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    Will Coronavirus-Weary Americans Start To Rebel In ‘Wartime’ ?

    Pat Buchanan

    https://www.theamericanconservative....el-in-wartime/

    "It’s a war,” says President Donald Trump of his efforts to contain the coronavirus pandemic, and likening his role to that of “wartime president.”

    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo welcomed the president’s claim to his commander in chief role in the crisis and his resolve: “The president and I agreed yesterday… we’re fighting the same war — and this is a war.”

    Some measures already taken do call to mind actions in wartime.

    Commercial airline flights have been reduced or canceled. Schools have been closed. Universities have shut their doors.

    Where Ford, Chrysler, GM and other great auto companies shifted production to jeeps, tanks and bombers in 1942, U.S. auto factories have today been shut down to prevent the spread of the virus.

    Bars and restaurants are being closed.

    This month, millions of Americans will be added to unemployment rolls, and millions of senior citizens and elderly have already followed government directives to “self-isolate” or “shelter in place.”

    There is talk of quarantines lasting not days or weeks, as Americans knew in the days of measles, mumps, chickenpox, scarlet fever and polio, but months.

    While a new social solidarity and spirit of self-sacrifice seem to be manifesting themselves in this pandemic, can it endure?

    Is the country prepared for months, or years, of social isolation, if that is what is required to win this war?

    It is a question that needs to be addressed...

    A prediction: The longer the orders to shelter in place and self-isolate remain in force, the greater the probability they will begin to be ignored and people will take the risks to end their isolation and be with friends.

    Will Americans suffer in social isolation, inside their own homes for months, while a state-induced Great Depression washes over the land?

    My guess is that many will rebel.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-21-2020 at 07:12 AM.



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    I don't think we will see much push back at all from the public. They are meekly complying so far. This may be how freedom ends, from a mass panic over the flu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I don't think we will see much push back at all from the public. They are meekly complying so far. This may be how freedom ends, from a mass panic over the flu.
    I don't know. On one hand, a lot of youth wish to party. I saw police clearing crowded beaches in Florida.

    On the other hand there are business owners, like myself, who have no idea how we are paying the bills if this goes on more than a couple weeks. When it comes down to it, I am going to feed my kids.

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    I am still enjoying the outdoors, taking strolls, observing the empty streets. I was quite surprised to see a couple of LEO walking their canines. I have never seen anything like this in my entire life. Amazing.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I don't think we will see much push back at all from the public. They are meekly complying so far. This may be how freedom ends, from a mass panic over the flu.
    It is a cold virus. Not the flu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I don't know. On one hand, a lot of youth wish to party. I saw police clearing crowded beaches in Florida.

    On the other hand there are business owners, like myself, who have no idea how we are paying the bills if this goes on more than a couple weeks. When it comes down to it, I am going to feed my kids.
    Something just occurred to me. While I'm opposed to all bailouts I would think if the government forces businesses to close they should be compensated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I am still enjoying the outdoors, taking strolls, observing the empty streets. I was quite surprised to see a couple of LEO walking their canines. I have never seen anything like this in my entire life. Amazing.
    Social distancing has always been my goal.

    I'm going fishing today and I don't expect to see anybody else near me but my dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    It is a cold virus. Not the flu.
    That's not exactly the proverbial distinction without a difference. More of a difference without a distinction.
    'I prefer someone who burns the flag and then wraps themselves up in the Constitution over someone who burns the Constitution and then wraps themselves up in the flag.'--Molly Ivins

    'Well, you can get no more liberty than you give.'--Will Rogers



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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Something just occurred to me. While I'm opposed to all bailouts I would think if the government forces businesses to close they should be compensated.
    That occurred to me too. But isn’t that what tptb want/planned?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    That occurred to me too. But isn’t that what tptb want/planned?
    I thought they wanted to bailout everyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I thought they wanted to bailout everyone?
    Forcing businesses to close ultimately leads to bailouts. And more government control. At added cost to taxpayers. Among everything else which opposes the true free market.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Something just occurred to me. While I'm opposed to all bailouts I would think if the government forces businesses to close they should be compensated.
    that is correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I don't know. On one hand, a lot of youth wish to party. I saw police clearing crowded beaches in Florida.

    On the other hand there are business owners, like myself, who have no idea how we are paying the bills if this goes on more than a couple weeks. When it comes down to it, I am going to feed my kids.
    Cash reserves are important in business but not always practical for some. My business could currently survive 4-5 years without a sale. A lot of my competitors are not going to survive this. They have their inventory financed and constantly rob Peter to pay Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Something just occurred to me. While I'm opposed to all bailouts I would think if the government forces businesses to close they should be compensated.
    I'm opposed to bailouts as well. But if the government is handing out money I am taking it. It was mine to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Forcing businesses to close ultimately leads to bailouts. And more government control. At added cost to taxpayers. Among everything else which opposes the true free market.
    That's a good point although that leads to a separate question. "Should the government ever be allowed to force closures?"

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    The entire thing would seem to be an overtly fabricated hoax to cause mass panic and ignite a global war on vaccinating.


    Annual CDC influenza figures, United States cases, averaged over the last 8-years:

    Deaths: 37,875 (3,156 per month)
    Hospitalizations: 440,875 (36,740 per month)
    Illnesses: 27,787,500 (2,315,625 per month)

    Coronavirus over the last (approx.) 60-days within the United States:

    Deaths: 260 (130 per month)
    Reported cases: 19,624 (9,812 per month)
    Recoveries: 147 (73.5 a month)

    * COVID-19 has no prescribed vaccine as of yet. Ergo, a ‘corona virus’ is effectively a generic name (temporarily) given to a virus that exhibits flu like symptoms and for which no vaccination or cure has been created.

    ** In addition, the CDC has reported that “between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year.”

    *** ‘Pandemic’ defined: an outbreak of a disease that occurs over a wide geographic area and affects an exceptionally high proportion of the population : a pandemic outbreak of a disease
    The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius


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    I am sure single, trust fund babies see this shut down as a truly magical experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    That's a good point although that leads to a separate question. "Should the government ever be allowed to force closures?"
    No. If the business is mine, or even handled by a board, nobody has a right to say what I can or should do with it. If the consumer opted not to buy my goods or services, that is their choice, and should be the only determination whether my doors stay open or not.

    My signature says it best ;-)
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    That's a good point although that leads to a separate question. "Should the government ever be allowed to force closures?"
    No..

    the Government should never do anything,,nor have means to do so..

    The people do as they wish and tell the Government what to do..

    in a free society.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I am sure single, trust fund babies see this shut down as a truly magical experience.
    They shut down Spring Break.

    there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth..

    and lost income for the service industry.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston White View Post
    The entire thing would seem to be an overtly fabricated hoax to cause mass panic and ignite a global war on vaccinating.


    Annual CDC influenza figures, United States cases, averaged over the last 8-years:

    Deaths: 37,875 (3,156 per month)
    Hospitalizations: 440,875 (36,740 per month)
    Illnesses: 27,787,500 (2,315,625 per month)

    Coronavirus over the last (approx.) 60-days within the United States:

    Deaths: 260 (130 per month)
    Reported cases: 19,624 (9,812 per month)
    Recoveries: 147 (73.5 a month)

    * COVID-19 has no prescribed vaccine as of yet. Ergo, a ‘corona virus’ is effectively a generic name (temporarily) given to a virus that exhibits flu like symptoms and for which no vaccination or cure has been created.

    ** In addition, the CDC has reported that “between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year.”

    *** ‘Pandemic’ defined: an outbreak of a disease that occurs over a wide geographic area and affects an exceptionally high proportion of the population : a pandemic outbreak of a disease
    I have no explanation as to why there is mass panic over this particular virus and not others. As you have seen, statistically it's not that bad.

    I don't know if I buy into the whole idea of a nefarious global cabal conspiring to benefit from mass panic, but something hinky is surely afoot here. This doesn't feel right. Anyone with half a brain can google the numbers and see it's just not that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I have no explanation as to why there is mass panic over this particular virus and not others. As you have seen, statistically it's not that bad.

    I don't know if I buy into the whole idea of a nefarious global cabal conspiring to benefit from mass panic, but something hinky is surely afoot here. This doesn't feel right. Anyone with half a brain can google the numbers and see it's just not that bad.
    Was there mass panic, at least outside of Italy? All I saw lose its damned mind was the Very Stable Geniuses of government, not any significant portion of the public.

    If there's no benefit to be derived from what the government is doing, why is it being done? Did government lose its mind?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-21-2020 at 11:50 AM.

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    Rebel ? How ? they cannot go out for pizza and beer , its closed to dine in .

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Rebel ? How ? they cannot go out for pizza and beer , its closed to dine in .
    I can totally see "flash diners" grabbing their to go boxes and invading closed dining rooms.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 03-21-2020 at 01:27 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    No. If the business is mine, or even handled by a board, nobody has a right to say what I can or should do with it. If the consumer opted not to buy my goods or services, that is their choice, and should be the only determination whether my doors stay open or not.

    My signature says it best ;-)
    Explain liquor licenses and 2am last calls to me then. Point being, if you want your Liberty you can’t give an inch and you’ve got to hold the line... all the time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumba of Liberty View Post
    Explain liquor licenses and 2am last calls to me then. Point being, if you want your Liberty you can’t give an inch and you’ve got to hold the line... all the time!
    Liquor “licenses” are contracts with the state. Same with CCW, and the weekend burning “permits” in your own backyard, which sheep are too eager and happy to purchase. Civil disobedience anyone ;-)

    Yes you are right.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Most people are complying voluntarily, but there is a lot of “rebelling” that has been going on since the beginning. There are bars and businesses that haven’t closed. Yesterday I was driving by a public park, and it looked like a Saturday. A big soccer game was going on, with some spectators. Guess some of the Hispanic workers who are not working are using this as a holiday. On TV they show younger people that are playing basketball, things like that.

    There was a (paid) gardener out doing some yards in the neighborhood. He was by himself, so social distancing was correct, but I have heard that Police in some cities have stopped and told gardeners to go home.

    So the real question is not when or if people will rebel, it’s when will the authorities crack down on people who don’t respect their authoritay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Was there mass panic, at least outside of Italy? All I saw lose its damned mind was the Very Stable Geniuses of government, not any significant portion of the public.

    If there's no benefit to be derived from what the government is doing, why is it being done? Did government lose its mind?
    What is your idea of mass panic? I think I have seen mass panic. The local stores are emptied out for no reason. Whole isles are empty. My kids say they saw shoppers in masks and gloves. I have family members refusing to leave their homes and losing their $#@! about having a visitor come over. I was on a plane last week so I have people refusing to be near both me and anyone I contacted. This is in the middle of nowhere, we have no cities within 50 miles.

    I offer no explanation for what the majority of the public and the government are doing. I don't understand it at all. I'm not concerned at all about the virus, I'm concerned about the economic fallout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    I have no explanation as to why there is mass panic over this particular virus and not others. As you have seen, statistically it's not that bad.

    I don't know if I buy into the whole idea of a nefarious global cabal conspiring to benefit from mass panic, but something hinky is surely afoot here. This doesn't feel right. Anyone with half a brain can google the numbers and see it's just not that bad.
    This is a dry run.

    The purpose here is to see if they can tamp down the herd (that's us) long enough to allow the elites to get to their bunkers and shelters during the period of time before a really bad bug burns 99 percent of us down.

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    Yes, pretty evident MSM has been stoking fear & panic from the get go.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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