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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Amash is a leftist. He is not a libertarian. I just wish he would be honest about it. Moreover, he is a boring leftist. If you're going to tow the same line as Elizabeth Warren on something, then at least be bombastic about it. Stand out from the crowd.
    Justin Amash:
    Congress: Michigan, District: 3, Independent, Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 94%

    Until that number drops below 90%, you can call him whatever you want.

    I can see how he is a threat to you/SwordShill/statist establishment.

    “Vote the Record, Not the Rhetoric”

    Btw, I am in W. PA, what about you?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Justin Amash:
    Congress: Michigan, District: 3, Independent, Cumulative Freedom Index Score: 94%

    Until that number drops below 90%, you can call him whatever you want.

    I can see how he is a threat to you/SwordShill/statist establishment.

    “Vote the Record, Not the Rhetoric”

    Btw, I am in W. PA, what about you?
    I would never call this guy a libertarian either. He is a douche bag, in my opinion. The only reason he is running as a "libertarian" independent is because he knows he cannot win the GOP vote.

    Does that mean he is a "threat" to me also, and that I am a "statist"?

    People should be able to disagree without being labeled as something negative or anti-liberty.....
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
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  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    I would never call this guy a libertarian either. He is a douche bag, in my opinion. The only reason he is running as a "libertarian" independent is because he knows he cannot win the GOP vote.

    Does that mean he is a "threat" to me also, and that I am a "statist"?

    People should be able to disagree without being labeled as something negative or anti-liberty.....
    So What made Amash this heavy to go to the liberal wing? full blown? with pro open borders? how can he even talk about a massive immigration and open borders while we are all in a pandemic?

    I feel his doing it for getting attention mostly.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    I would never call this guy a libertarian either. He is a douche bag, in my opinion. The only reason he is running as a "libertarian" independent is because he knows he cannot win the GOP vote.

    Does that mean he is a "threat" to me also, and that I am a "statist"?

    People should be able to disagree without being labeled as something negative or anti-liberty.....
    Does that apply to Never-Trumpers? LOL- I've been called every name in the book on this forum.

    And, BTW- I love 98% of your posts- just don't understand the hate for Amash- overall, he's one of the most liberty minded guys in Congress. I think we all should be more concerned about the pandemic hoax and mandatory vaxes, rather than a guy we don't always agree with running for an office he has no chance in hades of getting.
    Last edited by Ender; 05-07-2020 at 10:38 AM.
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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    I would never call this guy a libertarian either. He is a douche bag, in my opinion. The only reason he is running as a "libertarian" independent is because he knows he cannot win the GOP vote.

    Does that mean he is a "threat" to me also, and that I am a "statist"?

    People should be able to disagree without being labeled as something negative or anti-liberty.....
    It is not for me say whether he is a threat to you. As far as “statist”, anybody who violates my individual Natural Rights, whether that be restricting my freedom to travel freely, requiring me to identify myself from another without due process, etc.

    My rights belong to me, not others to legislate away. As of now, whether I vote or not, Justin has among the highest constitutional records of anybody in the house.

    Hmm, double standards perhaps? You can call out socialists/communists, but I can’t refer to statists who infringe upon my rights, even if they believe I must be protected from private property and contract rights and paying my hard earned money for public walls, to restrict my freedom to travel freely?

    I think we agree on most every issue so there’s really no beef, just maybe consider my points to see where I am coming from and what has led this country to be in the state that it is in ;-)
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    You can call out socialists/communists....
    But I don't think I have ever called someone here on the forums with that title, have I? If so, I apologize!

    Passionate disagreement is fine. I just think we could be more civil with one another, and it has been so nice without Angelatec around...
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    But I don't think I have ever called someone here on the forums with that title, have I? If so, I apologize!

    Passionate disagreement is fine. I just think we could be more civil with one another, and it has been so nice without Angelatec around...
    I don’t recall you ever doing that. Agreed
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

  10. #68
    There are jump the shark moments, then there are bake cakes or else moments.


  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Getting concerned how far he is moving in another direction so far so quickly although I do believe it was his intention to run when he came out in support of impeachment , I still personally like the guy and the job he had done . Now I am more worried he has just adapted the leftist Big L agenda and then whatever commie $#@! sarawark thinks of between now & then . These concerns are very legitimate regardless of whatever others say in his defense . I am concerned with his future not his past . What I see now is looking like a waste .
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to oyarde again.

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    It's enough to say that climate changes, there's nothing humans can do about it and it's no business of government. But no, he's pandering to the climate tards.
    No it's not enough. The degree to what humans contribute to global warming isn't really known. But there is something humans can do.

    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    The trans agenda is a very damn important issue because it's an attack on humanity by cultural Marxist anti human depopulation freaks and sexual degenerates who are exploiting, brainwashing and doing physical and emotional harm to young people and children. They are trying to normalizing a mental illness.. It has nothing to do with freedom to be who one is or being accepting of trans people, it's about evil social engineering and it's infested politics, policy, education and medicine.
    lol You made all of this up. Cats and dogs living together. And this two issues are minor in the scheme of things.

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    I would never call this guy a libertarian either. He is a douche bag, in my opinion. The only reason he is running as a "libertarian" independent is because he knows he cannot win the GOP vote.
    How in the world does someone with a very conservative voting record qualify as a douche bag?

    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    Does that mean he is a "threat" to me also, and that I am a "statist"?

    People should be able to disagree without being labeled as something negative or anti-liberty.....
    WTF? Like "He is a douche bag"? lol
    Last edited by tebowlives; 05-07-2020 at 09:21 AM.

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's becoming clear that he wants to destroy America.
    Because he votes against increased spending and keeping us out of never ending wars in the Middle East?

    Yet Trump who increased spending and keeps us involved in the Middle East, two things he lied about not doing, is somehow a person we should support?



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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The difference between Justin Amash and Trump is that Trump will actually bring troops home and help end the wars.

    If Amash successfully runs Trump out of office, we will see more wars and more troops overseas. Good job!
    And you have proof of this? It can't be the way Amash votes since he votes the opposite of what you just posted.

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    For those of us paying some attention it hasn't been a quick turn in that direction.

    What I want to know is how the hell he kept getting elected in Michigan while supporting the climate change hoax?
    Because people in Michigan know what's important and thank goodness they didn't base their vote on something so unimportant as climate change.

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Because people in Michigan know what's important and thank goodness they didn't base their vote on something so unimportant as climate change.
    You are very ignorant.
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  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Because he votes against increased spending and keeping us out of never ending wars in the Middle East?

    Yet Trump who increased spending and keeps us involved in the Middle East, two things he lied about not doing, is somehow a person we should support?
    Yep.

    All this baaaaaad Amash stuff while in the meantime:

    US Navy Sends Warships Into 'Russia's Gulf Of Mexico' For First Time Since Cold War
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...-time-cold-war
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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by susano View Post
    It's enough to say that climate changes, there's nothing humans can do about it and it's no business of government. But no, he's pandering to the climate tards.

    The trans agenda is a very damn important issue because it's an attack on humanity by cultural Marxist anti human depopulation freaks and sexual degenerates who are exploiting, brainwashing and doing physical and emotional harm to young people and children. They are trying to normalizing a mental illness.. It has nothing to do with freedom to be who one is or being accepting of trans people, it's about evil social engineering and it's infested politics, policy, education and medicine.
    How would you interrupt this aspect of the Marxist and SJW agenda? Especially given that a large percentage of the population supports the Marxist agenda (secretly or openly), or they don't care about it?

    What has Amash suggested that is so supportive of the Marxist agenda? Does he support public education which includes trans education? Does he support drag-queen story hour for children?

    Unfortunately, Hollywood and the media are the prime movers and advertisers of this agenda. I suspect Amash has not called for censorship of entertainment and the media.

    So what is a liberty-oriented solution?

    Live Drag queen shows for children should not be allowed. Same with strippers. It is adult oriented, and not appropriate. Does that require a law, or just push back at the morons who want to organize these events for children at public schools and libraries?
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Sounds to me like Amash is just talking about firing someone on the basis of "sex", and applying that to transgender people. Doesn't sound like new spending of any kind.

    Also in that article:
    But a month later — just days after switching parties — the congressman cast a vote against another amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA. The amendment by Rep. Jackie Speier (D) Calif., would enshrine into law that any person who meets gender-neutral occupational standards can serve in the military regardless of race, color, national origin, religion or sex, including gender identity or sexual orientation, as The Hill reported in July 2019. Rep. Amash is recorded as opposing this amendment that was aimed at reversing the president’s trans military ban.
    Amash voted against a cultural Marxist amendment in this case.

    Has he ever voted to allow the military to pay for trans surgery? That is another situation that is inappropriate and should not be funded. It is elective plastic surgery.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Justin Amash:I can see how he is a threat to you/SwordShill/statist establishment.
    Amash has zero accomplishments in Congress and has a 0.0% chance of winning the Presidency. He is in no way a threat to me. He is, however, a threat to the libertarian message.

    You do not know who I support/do not support (outside of Amash). I would be cautious about assuming my motivations.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Btw, I am in W. PA, what about you?
    Rural northwest Pennsylvania.

  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    You are very ignorant.
    It's not about me so don't deflect while making things up. I know what's important.



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Amash has zero accomplishments in Congress and has a 0.0% chance of winning the Presidency. He is in no way a threat to me. He is, however, a threat to the libertarian message.

    You do not know who I support/do not support (outside of Amash). I would be cautious about assuming my motivations.



    Rural northwest Pennsylvania.
    How is someone with his voting record a threat to Liberty?

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Amash has zero accomplishments in Congress and has a 0.0% chance of winning the Presidency. He is in no way a threat to me. He is, however, a threat to the libertarian message.

    You do not know who I support/do not support (outside of Amash). I would be cautious about assuming my motivations.



    Rural northwest Pennsylvania.
    Do we now each other? Have you attended one of our liberty meetings?

    You are more than welcome to join us, maybe you can punch me in the nose

    Hit me up PM if you are interested.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    How is someone with his voting record a threat to Liberty?
    I stated that Amash is a threat to the libertarian message. He is stodgy and monotonous. The only people that would vote for him are either a) leftist libertarians with TDS b) Ron Paul supporters nostalgic for the glory days and c) anyone who wants to cast a protest vote who otherwise has zero interest in libertarianism or even the original intent of the Constitution.

    And to be fair, I am sympathetic to the second option.
    Last edited by familydog; 05-08-2020 at 10:58 AM.

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    Amash is a leftist. He is not a libertarian. I just wish he would be honest about it. Moreover, he is a boring leftist. If you're going to tow the same line as Elizabeth Warren on something, then at least be bombastic about it. Stand out from the crowd.
    If Amash isn't a libertarian, you aren't either and should be honest about it. You're a run-of-the-mill Republican. For some reason people continue to act as if libertarians are nothing more than a subset of the GOP. Nope, wrong. OMG he said something that Elizabeth Warren also said? Oy vey!
    Some libertarian positions appeal to the left, some to the right, some to both and maybe some to neither, but the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" message appeals to many in the middle and the middle decides elections. That is why libertarians are treated as a scourge to the two party duopoly. Libertarians are a threat to that scamming, mind-controlling, divide and conquer duopoly which forces the middle to choose a side of the controlled duopoly.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    If Amash isn't a libertarian, you aren't either and should be honest about it. You're a run-of-the-mill Republican. For some reason people continue to act as if libertarians are nothing more than a subset of the GOP. Nope, wrong. OMG he said something that Elizabeth Warren also said? Oy vey!
    Some libertarian positions appeal to the left, some to the right, some to both and maybe some to neither, but the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" message appeals to many in the middle and the middle decides elections. That is why libertarians are treated as a scourge to the two party duopoly. Libertarians are a threat to that scamming, mind-controlling, divide and conquer duopoly which forces the middle to choose a side of the controlled duopoly.
    ^^^^THIS^^^^

    And, notice how quiet Trumptarians are about this whole lockdown scam. If Obama were in office, they'd be screaming at the top of their lungs that it was all his fault and he should be held accountable.
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  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    If Amash isn't a libertarian, you aren't either and should be honest about it. You're a run-of-the-mill Republican.
    You have literally no evidence to back up this assertion.

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    You have literally no evidence to back up this assertion.
    Your own statements that are calling one of the, if not the, highest rated liberty score congressman "not a libertarian" but a leftist, is all the evidence I need to know where you stand on the political ideology scale.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by familydog View Post
    You have literally no evidence to back up this assertion.
    Anyone who is opposed to open borders is not a Libertarian to people like him.



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Your own statements that are calling one of the, if not the, highest rated liberty score congressman "not a libertarian" but a leftist, is all the evidence I need to know where you stand on the political ideology scale.
    Imagine getting this defensive over the honor of a politician that you have no personal connection with.

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    If Amash isn't a libertarian, you aren't either and should be honest about it. You're a run-of-the-mill Republican. For some reason people continue to act as if libertarians are nothing more than a subset of the GOP. Nope, wrong. OMG he said something that Elizabeth Warren also said? Oy vey!
    Some libertarian positions appeal to the left, some to the right, some to both and maybe some to neither, but the "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" message appeals to many in the middle and the middle decides elections. That is why libertarians are treated as a scourge to the two party duopoly. Libertarians are a threat to that scamming, mind-controlling, divide and conquer duopoly which forces the middle to choose a side of the controlled duopoly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    ^^^^THIS^^^^

    And, notice how quiet Trumptarians are about this whole lockdown scam. If Obama were in office, they'd be screaming at the top of their lungs that it was all his fault and he should be held accountable.

    You guys are awesome, along with @CCTelander and a few others. Due to limitations I am always out of +REP
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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