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    Exclamation Ron Paul-The Coronavirus Hoax: Overhyped To Bring About More Tyranny

    The Coronavirus Hoax: Overhyped To Bring About More Tyranny

    https://thewashingtonstandard.com/th...rce=whatfinger

    Ron Paul / March 16, 2020

    Governments love crises because when the people are fearful they are more willing to give up freedoms for promises that the government will take care of them. After 9/11, for example, Americans accepted the near-total destruction of their civil liberties in the PATRIOT Act’s hollow promises of security.

    It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the Administration grab more power and authority in the name of fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100 Americans.

    Declaring a pandemic emergency on Friday, President Trump now claims the power to quarantine individuals suspected of being infected by the virus and, as Politico writes, “stop and seize any plane, train or automobile to stymie the spread of contagious disease.”

    He can even call out the military to cordon off a US city or state.

    State and local authoritarians love panic as well.

    The mayor of Champaign, Illinois, signed an executive order declaring the power to ban the sale of guns and alcohol and cut off gas, water, or electricity to any citizen.

    The governor of Ohio just essentially closed his entire state.

    The chief fearmonger of the Trump Administration is without a doubt Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health.

    Fauci is all over the media, serving up outright falsehoods to stir up even more panic.

    He testified to Congress that the death rate for the coronavirus is ten times that of the seasonal flu, a claim without any scientific basis.

    On Face the Nation, Fauci did his best to further damage an already tanking economy by stating, “Right now, personally, myself, I wouldn’t go to a restaurant.”

    He has pushed for closing the entire country down for 14 days.

    Over what? A virus that has thus far killed just over 5,000 worldwide and less than 100 in the United States? By contrast, tuberculosis, an old disease not much discussed these days, killed nearly 1.6 million people in 2017.

    Where’s the panic over this?

    If anything, what people like Fauci and the other fearmongers are demanding will likely make the disease worse.

    The martial law they dream about will leave people hunkered down inside their homes instead of going outdoors or to the beach where the sunshine and fresh air would help boost immunity.

    The panic produced by these fearmongers is likely helping spread the disease, as massive crowds rush into Walmart and Costco for that last roll of toilet paper.

    The madness over the coronavirus is not limited to politicians and the medical community.

    The head of the neoconservative Atlantic Council wrote an editorial this week urging NATO to pass an Article 5 declaration of war against the COVID-19 virus!

    Are they going to send in tanks and drones to wipe out these microscopic enemies?

    People should ask themselves whether this coronavirus “pandemic” could be a big hoax, with the actual danger of the disease massively exaggerated by those who seek to profit – financially or politically – from the ensuing panic.

    That is not to say the disease is harmless.

    Without question, people will die from coronavirus.

    Those in vulnerable categories should take precautions to limit their risk of exposure.

    But we have seen this movie before.

    Government over-hypes a threat as an excuse to grab more of our freedoms.

    When the “threat” is over, however, they never give us our freedoms back.



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    Exclamation Authoritarian dream... The Coronavirus Hoax

    ron paul
    mar 16, 2020




    Governments love crises because when the people are fearful they are more willing to give up freedoms for promises that the government will take care of them. After 9/11, for example, Americans accepted the near-total destruction of their civil liberties in the PATRIOT Act’s hollow promises of security.

    It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the Administration grab more power and authority in the name of fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100 Americans.

    Declaring a pandemic emergency on Friday, President Trump now claims the power to quarantine individuals suspected of being infected by the virus and, as Politico writes, “stop and seize any plane, train or automobile to stymie the spread of contagious disease.” He can even call out the military to cordon off a US city or state.

    State and local authoritarians love panic as well. The mayor of Champaign, Illinois, signed an executive order declaring the power to ban the sale of guns and alcohol and cut off gas, water, or electricity to any citizen. The governor of Ohio just essentially closed his entire state.

    The chief fearmonger of the Trump Administration is without a doubt Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health. Fauci is all over the media, serving up outright falsehoods to stir up even more panic. He testified to Congress that the death rate for the coronavirus is ten times that of the seasonal flu, a claim without any scientific basis.

    On Face the Nation, Fauci did his best to further damage an already tanking economy by stating, “Right now, personally, myself, I wouldn’t go to a restaurant.” He has pushed for closing the entire country down for 14 days.

    Over what? A virus that has thus far killed just over 5,000 worldwide and less than 100 in the United States? By contrast, tuberculosis, an old disease not much discussed these days, killed nearly 1.6 million people in 2017. Where’s the panic over this?

    If anything, what people like Fauci and the other fearmongers are demanding will likely make the disease worse. The martial law they dream about will leave people hunkered down inside their homes instead of going outdoors or to the beach where the sunshine and fresh air would help boost immunity. The panic produced by these fearmongers is likely helping spread the disease, as massive crowds rush into Walmart and Costco for that last roll of toilet paper.

    The madness over the coronavirus is not limited to politicians and the medical community. The head of the neoconservative Atlantic Council wrote an editorial this week urging NATO to pass an Article 5 declaration of war against the COVID-19 virus! Are they going to send in tanks and drones to wipe out these microscopic enemies?

    People should ask themselves whether this coronavirus “pandemic” could be a big hoax, with the actual danger of the disease massively exaggerated by those who seek to profit – financially or politically – from the ensuing panic.

    That is not to say the disease is harmless. Without question people will die from coronavirus. Those in vulnerable categories should take precautions to limit their risk of exposure. But we have seen this movie before. Government over-hypes a threat as an excuse to grab more of our freedoms. When the “threat” is over, however, they never give us our freedoms back.


    http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...onavirus-hoax/
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    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    We posted the same article at the same time.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...ronavirus-Hoax

    The more “exposure”, the better ;-)
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    Read the RPF trolls' playbook here (post #3)

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    Exactly, this whole thing is a hoax, created by the powerful TP lobby
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The Coronavirus Hoax: Overhyped To Bring About More Tyranny
    It is ironic to see the same Democrats who tried to impeach President Trump last month for abuse of power demanding that the Administration grab more power and authority in the name of fighting a virus that thus far has killed less than 100 Americans.
    It's more than ironic. It's telling. Consider this.

    1) The first case of corona occurred in December 2019.

    2) Trump's impeachment began in December 2019.

    3) Pelosi tried to keep the impeachment going as long as possible by not forwarding over the articles.

    4) On February 11, 2020, it was QUIETLY announced that the military was setting up coronavirus quarantine camps near major airports.

    5) On or around March 5, 2020, Trump downplays the virus by saying his "hunch" is that the mortality rate may be lower than 3.4 because there are people who get infected, never really get sick, and so keep the infection number low. The mortality rate is the number of deaths divided by the number of infections. Trump's "hunch" is obviously right and actual public health professionals have said the same thing, but because Trump said it and it's based on his "hunch" that well is poisoned.

    6) After being vilified for not doing enough, Trump jumps on board and declares a national emergency.

    7) Nancy Pelosi and company work hand in glove with Trump on emergency funding. Nobody complains about this BECAUSE THIS WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG!

    Trump isn't fighting the deep state. He's a part of it. And the 4th quarter 2020 push for gun control and "climate change control" which began before the virus panic plays into this as well.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    All the government is doing is trying to see how far they can push us and see where our breaking point is.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Exactly, this whole thing is a hoax, created by the powerful TP lobby
    What’s the TP lobby?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Exactly, this whole thing is a hoax, created by the powerful TP lobby

    Those damned "TP nuts" ruin everything with their absolutist interpretation of their #2 rights.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Exactly, this whole thing is a hoax, created by the powerful TP lobby
    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    What’s the TP lobby?
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Those damned "TP nuts" ruin everything with their absolutist interpretation of their #2 rights.
    Back up the truck now! Get your TP before the price goes through the roof. The value of TP has never gone to zero...
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    This is an opportunity for government authoritarians to take away more of our liberty. -Ron Paul

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    The Coronavirus Hoax: Overhyped To Bring About More Tyranny
    I appreciate why some of my fellow libertarians think this way, but this is wrong.

    Will politicians try to exploit this crisis in some way? Obviously.

    But that doesn't mean it's a fake crisis. It's a very real crisis.

    If anything, it's been underhyped, at least until very recently.

    The state has a legitimate role to play in epidemics, as only it can do certain things which sometimes must be done (e.g. mandatory quarantines).
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Governments love crises because when the people are fearful they are more willing to give up freedoms for promises that the government will take care of them. After 9/11, for example, Americans accepted the near-total destruction of their civil liberties in the PATRIOT Act’s hollow promises of security.
    I was just thinking today this whole mess reminds me of 9/11, but in my mind the loss of liberty will be even greater.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Thumbs up The Coronavirus Hoax # Ron Paul


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Governments love crises because when the people are fearful

    State and local authoritarians love panic as well.

    Government over-hypes a threat as an excuse to grab more of our freedoms.

    When the “threat” is over, however, they never give us our freedoms back.
    Sorry to be on Team Bad Guy, Ron, but you know who loves fear?

    I love fear!

    You know who loves panic?

    I love me a big ole walloping panic!

    And you know what Ron? "Da Freedoms" are all already gone!

    Where are the freedoms? Can you tell me? Can you show me? Have you got you a stash you're not telling us about?





    There ain't no freedoms, they are all gone. That's OVAH!

    So get a grip.

    There are different kinds of fears. And "prepper" fear is healthy fear. Hunkering down for the apocalypse is healthy fear. The government can do whatevs, it really doesn't matter. What matters is that having a fun pandemic hoax is a good mental strengthening exercise, which will make some of my fellow community members a little bit less disgustingly weak and worthy of extermination. It's good for them to have to engage in bloodsport to obtain their toiletries. Don't take that away from them, AF. Two Shoppers Enter! One Shopper Leaves! Let the people toughen up.

    Long term:
    Tough, paranoid people = less tyranny. Fat, blissful, happy people = infinite tyranny.
    Last edited by H_H; 03-17-2020 at 02:31 PM.

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    RAND PAUL TESTS POSITIVE FOR CORONAVIRUS DAYS AFTER HIS FATHER DISMISSED PANIC OVER THE DISEASE AS A HOAX
    https://www.newsweek.com/rand-pauls-...vid-19-1493662

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    Quote Originally Posted by dude58677 View Post
    What’s the TP lobby?
    I think that is all those people loaded down on Walmart stock that are behind this toilet paper panic .



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    RAND PAUL TESTS POSITIVE FOR CORONAVIRUS DAYS AFTER HIS FATHER DISMISSED PANIC OVER THE DISEASE AS A HOAX
    https://www.newsweek.com/rand-pauls-...vid-19-1493662
    Newsweek reached out to the Ron Paul Institute for comment.
    https://www.newsweek.com/rand-pauls-...vid-19-1493662
    Great! I enthusiastically look forward to hearing Ron Paul's sensible, informative response! I just can't believe a media entity has actually offered him the opportunity to explain what he was saying! It's a first, isn't it? Normally, they just draw the wrong conclusion and act all smug and superior - staying always within that predetermined bubble of beliefs they're willing to acknowledge. Allowing Ron Paul to respond? I'm shocked!

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    Ron is the only one with common sense, but the people still love their safety first morons . Trump wouldn't dare fire Fauci . Cuomo and Newsome are loved for taking action

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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    Ron is the only one with common sense, but the people still love their safety first morons . Trump wouldn't dare fire Fauci . Cuomo and Newsome are loved for taking action
    It really is sickening.
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    12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Hysteria

    Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.
    What he says:
    We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.
    [The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.
    All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.
    *

    Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specializing in Pulmonology …
    What he says:
    Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things. We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”
    That’s missing.
    *

    Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University, former Chief Public Health Officer for Manitoba province and Medical Director of the International Centre for Infectious Diseases.
    What he says:
    I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why. …
    *

    Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences. He is director of the Stanford Prevention Research Center, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS). He is also the editor-in-chief of the European Journal of Clinical Investigation. He was chairman at the Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Ioannina School of Medicine as well as adjunct professor at Tufts University School of Medicine.
    As a physician, scientist and author he has made contributions to evidence-based medicine, epidemiology, data science and clinical research. In addition, he pioneered the field of meta-research. He has shown that much of the published research does not meet good scientific standards of evidence.
    What he says:
    Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. … The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher. … even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes.
    […]
    If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average.
    – “A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data”, Stat News, 17th March 2020
    *

    Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry. He also worked as Associate Dean of the Tel Aviv University Medical School and during the 1980s presented the science-based television show Tatzpit.
    What he says:
    Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.
    […]
    In every country, more people die from regular flu compared with those who die from the coronavirus.
    […]
    …there is a very good example that we all forget: the swine flu in 2009. That was a virus that reached the world from Mexico and until today there is no vaccination against it. But what? At that time there was no Facebook or there maybe was but it was still in its infancy. The coronavirus, in contrast, is a virus with public relations. Whoever thinks that governments end viruses is wrong.
    – Interview in Globes, March 22nd 2020
    *

    Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specializing Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy.
    What he says:
    We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years.
    […]
    In Italy, one in ten people diagnosed die, according to the findings of the Science publication, that is statistically one of every 1,000 people infected. Each individual case is tragic, but often – similar to the flu season – it affects people who are at the end of their lives.
    […]
    If we close the schools, we will prevent the children from quickly becoming immune. …
    – Interview in St. Galler Tagblatt, 22nd March 2020
    *

    Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association.
    What he says:
    we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown.
    – Interview in General Anzeiger, 18th March 2020
    *

    Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist. He is professor of virology, and the director of the Institute of Virology and HIV Research, at Bonn University.
    What he says:
    The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous.
    […]
    You also have to take into account that the Sars-CoV-2 deaths in Germany were exclusively old people. In Heinsberg, for example, a 78-year-old man with previous illnesses died of heart failure, and that without Sars-2 lung involvement. Since he was infected, he naturally appears in the Covid 19 statistics. But the question is whether he would not have died anyway, even without Sars-2.
    – Interview in Frankfurter Allgemeine, 16th March 2020
    *

    Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement, Assistance Publique-Hôpitaux de Marseille, conducting a peer-reviewed study on Coronavirus mortality for the government of France under the ‘Investments for the Future’ programme.
    What they say:
    The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.
    […]
    …it should be noted that systematic studies of other coronaviruses (but not yet for SARS-CoV-2) have found that the percentage of asymptomatic carriers is equal to or even higher than the percentage of symptomatic patients. The same data for SARS-CoV-2 may soon be available, which will further reduce the relative risk associated with this specific pathology.
    – “SARS-CoV-2: fear versus data”, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, 19th March 2020
    *

    Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center
    What he says:
    I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order.
    – “Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease?”, New York Times 20th March 2020
    *

    Michael T. Osterholm is regents professor and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.
    What he says:
    Consider the effect of shutting down offices, schools, transportation systems, restaurants, hotels, stores, theaters, concert halls, sporting events and other venues indefinitely and leaving all of their workers unemployed and on the public dole. The likely result would be not just a depression but a complete economic breakdown, with countless permanently lost jobs, long before a vaccine is ready or natural immunity takes hold.
    […]
    [T]he best alternative will probably entail letting those at low risk for serious disease continue to work, keep business and manufacturing operating, and “run” society, while at the same time advising higher-risk individuals to protect themselves through physical distancing and ramping up our health-care capacity as aggressively as possible. With this battle plan, we could gradually build up immunity without destroying the financial structure on which our lives are based.
    – “Facing covid-19 reality: A national lockdown is no cure”, Washington Post 21st March 2020
    *

    Dr Peter Goetzsche is Professor of Clinical Research Design and Analysis at the University of Copenhagen and founder of the Cochrane Medical Collaboration. He has written several books on corruption in the field of medicine and the power of big pharmaceutical companies.
    What he says:
    Our main problem is that no one will ever get in trouble for measures that are too draconian. They will only get in trouble if they do too little. So, our politicians and those working with public health do much more than they should do. No such draconian measures were applied during the 2009 influenza pandemic, and they obviously cannot be applied every winter, which is all year round, as it is always winter somewhere. We cannot close down the whole world permanently.
    Should it turn out that the epidemic wanes before long, there will be a queue of people wanting to take credit for this. And we can be damned sure draconian measures will be applied again next time. But remember the joke about tigers. “Why do you blow the horn?” “To keep the tigers away.” “But there are no tigers here.” “There you see!”
    – “Corona: an epidemic of mass panic”, blog post on Deadly Medicines 21st March 2020
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    Ben Swan: Coronavirus Truth
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    99 Percent of COVID-19 Bug Cases Do Not Require Medical Treatment Data From South Korea Shows
    True, this isn't like the flu — it's FAR MILDER …

    Are people dying of covid-19 or with covid-19?
    The data from South Korea, where tracking the coronavirus has been by far the best to date, indicate that as much as 99 percent of active cases in the general population are “mild” and do not require specific medical treatment. The small percentage of cases that do require such services are highly concentrated among those age 60 and older, and further so the older people are. Other things being equal, those over age 70 appear at three times the mortality risk as those age 60 to 69, and those over age 80 at nearly twice the mortality risk of those age 70 to 79. ...

    South Korea promptly, and uniquely, started testing the apparently healthy population at large, finding the mild and asymptomatic cases of Covid-19 other countries are overlooking. The experience of the Diamond Princess cruise ship, which houses a contained, older population, proves the point. The death rate among that insular and uniformly exposed population is roughly 1 percent. [Cruise tourists are also older than the general population.]

    The deaths have been mainly clustered among the elderly, those with significant chronic illnesses such as diabetes and heart disease, and those in both groups. …
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  26. #23
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  27. #24
    German Virologist of International Renown Warns Government Lockdowns Are a Horrible Mistake, Will Make Crisis Worse

    Prof. Dr. Karin Mölling, is an internationally renowned virologist and AIDS researcher
    Highlights:

    • …“what’s going on right now is what we experience more or less every winter. This was particularly noticeable two years ago with influenza, the flu. The test for SARS-Corona 2 was not yet known. It may well be that this virus played a part. Nobody knows.”
    • “You are now told every morning how many SARS-Corona 2 deaths there are. But they don’t tell you how many people already are infected with influenza this winter and how many deaths it has caused. … Something similar occurred two years ago. This is not put into the right context.”
    • “Maybe one should not do so much against young people having parties together and infecting each other. We have to build immunity somehow. How can that be possible without contacts? The younger ones handle the infection much better.”
    • “20 dead again, how terrible! … If there are 20,000. Then we get close to what went on completely quietly two years ago.”
    • … “The disease per se is like the flu in a normal winter. It is even weaker in the first week.
    • “People in China all have a cough. This is called Beijing Cough. This is a cough because they already have lungs damaged by air pollution.”
    • “the SARS-Corona 2 tests has not been validated, not really checked.” …
    • “I was asked on TV what I thought about old people going for a walk. I can only say: Yes, they should do it. Fresh air is good, that dilutes; anyone can imagine that. The second thing that’s good about it is the sun. Ultraviolet light kills viruses. This is good in children’s playgrounds; it is good for children when they do sports outside. It’s good outside! Being more outside is the best.”
    • “And under no circumstances a curfew!”
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.



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  29. #25
    Prof. Dr. med. Sucharit Bhakdi : Reality vs Hype and Hysteria (turn on subtitled)



    The doctor:
    “This is the incredible tragedy, because all these measures are actually senseless.
    “[The government measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous.”
    “The life expectancy of millions is being shortened.”
    “The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients who are in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All of this will impact profoundly on our whole society. ”
    “All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide over nothing but a spook.”
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  30. #26
    Stanford Professors for WSJ: Covid-19 Fatality Rate Estimates Too High by Orders of Magnitude

    Dr. Eran Bendavid and Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professors of medicine at Stanford, conclude the current estimates about the Covid-19 fatality rate may be too high by orders of magnitude. They point to the significant “denominator problem” often discussed here by those who are familiar with advanced modeling. …

    projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.

    Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate 2% to 4% of people with confirmed Covid-19 … So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, two million to four million could die. … that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases.

    Population samples from China, Italy, Iceland and the U.S. provide relevant evidence. … the percentage who tested positive was 0.9%. If this was the prevalence in the greater Wuhan area on Jan. 31, then, with a population of about 20 million, greater Wuhan had 178,000 infections, about 30-fold more than the number of reported cases. The fatality rate, then, would be at least 10-fold lower than estimates based on reported cases.

    Next, the northeastern Italian town of V, near the provincial capital of Padua. On March 6, all 3,300 people of V were tested, and 90 were positive, a prevalence of 2.7%. Applying that prevalence to the whole province (population 955,000), which had 198 reported cases, suggests there were actually 26,000 infections at that time. That’s more than 130-fold the number of actual reported cases. Since Italy’s case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, the real fatality rate could in fact be closer to 0.06%.

    Tens of thousands of people traveled from Wuhan to the U.S. in December. Existing evidence suggests that the virus is highly transmissible and that the number of infections doubles roughly every three days. An epidemic seed on Jan. 1 implies that by March 9 about six million people in the U.S. would have been infected. As of March 23, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 499 Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. If our surmise of six million cases is accurate, that’s a mortality rate of 0.01%, assuming a two week lag between infection and death. This is one-tenth of the flu mortality rate of 0.1%. Such a low death rate would be cause for optimism.

    A universal quarantine may not be worth the costs it imposes on the economy, community and individual mental and physical health. We should undertake immediate steps to evaluate the empirical basis of the current lockdowns. …
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  31. #27
    Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai, MIT scientist with 4 PHD degrees including systems biology, respected expert and researcher on the human immune system :



    Last edited by AZJoe; 03-26-2020 at 06:01 PM.
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    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

  32. #28
    So how do we ignore what's happening in New York? Are they doing tricks with the numbers so the media will tell everybody it's serious?

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    So how do we ignore what's happening in New York? Are they doing tricks with the numbers so the media will tell everybody it's serious?
    New York is a different world.
    It's a packed city and people talk inches from each other's faces. I am Midwest boy and I tend to stand six feet away from people anyway.

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    So how do we ignore what's happening in New York? Are they doing tricks with the numbers so the media will tell everybody it's serious?
    385 deaths have been attributed to coronavirus in New York state. That's 0.002% of the population.
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