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    NYC Mayor De Blasio Will Punish Churches That Allow Worship Services

    Not only will he force church officers to halt their service, but if they don't comply, then they will be fined and have their buildings shut down permanently.

    Whatever happened to "separation of Church and State"? Oh, that's right. Coronavirus. That's their excuse for seizing power over everything.

    "Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45

    "May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul



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    no mosques in jewyork?
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    "First Amendment? Never heard of it..." - Red Bill DiBlasio
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    Course, nobody is going to do a $#@!ing thing about it.

    In 1775 citizen-rebels in Boston went to war against the most powerful military machine on the face of the earth, for violations of their natural rights equaling not one tenth of this current tyranny, while in the middle of a much more deadly smallpox plague.

    And won.

    If we were one tenth the men they were, this would end.

    But we are not, myself included.

    So we sit, and bitch while tyranny descends into madness.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theocrat View Post
    Not only will he force church officers to halt their service, but if they don't comply, then they will be fined and have their buildings shut down permanently.

    Whatever happened to "separation of Church and State"? Oh, that's right. Coronavirus. That's their excuse for seizing power over everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Course, nobody is going to do a $#@!ing thing about it.

    In 1775 citizen-rebels in Boston went to war against the most powerful military machine on the face of the earth, for violations of their natural rights equaling not one tenth of this current tyranny, while in the middle of a much more deadly smallpox plague.

    And won.

    If we were one tenth the men they were, this would end.

    But we are not, myself included.

    So we sit, and bitch while tyranny descends into madness.
    Y'all know what's really going on right?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...han-Sars-Cov-2

    It's a power grab pure and simple. Other countries are fighting the virus just as well with everyone using masks and gloves, getting tested, and quarantining the sick instead of demanding the healthy self-quarantine.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-and-economics

    And yet, when you point this out, some people (even here) are like "How many more people do you want to die?"

    So as G.I. Joe said "And now you know. And knowing is half the battle." Any ideas on the other half? I can tell you what I'm doing. I'm getting my hands on extra masks and looking into learning how to make my own. We need a viral liberty response to this. This is not the time for fear. I see much fear coming even from Christians.

    2 Timothy 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

    or from the NIV.

    For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline.

    Yes, take reasonable precautions. Keep the old and vulnerable safe. But look at what the government has done. Many places the liquor stores or open but the churches are closed. Booze is an "essential service" but church is not. And some people are calling for more draconian measures and these calls are coming from the left and the right!
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    The 501c3 corporate churches are nothing like the local assemblies we see in the New Testament, or like the house church movement that spread throughout China after 1948 when the communists took over and kicked out all the American missionaries and their corporate churches.

    The true church is not a corporation, which, when formed and obtains its tax deductible non-profit status, is subject to the rule of the U.S. Government.

    I would not fight for this institution. True believers should start congregating in homes where you have BOTH First and Fourth Amendment protections, and can use the Second Amendment to protect those rights.
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    I would not fight for this institution. True believers should start congregating in homes where you have BOTH First and Fourth Amendment protections, and can use the Second Amendment to protect those rights.
    I do not think home church is the answer. Doctrinal integrity is vital to the health of the body and the believer. It promotes unity and prevents abuse. The accountability of a larger group is important. It is also important to be able to support local ministries of education benevolence. Eight or ten people really can’t do that very well unless they are independently wealthy.
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi



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    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    I do not think home church is the answer. Doctrinal integrity is vital to the health of the body and the believer. It promotes unity and prevents abuse. The accountability of a larger group is important. It is also important to be able to support local ministries of education benevolence. Eight or ten people really can’t do that very well unless they are independently wealthy.
    It worked in the New Testament, and in modern times it worked in China. All of your objections were also raised when the American missionaries were kicked out of China, but the spread of the gospel spread much much faster than it ever could have done through the colonial corporate churches. And it doesn't have to be just "eight or ten people" which seems to be some kind of arbitrary number you came up with to try and prove your point.
    There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
    (1 John 4:18)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    The 501c3 corporate churches are nothing like the local assemblies we see in the New Testament, or like the house church movement that spread throughout China after 1948 when the communists took over and kicked out all the American missionaries and their corporate churches.

    The true church is not a corporation, which, when formed and obtains its tax deductible non-profit status, is subject to the rule of the U.S. Government.

    I would not fight for this institution. True believers should start congregating in homes where you have BOTH First and Fourth Amendment protections, and can use the Second Amendment to protect those rights.
    Absolutely!

    Isaiah 54:17 - KJV

    “No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.”


    Romans 8:31 - KJV

    31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    "Who Do Men Say That I Am?"

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Y'all know what's really going on right?

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...han-Sars-Cov-2

    It's a power grab pure and simple. Other countries are fighting the virus just as well with everyone using masks and gloves, getting tested, and quarantining the sick instead of demanding the healthy self-quarantine.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-and-economics

    And yet, when you point this out, some people (even here) are like "How many more people do you want to die?"

    So as G.I. Joe said "And now you know. And knowing is half the battle." Any ideas on the other half? I can tell you what I'm doing. I'm getting my hands on extra masks and looking into learning how to make my own. We need a viral liberty response to this. This is not the time for fear. I see much fear coming even from Christians.

    2 Timothy 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

    or from the NIV.

    For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline.

    Yes, take reasonable precautions. Keep the old and vulnerable safe. But look at what the government has done. Many places the liquor stores or open but the churches are closed. Booze is an "essential service" but church is not. And some people are calling for more draconian measures and these calls are coming from the left and the right!
    You're "preaching to the choir" there, my brother. I'm not worried at all because I know Who's reigning on high.

    I'm very interested to see what our Christian brothers and sisters in NYC are going to do to challenge De Blasio's decree about this. Hopefully, it can move the Church towards mobilizing against political tyranny, if by nothing else, attending worship against "Caesar's" decree.
    "Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45

    "May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul

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    De Blasio is Declaring Authority Over Worship, in General

    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    no mosques in jewyork?
    I think De Blasio included mosques, by implication, although he doesn't say "churches" nor "synagogues" in that video. He mentioned worship services, which can include mosques.

    But wouldn't that cause an uproar if New Yorkers saw Muslims attending mosque services, but the local authorities allowed it happen!
    "Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45

    "May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Created4 View Post
    It worked in the New Testament, and in modern times it worked in China. All of your objections were also raised when the American missionaries were kicked out of China, but the spread of the gospel spread much much faster than it ever could have done through the colonial corporate churches. And it doesn't have to be just "eight or ten people" which seems to be some kind of arbitrary number you came up with to try and prove your point.
    Not speaking for @euphemia, but I think she's getting the "eight or ten people" based on the directive of gatherings of no more than ten people. That said, groups of eight to ten people could be virtually linked for the financial impact she was talking about. The body of Christ needs to be proactive within the framework we find ourselves at the moment.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    "First Amendment? Never heard of it..." - Red Bill DiBlasio
    Most people think the First Amendment only applies to porn. Here is a good resource for kids and adults alike about the Five Freedoms in the First Amendment. (Speech, Press, Petition, Peaceable Assembly, Religion).

    http://www.mrsmclass.com/uploads/4/5...oring_book.pdf
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Course, nobody is going to do a $#@!ing thing about it.

    In 1775 citizen-rebels in Boston went to war against the most powerful military machine on the face of the earth, for violations of their natural rights equaling not one tenth of this current tyranny, while in the middle of a much more deadly smallpox plague.

    And won.

    If we were one tenth the men they were, this would end.

    But we are not, myself included.

    So we sit, and bitch while tyranny descends into madness.
    I intend to resist. This virus panic is a mass delusion and I will have no part of it. It's not that bad and I do not intend to give up any of my freedom for it. I have just been going about my life as normal.



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    What This is About

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Course, nobody is going to do a $#@!ing thing about it.

    In 1775 citizen-rebels in Boston went to war against the most powerful military machine on the face of the earth, for violations of their natural rights equaling not one tenth of this current tyranny, while in the middle of a much more deadly smallpox plague.

    And won.

    If we were one tenth the men they were, this would end.

    But we are not, myself included.

    So we sit, and bitch while tyranny descends into madness.
    "Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45

    "May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul

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    Meanwhile abortion clinics are open and considered essential.

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    "Tampa megachurch pastor arrested after leading packed services despite 'safer-at-home' orders"

    https://www.fox5ny.com/news/tampa-me...at-home-orders

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    Just pointing out the early church had the apostles who were taught directly by Jesus during his earthly ministry.
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunnyFreedom View Post
    Meanwhile abortion clinics are open and considered essential.
    Are they actually performing abortions? Planned parenthood does far more than abortions, sometimes one of the few affordable places for some health issues.
    “…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    Are they actually performing abortions? Planned parenthood does far more than abortions, sometimes one of the few affordable places for some health issues.
    They are in some states. And not really. County health departments and county hospitals can do Pap smears, pregnancy testing, treatment for STDs, some have mammography and ultrasound. Mostly free or low cost. Free conception prevention. PP so unnecessary.
    #NashvilleStrong

    “I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi

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    The Presumption of Importance

    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    Are they actually performing abortions? Planned parenthood does far more than abortions, sometimes one of the few affordable places for some health issues.
    That's really not the point. The real concern is the arbitrary designation by the States to label abortion clinics as engaging in "essential operations," while deeming worship services at local churches as "non-essential operations." The assumption from the States is that killing unborn babies is more important than the corporate gathering of Christians in worship.
    "Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45

    "May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ2 View Post
    "Tampa megachurch pastor arrested after leading packed services despite 'safer-at-home' orders"

    https://www.fox5ny.com/news/tampa-me...at-home-orders
    The state isn't making any friends with this nonsense. I hope they continue to escalate.



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