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    Rand Paul headed to the Senate floor...





    edit: video added (thanks Valli6)
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    Ron Wyden speaking against the Paul amendment.

    He's an a$$hole when he wants to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Ron Wyden speaking against the Paul amendment.

    He's an a$$hole when he wants to be.
    yep.

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    Rand Paul: I want to remove spending from less important areas to pay for this bill .

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    Rand: Congress should remain calm and not explode the debt

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    Solid speech.

    Well done Rand.

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    14 no 1 yes

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    R's holding out to make sure it won't pass before voting? 20-1


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    that's that 43 nay 1 yay
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    is anybody watching these fools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by olehounddog View Post
    is anybody watching these fools?
    Yes.

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    Mittons had to sanitize before he could sit.

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    So, what is this?!
    Are all these republican NO votes supposed to prove how much they care? Or is about showing unwavering support for Trump?
    Why? WHY? WHY?

    Clown Romney: "No one's listening!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    So, what is this?!
    Are all these republican NO votes supposed to prove how much they care? Or is about showing unwavering support for Trump?
    Why? WHY? WHY?

    Clown Romney: "No one's listening!"

    Boeing is going bankrupt. The hospitality industry is going bankrupt. The biggest private equity firm Blackstone is about to be insolvent. Las Vegas is bankrupt.

    It would be 2030 before things in bankruptcy got settled in this country. If we have a Great Depression scenario, the S&P 500 would hit 1993 levels. That will work out real great for 401ks and pension funds.

    Rand is a doctor not someone with any finance experience. Rand has no comprehension of what is happening right now. He thinks this is some little flu bug and things will be back to normal in a few weeks. And if a few companies go bankrupt then good. Get rid of those bad apples and it will be like 1920. He doesn't get like 70% of the companies in the country can't survive for more than a few months without any revenue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Boeing is going bankrupt. The hospitality industry is going bankrupt. The biggest private equity firm Blackstone is about to be insolvent. Las Vegas is bankrupt.

    It would be 2030 before things in bankruptcy got settled in this country. If we have a Great Depression scenario, the S&P 500 would hit 1993 levels. That will work out real great for 401ks and pension funds.

    Rand is a doctor not someone with any finance experience. Rand has no comprehension of what is happening right now. He thinks this is some little flu bug and things will be back to normal in a few weeks. And if a few companies go bankrupt then good. Get rid of those bad apples and it will be like 1920. He doesn't get like 70% of the companies in the country can't survive for more than a few months without any revenue.
    Nailed it. Rand is unwittingly destroying his political career as we speak.
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    More important to stand for what you believe than to sell out for any reason. Rand retained his honor over the sellouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefJustice View Post
    Nailed it. Rand is unwittingly destroying his political career as we speak.
    Isn't that sad that the ones who destroy our country because the always choose the easy band aid on the problems and never look into the intricacies of the problems and do the right thing are the ones that survive in politics.

    It's not Rand's fault that the morons in charge have mandated that half our economy shut it's doors until God knows when.
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    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever..... just like Trump said.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Boeing is going bankrupt. The hospitality industry is going bankrupt. The biggest private equity firm Blackstone is about to be insolvent. Las Vegas is bankrupt.

    It would be 2030 before things in bankruptcy got settled in this country. If we have a Great Depression scenario, the S&P 500 would hit 1993 levels. That will work out real great for 401ks and pension funds.

    Rand is a doctor not someone with any finance experience. Rand has no comprehension of what is happening right now. He thinks this is some little flu bug and things will be back to normal in a few weeks. And if a few companies go bankrupt then good. Get rid of those bad apples and it will be like 1920. He doesn't get like 70% of the companies in the country can't survive for more than a few months without any revenue.
    You're not convincing me. How does any of that make it a okay to continue spending money on frivolous perks for foreigners?

    I support our governmentís efforts to fight the coronavirus. We also owe it to the American people to do it in a way that avoids piling billions more in debt on their backs. My amendment responsibly uses taxpayer resources by reducing waste to pay for this new spending,Ē said Dr. Paul.

    Dr. Paulís amendment would rescind unobligated FY 2020 balances for the East-West Center, which was highlighted in the Citizens Against Government Wasteís 2019 Congressional Pig Book on wasteful spending. Previously, even the Obama administration proposed significantly reducing the Centerís funding.

    It would also rescind unobligated FY 2020 balances for the Inter-American Foundation (IAF), a past topic of Dr. Paulís Waste Reports. The IAF is largely duplicative of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) and has used American taxpayer dollars on projects such as teaching circus arts in Argentina, helping deported illegal immigrants start a business (and without being able to rule out that the money would not go to criminal deportees), jumpstarting the Haitian film industry, and promoting a Haitian dance troupe. In addition, the IAF has not been reauthorized since 1984.

    Dr. Paulís amendment would also proportionately rescind funding for the State Departmentís Cultural Exchange programs and USAIDís non-health activities. Both agencies have been frequently cited by Dr. Paul for massive waste of taxpayer dollars.

    https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/dr-...virus-response

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Boeing is going bankrupt. The hospitality industry is going bankrupt. The biggest private equity firm Blackstone is about to be insolvent. Las Vegas is bankrupt.

    It would be 2030 before things in bankruptcy got settled in this country. If we have a Great Depression scenario, the S&P 500 would hit 1993 levels. That will work out real great for 401ks and pension funds.

    Rand is a doctor not someone with any finance experience. Rand has no comprehension of what is happening right now. He thinks this is some little flu bug and things will be back to normal in a few weeks. And if a few companies go bankrupt then good. Get rid of those bad apples and it will be like 1920. He doesn't get like 70% of the companies in the country can't survive for more than a few months without any revenue.
    I do agree that a service based economy cannot stand this for long, but Rand calling for the right thing to do is not the problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever..... just like Trump said.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    You're not convincing me. How does any of that make it a okay to continue spending money on frivolous perks for foreigners?

    That first bill was only $8 billion. Let's just say all of Rand's proposals would cover $8 billion.

    The response to this is going to need to be a couple of trillion minimum. So Rand's cuts will pay for .01%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    That first bill was only $8 billion. Let's just say all of Rand's proposals would cover $8 billion.

    The response to this is going to need to be a couple of trillion minimum. So Rand's cuts will pay for .01%.
    Okay. Let's be honest here. Rand's amendment is not going to pass. It never was. It's a truth seed. Andrew Yang's UBI didn't have a snowball's chance in hell just a month ago. Now it's all the rage. Sometimes injecting some truth serum is more important than the hand wringing over what might happen if the truth serum was actually taken. But let's say it was taken. How much would we save not just today, but over the next 50 to 100 years if we finally pulled back from the Middle East? Not just cash money, but also the lives of U.S. soldiers?
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

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    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Proud of Rand for standing up. I can only hope Kentuckians feel the same because the media will spin this it as being mean and cruel.



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    Here's how the KY Courier Journal is reporting it:

    Senate rejects Rand Paul's amendment to emergency coronavirus bill

    The U.S. Senate overwhelmingly rejected Republican Rand Paul's efforts on Wednesday to offset spending in an emergency coronavirus response bill.

    Paul, of Kentucky, argued mightily during a floor speech for senators to pay for the $100 billion stimulus package approved by the Democratic-controlled House by cutting funding for wars or "frivolous" programs.

    "I ask my colleagues to stop wasting money in this time of crisis," he said. "Stop being a rubber stamp for wasteful spending ó do your jobs and prioritize our precious resources. It is our job and our responsibility to conserve our resources."

    The amendment would require a Social Security number for purposes of the child tax credit; to provide the president the authority to transfer funds as necessary; and terminate U.S. military operations and reconstruction activities in Afghanistan.

    The GOP-controlled Senate, however, dismissed Paul's plan by a 95-3 vote with Republican Sens. Mike Braun, of Indiana, and Mike Lee, of Utah, joining him.

    Paul's effort put him on the receiving end of criticism from several Senate Democrats, who described the amendment as a "poison pill" that had no place in a debate about a national health emergency.

    ďIn a time of national emergency, this Republican amendment is ridiculous," said Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, of New York. "A colossal waste of time."

    Paul's move also put him at odds with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, also of Kentucky, who has been urging quick passage of the measure.

    McConnell stressed that he did not believe the Senate should let perfection be the enemy of something that will help even a subset of workers.

    "The men and women who pour their entire lives into small businesses do not need even more new obstacles," McConnell said Wednesday. "They need help. They need a lifeline. They need to know that Congress understands the historic obstacles they are facing, and that we have their back, too."

    Paul was blamed for keeping the Senate from voting on the bill Tuesday night, according to NBC News, which cited two leadership sources.

    Paul spokeswoman Kelsey Cooper said there was an agreement to have the amendment voted upon, and that there was no delay due to Paul's office.

    On March 5, Paul made headlines for being the sole "no" vote when the Senate approved $8.3 billion in emergency aid to fight the coronavirus. More than $7 million of that has gone to Kentucky, which has reported more than 25 positive cases of COVID-19.

    Paul's office did not address questions related to The Courier Journal's report that he attended an event in Louisville where two guests tested positive for COVID-19.

    The senator's spokeswoman said he "didn't interact with the known infected individuals" but did not directly address whether he had been tested or would self-quarantine.

    Paul was among dozens of attendees, including Rep. John Yarmuth, Mayor Greg Fischer and Gov. Andy Beshear, at the Speed Art Museum's March 7 fundraiser.

    Yarmuth, Fischer and Beshear announced they had all been tested and the results were negative for COVID-19.
    https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...te/2863112001/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Boeing is going bankrupt. The hospitality industry is going bankrupt. The biggest private equity firm Blackstone is about to be insolvent. Las Vegas is bankrupt.

    It would be 2030 before things in bankruptcy got settled in this country. If we have a Great Depression scenario, the S&P 500 would hit 1993 levels. That will work out real great for 401ks and pension funds.

    Rand is a doctor not someone with any finance experience. Rand has no comprehension of what is happening right now. He thinks this is some little flu bug and things will be back to normal in a few weeks. And if a few companies go bankrupt then good. Get rid of those bad apples and it will be like 1920. He doesn't get like 70% of the companies in the country can't survive for more than a few months without any revenue.
    I see absolutely nothing wrong with saying we should cut money elsewhere if we're going to spend it here, or that we would be prepared for this pandemic if we hadn't been wasting money for the past . . . century. It's actually a good point. We're not prepared to handle this. We've been blowing money on useless wars and stupid grants for idiotic studies and now when we need the money for something potentially worthwhile it's going to have to be printed out of thin air (well it has been for those other things too, but now even more so).

    I'd say if anyone doesn't take it seriously, it's everyone who thinks those other things are just as important or worthy of spending money on, not Rand.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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