on with Amash? His actions are bewildering and I can't make any sense of it. I can't tell if hes showing his true colors or if he's being blackmailed.

He is trying to appeal to the woke left.

[trey4sports]

He is trying to appeal to the woke left.

My bet is that he is really trying to be more "moderate" than libertarian. A strategy that just might pay dividends.

[dannno]

BTW, on 2nd amendment/red flag laws/due process etc, whose stance you find more anti-Constitutional, Amash's or Trump's?

False equivalent.

[dannno]

My bet is that he is really trying to be more "moderate" than libertarian. A strategy that just might pay dividends.

Who collects these "dividends"?

Joe Biden or Trump?

[Voluntarist]

He is trying to appeal to the woke left.

… or maybe the mainstream middle

[Krugminator2]

My bet is that he is really trying to be more "moderate" than libertarian. A strategy that just might pay dividends.

You are equating libertarian with being a moron. Amash clearly makes the distinction. Nothing to do with being moderate.

Here is the liberty position on protesting.

The forcible occupation of another man’s property or the obstruction of a public thoroughfare is so blatant a violation of rights that an attempt to justify it becomes an abrogation of morality. An individual has no right to do a “sit-in” in the home or office of a person he disagrees with—and he does not acquire such a right by joining a gang. Rights are not a matter of numbers—and there can be no such thing, in law or in morality, as actions forbidden to an individual, but permitted to a mob.

The only power of a mob, as against an individual, is greater muscular strength—i.e., plain, brute physical force. The attempt to solve social problems by means of physical force is what a civilized society is established to prevent. The advocates of mass civil disobedience admit that their purpose is intimidation. A society that tolerates intimidation as a means of settling disputes—the physical intimidation of some men or groups by others—loses its moral right to exist as a social system, and its collapse does not take long to follow.

[oyarde]

Since Collin's thread title can be interpreted as Amash denouncing protests, here's the actual Amash quote:

"Everybody has the right to protest and I think the governor overreached in a lot of ways. I denounce and condemn the nazi symbols that were used in some protests and I think it's a terrible idea to come in with weapons, as it might be perceived as intimidation of legislators. Everyone has the right to protest and we're a state that cares about our rights and our freedoms."

well , he is pretty $#@!ed up if he thinks the legislators do not need intimidated, lol

[oyarde]

I notice Amash does not seem upset that people may feel intimidated by the legislature posting armed police to stop the people from speaking with the legislators.

The lesson, your armed neighbor is a bigger threat than what happens at the Capital.

ya . thats how i see it

[oyarde]

What in the actual $#@! is going on with Amash? His actions are bewildering and I can't make any sense of it. I can't tell if hes showing his true colors or if he's being blackmailed.

i am starting to think something is very wrong