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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
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Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Like that's big differencce.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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If government is ordering property owners to shut down their business, why shouldn't people be compensated?
This.
Libertarians say, they've already screwed the free market. The problem with that is it creates problems, and the government can't possibly anticipate all the problems they're creating.
But hell. If they've already screwed the pooch anyway, print me off some of that lettuce. Why should Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and Boeing get it all?
Amash is HUNDRED times the politician than Donald J . Trump. Amash has the balls to tell the truth.
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@Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:
Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.
7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll
Justin Amash is wrong about his position for cash relief for Americans. In effect, yes, he's adopting a socialist solution for this crisis. It's socialist because it's allowing the federal government to create money from the Fed (causing inflation, which is a tax on goods and services), money which was not earned from production, and give it out arbitrarily to certain people, based on the whims of the federal government, not on the forces of the market.
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
lmao...you can overly fertile all you want while I wait for you to come up with another one of those beautiful explanations.
On the topic of potential stimulus plan, you called Trump a fascist. But when Amash called for "immediate cash relief", well THATS explainable.
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No, I don't. I even gave up long ago on voting for the lesser of two idiots.
But as long as I'm outvoted, can I not voice support for the less idiotic of the two idiotic proposals under consideration without being called a hypocrite?
Bailing out corporations is fascism. Bailing out taxpayers is not combining corporate and government power. Especially since not all corporations get bailed out, but all citizens under a certain income level do.
Which looks like the lesser evil to you?
If I'm neither calling for picking corporate winners and losers, nor for nationalizing everything, but merely for an unscheduled tax refund, how am I a hypocrite again?
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2. Devil21 - LARPing Wizard, fake magical script reader
3. Firestarter - Tax Troll; anti-tax = "criminal behavior"
4. TheCount - Comet Pizza Pedo Denier <-- sick
@Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:
Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.
7 yrs/25k posts later RPF'ers still respond to this troll
Do you go to a special school?
Did Amash even make a proposal? All he said was "immediate cash relief" and you immediately defended it with no question by scrapping the bottom of the barrel saying the system is fkd anyways so might as well.
That doesn't seem like a well thought out defense of a plan you have no idea is about.
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@Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF =troll:
Who spends this much time copy/pasting the same recycled links, photos/talking points.
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No, actually I criticized it. In fact, I specifically said they're creating problems they can't anticipate. But you're ignoring that.
Your TDS is causing you to seize on the "if they can't be stopped at least let them direct the welfare at someone who can't afford to bribe them" part and build me a whole political philosophy out of that straw.
Screw that. I don't have to sit here and own what you build out of straw. I spoke English the first time. Read it again.
There's more than two ways of solving this issue, though. Unfortunately, too many businesses have submitted to the decrees of the federal government by shutting down their places of employment, instead of resisting those decrees, on the basis that the federal government has no right to tell a business when it's not allowed to produce its own goods and services. The prerogative for closing a business due to medical concerns belongs to the business owner, not the federal nor state governments. They're at liberty to stay open and continue their normal business without a government giving them permission to do so.
So, to bring this back full-circle to tebowlives' reply, no, businesses should not be compensated for closing their own places of employment because they have the right to say "No" to the federal government, in the first place. The federal government isn't God, and therefore, it has no right to order property owners to shut down their businesses. Period. That's their loss for complying with the federal government, to the detriment of their employees, customers, and shareholders by not continuing production and making profits.
I wouldn't call you a hypocrite, but I will say that you're being inconsistent, acptulsa, if you agree with Amash while condemning Trump.
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
I can disagree that we must print the FRN into oblivion, but agree that doing to enrich corporate stockholders is more stupid, counterproductive and morally reprehensible than doing it to help citizens survive. At least the latter way, We, the People can use the free market for our dying "dollars" to pick the winners and losers ourselves for a little while.
I can do that.
I can even cheer on a Representative who's saying, "Print it, but give it to the people," not because I agree with him 100%, but because he's helping even idiots see how reprehensible their own "Representatives" truly are.
In fact, I could go for a constitutional amendment right now. Change the name to the House of Reprehensibles.
Last edited by acptulsa; 03-22-2020 at 09:00 PM.
What happens when more money is printed and circulated into an economy, acptulsa? We have to look deeper than this being "an unscheduled tax refund," as you put it. Surely, you can see that the very people for whom the money was printed and given to will be hurt from the effects of inflation which comes from printing more money, right?
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
You know yer preachin' to the choir, right?
And if Justin Amash proves to people that this corporate welfare is evil, and so are the politicians handing it out? Do we look that gift horse in the mouth?
Do you want to know what hypocrisy is, @eleganz? It's criticizing people for disapproving of one guy's ham-handed lies on Twitter because they're "3D Chess (®)", then jumping down their throats when they find a better chess player.
I know where your convictions lie about the Federal Reserve, so, yes, I know I'm "preaching to the choir." It's to those convictions that I'm appealing, so you can understand that Americans still won't be helped by giving them cash relief, printed from thin air.
Giving Americans cash relief (and even so, it won't be all Americans, which means the handouts will be given out based on governmental bias) just sets a precedent for...more cash relief. One-time handouts won't be enough, rest assured. Therefore, the only thing Amash will prove to the American people is that he supports socialism when he believes it's in their best interest, as all socialists normally do. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions," as the old saying goes.
We need to condemn Amash's line of thinking, and call it out for what it is, no matter what his intent may be, however good it may be.
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
Call it what you want. In an emergency government can shut down businesses and when they do they owe the property owner. I'm not trying to be mean but it's that simple. You can't ignore the fact that government has shut them down and say it's socialist.
This is an actual emergency. General welfare and not specific
And yes if it is given out arbitrarily it isn't good.
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We also need to give Amash some credit. When people are buying the devil's own dogma, sometimes it helps one tear it apart to say, "Let's suppose your belief has merit. Wouldn't it lead to this more sensible thing? And if your leaders in your dogma aren't doing that, does that not mean your leaders don't believe what they preach?"
Is Amash trolling Congress and the electorate? Yes, yes he is. Accidentally or on purpose, he's playing some actual, useful, helpful chess against the fascists.
Last edited by acptulsa; 03-22-2020 at 09:27 PM.
Property owners also have the right to challenge the federal government on what constitutes an "emergency," especially if it affects their "bottom line." In any case, the responsibility to close business lies with the business owner, not the federal government, and because of that, business owners can refuse to comply, if they have better information or discernment that a shutdown is unnecessary.
The fact that many states are designating certain businesses as "essential operations" reveals that property owners ought to have the freedom to remain open, of their own prerogative, without government interference. Private owners should decide whether their business is essential to the consumer, employees, and stakeholders, even in cases of public, medical concerns. And during such concerns, employees and customers have the liberty to decide if they want to work or buy/sell to those businesses. But the reality that businesses have to wait for a government entity to label them as "essential" in a crisis before they can continue their own business of their own capital and free will is the revelation that we're enslaved by the State.
And that's my point. It is socialism in action by the fact that the federal government has arrogated to itself the authority to shut businesses down, at the behest of the federal government's own perception that a medical crisis exists, not of the property owner's discretion based on his or her own research, discernment, etc. It's not like federal governments don't lie about emergencies (false flags) and work their best to "never let a crisis go to waste." Private owners have the freedom to create their own "redress of grievances," too. But, no, we're seeing socialism rear its ugly head through the skin of a "national crisis," and even people like Justin Amash have to gaze in awe at it.
"Then David said to the Philistine, 'You come to me with a sword, a spear, and a javelin, but I come to you in the name of Yahweh of hosts, the God of the battle lines of Israel, Whom you have reproached.'" - 1 Samuel 17:45
"May future generations look back on our work and say that these were men and women who, in moment of great crisis, stood up to their politicians, the opinion-makers, and the Establishment, and saved their country." - Dr. Ron Paul
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