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    Coronavirus vs. the Mass Surveillance State: Which Poses the Greater Threat?

    Coronavirus vs. the Mass Surveillance State: Which Poses the Greater Threat?

    “If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.”—Philip K. Dick

    Emboldened by the citizenry’s inattention and willingness to tolerate its abuses, the government has weaponized one national crisis after another in order to expands its powers.

    The war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on illegal immigration, asset forfeiture schemes, road safety schemes, school safety schemes, eminent domain: all of these programs started out as legitimate responses to pressing concerns and have since become weapons of compliance and control in the police state’s hands.

    It doesn’t even matter what the nature of the crisis might be—civil unrest, the national emergencies, “unforeseen economic collapse, loss of functioning political and legal order, purposeful domestic resistance or insurgency, pervasive public health emergencies, and catastrophic natural and human disasters”—as long as it allows the government to justify all manner of government tyranny in the so-called name of national security.

    Now we find ourselves on the brink of a possible coronavirus contagion.

    I’ll leave the media and the medical community to speculate about the impact the coronavirus will have on the nation’s health, but how will the government’s War on the Coronavirus impact our freedoms?

    For a hint of what’s in store, you can look to China—our role model for all things dystopian—where the contagion started.

    In an attempt to fight the epidemic, the government has given its surveillance state apparatus—which boasts the most expansive and sophisticated surveillance system in the world—free rein. Thermal scanners using artificial intelligence (AI) have been installed at train stations in major cities to assess body temperatures and identify anyone with a fever. Facial recognition cameras and cell phone carriers track people’s movements constantly, reporting in real time to data centers that can be accessed by government agents and employers alike. And coded color alerts (red, yellow and green) sort people into health categories that correspond to the amount of freedom of movement they’re allowed: “Green code, travel freely. Red or yellow, report immediately.”

    Mind you, prior to the coronavirus outbreak, the Chinese surveillance state had already been hard at work tracking its citizens through the use of some 200 million security cameras installed nationwide. Equipped with facial recognition technology, the cameras allow authorities to track so-called criminal acts, such as jaywalking, which factor into a person’s social credit score.

    Social media credit scores assigned to Chinese individuals and businesses categorize them on whether or not they are “good” citizens. A real-name system—which requires people to use government-issued ID cards to buy mobile sims, obtain social media accounts, take a train, board a plane, or even buy groceries—coupled with social media credit scores ensures that those blacklisted as “unworthy” are banned from accessing financial markets, buying real estate or travelling by air or train. Among the activities that can get you labeled unworthy are taking reserved seats on trains or causing trouble in hospitals.

    That same social credit score technology used to identify, track and segregate citizens is now one of China’s chief weapons in its fight to contain the coronavirus from spreading. However, it is far from infallible and a prime example of the difficulties involved in navigating an autonomous system where disembodied AI systems call the shots. For instance, one woman, who has no symptoms of the virus but was assigned a red code based on a visit to her hometown, has been blocked from returning to her home and job until her color code changes. She has been stuck in this state of limbo for weeks with no means of challenging the color code or knowing exactly why she’s been assigned a red code.

    Fighting the coronavirus epidemic has given China the perfect excuse for unleashing the full force of its surveillance and data collection powers. The problem, as Eamon Barrett acknowledges in Fortune magazine, is what happens after: “Once the outbreak is controlled, it’s unclear whether the government will retract its new powers.”

    The lesson for the ages: once any government is allowed to expand its powers, it’s almost impossible to pull back.

    Meanwhile, here in the U.S., the government thus far has limited its coronavirus preparations to missives advising the public to stay calm, wash their hands, and cover their mouths when they cough and sneeze.

    Don’t go underestimating the government’s ability to lock the nation down if the coronavirus turns into a pandemic, however. After all, the government has been planning and preparing for such a crisis for years now.

    The building blocks are already in place for such an eventuality: the surveillance networks, fusion centers and government contractors that already share information in real time; the government’s massive biometric databases that can identify individuals based on genetic and biological markers; the militarized police, working in conjunction with federal agencies, ready and able to coordinate with the federal government when it’s time to round up the targeted individuals; the courts that will sanction the government’s methods, no matter how unlawful, as long as it’s done in the name of national security; and the detention facilities, whether private prisons or FEMA internment camps, that have been built and are waiting to be filled.

    Now all of this may sound far-fetched to you now, but we’ve already arrived at the dystopian futures prophesied by George Orwell’s 1984, Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, and Philip K. Dick’s Minority Report.

    It won’t take much more to push us over the edge into Neill Blomkamp’s Elysium, in which the majority of humanity is relegated to an overpopulated, diseased, warring planet where the government employs technologies such as drones, tasers and biometric scanners to track, target and control the populace.

    Mind you, while these technologies are already in use today and being hailed for their potentially life-saving, cost-saving, time-saving benefits, it won’t be long before the drawbacks to having a government equipped with technology that makes it all-seeing, all-knowing, and all-powerful——helped along by the citizenry—far outdistance the benefits.

    On a daily basis, Americans are relinquishing (in many cases, voluntarily) the most intimate details of who we are—their biological makeup, our genetic blueprints, and our biometrics (facial characteristics and structure, fingerprints, iris scans, etc.)—in order to navigate an increasingly technologically-enabled world.

    Consider all the ways you continue to be tracked, hunted, hounded, and stalked by the government and its dubious agents:

    By tapping into your phone lines and cell phone communications, the government knows what you say. By uploading all of your emails, opening your mail, and reading your Facebook posts and text messages, the government knows what you write. By monitoring your movements with the use of license plate readers, surveillance cameras and other tracking devices, the government knows where you go. By churning through all of the detritus of your life—what you read, where you go, what you say—the government can predict what you will do.

    By mapping the synapses in your brain, scientists—and in turn, the government—will soon know what you remember. By mapping your biometrics—your “face-print”—and storing the information in a massive, shared government database available to bureaucratic agencies, police and the military, the government’s goal is to use facial recognition software to identify you (and every other person in the country) and track your movements, wherever you go. And by accessing your DNA, the government will soon know everything else about you that they don’t already know: your family chart, your ancestry, what you look like, your health history, your inclination to follow orders or chart your own course, etc.

    Of course, none of these technologies are foolproof.

    Nor are they immune from tampering, hacking or user bias.

    Nevertheless, they have become a convenient tool in the hands of government agents to render null and void the Constitution’s requirements of privacy and its prohibitions against unreasonable searches and seizures.

    The ramifications of a government—any government—having this much unregulated, unaccountable power to target, track, round up and detain its citizens is beyond chilling.

    Imagine what a totalitarian regime such as Nazi Germany could have done with this kind of unadulterated power.

    Imagine what the next police state to follow in Germany’s footsteps will do with this kind of power. Society is rapidly moving in that direction.

    We’ve made it so easy for the government to watch us.

    Government eyes see your every move: what you read, how much you spend, where you go, with whom you interact, when you wake up in the morning, what you’re watching on television and reading on the internet.

    Every move you make is being monitored, mined for data, crunched, and tabulated in order to form a picture of who you are, what makes you tick, and how best to control you when and if it becomes necessary to bring you in line.

    Chances are, as the Washington Post has reported, you have already been assigned a color-coded threat assessment score—green, yellow or red—so police are forewarned about your potential inclination to be a troublemaker depending on whether you’ve had a career in the military, posted a comment perceived as threatening on Facebook, suffer from a particular medical condition, or know someone who knows someone who might have committed a crime.

    In other words, you’re most likely already flagged in a government database somewhere.

    The government has the know-how.

    Indeed, for years now, the FBI and Justice Department have conspired to acquire near-limitless power and control over biometric information collected on law-abiding individuals, millions of whom have never been accused of a crime.

    Going far beyond the scope of those with criminal backgrounds, the FBI’s Next Generation Identification database (NGID), a billion dollar boondoggle that is aimed at dramatically expanding the government’s ID database from a fingerprint system to a vast data storehouse of iris scans, photos searchable with face recognition technology, palm prints, and measures of gait and voice recordings alongside records of fingerprints, scars, and tattoos.

    Launched in 2008, the NGID is a massive biometric database that contains more than 100 million fingerprints and 45 million facial photos gathered from a variety of sources ranging from criminal suspects and convicts to daycare workers and visa applicants, including millions of people who have never committed or even been accused of a crime.

    In other words, innocent American citizens are now automatically placed in a suspect database.

    For a long time, the government was required to at least observe some basic restrictions on when, where and how it could access someone’s biometrics and DNA and use it against them.

    That is no longer the case.

    The information is being amassed through a variety of routine procedures, with the police leading the way as prime collectors of biometrics for something as non-threatening as a simple moving violation. The nation’s courts are also doing their part to “build” the database, requiring biometric information as a precursor to more lenient sentences. And of course Corporate America (including Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc.) has made it so easy to use one’s biometrics to access everything from bank accounts to cell phones.

    We’ve made it so easy for the government to target, identify and track us.

    Add pre-crime programs into the mix with government agencies and corporations working in tandem to determine who is a potential danger and spin a sticky spider-web of threat assessments, behavioral sensing warnings, flagged “words,” and “suspicious” activity reports using automated eyes and ears, social media, behavior sensing software, and citizen spies, and you having the makings for a perfect dystopian nightmare.

    This is the kind of oppressive pre-crime and pre-thought crime package foreshadowed by George Orwell, Aldous Huxley and Phillip K. Dick.

    Remember, even the most well-intentioned government law or program can be—and has been—perverted, corrupted and used to advance illegitimate purposes once profit and power are added to the equation.

    In the right (or wrong) hands, benevolent plans can easily be put to malevolent purposes.

    Surveillance, digital stalking and the data mining of the American people add up to a society in which there’s little room for indiscretions, imperfections, or acts of independence.

    This is the creepy, calculating yet diabolical genius of the American police state: the very technology we hailed as revolutionary and liberating has become our prison, jailer, probation officer, Big Brother and Father Knows Best all rolled into one.

    It turns out that we are Soylent Green.

    The 1973 film of the same name, starring Charlton Heston and Edward G. Robinson, is set in 2022 in an overpopulated, polluted, starving New York City whose inhabitants depend on synthetic foods manufactured by the Soylent Corporation for survival.

    Heston plays a policeman investigating a murder, who discovers the grisly truth about the primary ingredient in the wafer, soylent green, which is the principal source of nourishment for a starved population. “It’s people. Soylent Green is made out of people,” declares Heston’s character. “They’re making our food out of people. Next thing they’ll be breeding us like cattle for food.”

    Oh, how right he was.

    Soylent Green is indeed people or, in our case, Soylent Green is our own personal data, repossessed, repackaged and used by corporations and the government to entrap us.

    Without constitutional protections in place to guard against encroachments on our rights when power, technology and militaristic governance converge, it won’t be long before we find ourselves, much like Edward G. Robinson’s character in Soylent Green, looking back on the past with longing, back to an age where we could speak to whom we wanted, buy what we wanted, think what we wanted, and go where we wanted without those thoughts, words and movements being tracked, processed and stored by corporate giants such as Google, sold to government agencies such as the NSA and CIA, and used against us by militarized police with their army of futuristic technologies.

    We’re not quite there yet. But that moment of reckoning is getting closer by the minute.

    In the meantime, we’ve got an epidemic to survive, so go ahead and wash your hands. Cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze. And stock up on whatever you might need to survive this virus if it spreads to your community.

    We are indeed at our most vulnerable right now, but as I make clear in my book Battlefield America: The War on the American People, it’s the American Surveillance State—not the coronavirus—that poses the greatest threat to our freedoms.
    https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...greater_threat
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    Mass surveillance state is definitely the greater threat since its been around way longer than the coronavirus.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Now ask why the government is telling everyone not to wear face masks while an airborne disease is spreading...
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    howzbout BOTH

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Most have symptoms of a mild cold or flu. Bring it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    howzbout BOTH
    similar death rate on contact .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Now ask why the government is telling everyone not to wear face masks while an airborne disease is spreading...
    They don't help..(may actually increase chance of contracting).

    They are pointless. ^^

    and they are sold out nearly everywhere.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Needs a poll.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows



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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    Needs a poll.
    I vote $#@! the State.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Now ask why the government is telling everyone not to wear face masks while an airborne disease is spreading...
    10 fatalities in Wa State,, all in or directly related to one Nursing Home.

    Two reported NON cases locally.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    They don't help..(may actually increase chance of contracting).

    They are pointless. ^^

    and they are sold out nearly everywhere.
    The authorities keep telling us they are pointless. But we must save them for healthcare professionals.

    I’ll side with the healthcare professionals that are demanding face masks.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The authorities keep telling us they are pointless. But we must save them for healthcare professionals.

    I’ll side with the healthcare professionals that are demanding face masks.
    OK.. and you are welcome to live in a mask if you wish..

    I believe it is both pointless and potentially hazardous.

    The only purpose is to prevent the spread of YOUR germs... it does nothing to prevent such,, and can increase your exposure.(due to a warm moist environment)..

    This was a targeted bug.. But is fatal only to the already compromised.

    It's biggest effect is Economic..

    so look at it as an Educational experience and study the Economic effect of Bio Warfare.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The authorities keep telling us they are pointless. But we must save them for healthcare professionals.

    I’ll side with the healthcare professionals that are demanding face masks.
    They aren't demanding them for the beer virus, any more than I'm demanding dust masks for the beer virus. You're making connections that don't exist.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    10 fatalities in Wa State,, all in or directly related to one Nursing Home.

    Two reported NON cases locally.
    And I'm still not going to walk around with a frikking mask on my face, even though I acquired some from one of my GC's. I use them when I'm sanding, that's what they're made for. Not stopping a virus.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Oh ya, to answer the OP, the State is infinitely more dangerous than this bug.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Oh ya, to answer the OP, the State is infinitely more dangerous than this bug.
    yup

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows



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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    They aren't demanding them for the beer virus, any more than I'm demanding dust masks for the beer virus. You're making connections that don't exist.
    All “face masks” are not created equal. Nurses don’t want “dust” masks.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    All “face masks” are not created equal. Nurses don’t want “dust” masks.
    True, but that doesn't negate my point.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Now ask why the government is telling everyone not to wear face masks while an airborne disease is spreading...
    Quote before this all goes down the memory hole.

    Big Brother: "Masks work. They have always worked. We have always recommended masks. And we have always been at war with Eastasia."
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Mass surveillance state is definitely the greater threat since its been around way longer than the coronavirus.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/governm...ic-11585393202

    WASHINGTON—Government officials across the U.S. are using location data from millions of cellphones in a bid to better understand the movements of Americans during the coronavirus pandemic and how they may be affecting the spread of the disease.

    The federal government, through the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and state and local governments have started to receive analyses about the presence and movement of people in certain areas of geographic interest drawn from cellphone data, people familiar with the matter said. The data comes from the mobile advertising industry rather than cellphone carriers.

    The aim is to create a portal for federal, state and local officials that contains geolocation data in what could be as many as 500 cities across the U.S., one of the people said, to help plan the epidemic response.

    The data—which is stripped of identifying information like the name of a phone’s owner—could help officials learn how coronavirus is spreading around the country and help blunt its advance. It shows which retail establishments, parks and other public spaces are still drawing crowds that could risk accelerating the transmission of the virus, according to people familiar with the matter. In one such case, researchers found that New Yorkers were congregating in large numbers in Brooklyn’s Prospect Park and handed that information over to local authorities, one person said. Warning notices have been posted at parks in New York City, but they haven’t been closed.
    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)

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    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the Federal Reserve Notes of patriotic central banks

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    over the short term verses over the long term?

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    Worst plague in history killed what, 100-200 million people?

    Surveillance state has killed that many in the past 70 years.

    If you have anything to lose: the state. If you are impoverished: the plague.
    Relative threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The authorities keep telling us they are pointless. But we must save them for healthcare professionals.

    I’ll side with the healthcare professionals that are demanding face masks.
    They are telling us they are useless because the stores ran out and they are manufactured in China. Also, should people start looking into just HOW costco ran out, and when, and who bought them. Well, that might lead to inconvenient questions.

    The masks definitely work. There were no masks to sell. To head off unrest over this obvious and simple prophylactic the propaganda goes out, "Don't buy masks, they don't help." Better than, hey some ______ nationals bought all the masks and since we betrayed the nation by outsourcing--WE CANT GET ANY MORE.

    So, its easier to merely convince us plebs that the masks dont work.
    Last edited by bv3; 03-28-2020 at 11:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bv3 View Post
    They are telling us they are useless because the stores ran out and they are manufactured in China. Also, should people start looking into just HOW costco ran out, and when, and who bought them. Well, that might lead to inconvenient questions.

    The masks definitely work. There were no masks to sell. To head off unrest over this obvious and simple prophylactic the propaganda goes out, "Don't buy masks, they don't help." Better than, hey some ______ nationals bought all the masks and since we betrayed the nation by outsourcing--WE CANT GET ANY MORE.

    So, its easier to merely convince us plebs that the masks dont work.
    Yep, that’s about it. Lie to the people so they don’t know who to blame.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


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    Not sure if this is the appropriate place to post this but I think it has some interesting information, I learned a great deal. Please feel free to move it and I am sorry if it's one that has already been shared.

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    I remember watching a Sixty Minute or 20/20 episode a few decades ago where a virologist or epidemiologist with the CDC was talking about the Spanish Flu pandemic and how it spread in 1917. He said that in his opinion, that the only sure way to avoid becoming a victim in the next pandemic, which he also said was due anytime, was to have a cabin somewhere in the woods which is stocked. This was all based on historical records and scientific facts.

    He said that he had secured a place deep in the mountains which he has stocked full of supplies to see he and his wife through for a few months. He planned on telling his wife as soon as he knew it was happening to head there without delay, telling no one anything. He hoped that he would be able to join her, but said there was a possibility that he might not be ble to before he himself was exposed. Anyway, I don't think he is with us as he was in his sixties and that was at least twenty or thirty years ago. Hope he and his wife are in that cabin now though.

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    I've been thinking that one of the responses that will come out of this is a fully mandatory register (even though they basically have these already) that tallies the last x amount of places all people have traveled to and in "situations" like these, police will show up to your door to isolate you via quarantine for "everyone's community benefit."

    Scary to think, but remember, in every crisis we all emerge a little less free. They take it piece by piece in times when fear is rampant. We're getting to the end of the rope now though, where there isn't much left to take.
    Welcome to the R3VOLUTION!



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