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  1. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    You really have completely lost it. This is even more unintelligible than the average statement from sleepy Joe!

    This isn't the first time you insult me by calling me a "commie". Aren't there forum rules? Or do some members simply don't have to follow these rules?!?
    Please explain what makes me a "commie".

    What the hell do you mean by "it was a bad thing for Trump to stop the government from taking people's property because rain water made puddles in the wet season".
    Are you becoming "rain" man?!?
    Yes lying Donald was, is and will be a "bad thing". But the "rain" gibberish, I really don't have a clue.
    At least I can understand the "commie" insult.

    I'm afraid I completely missed the "Trump ending wars and bringing troops home" too.
    Which war did he end? Where is the evidence that Trump actually brought troops home?
    Nope, The rules are not enforced. otherwise this weasel wouldn't be here and I wouldn't be retaliating in kind.



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  3. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Nope, The rules are not enforced. otherwise this weasel wouldn't be here and I wouldn't be retaliating in kind.
    Yes, the mods need to be called out on this.
    ClydeCoulter on the Liberty Movement:
    Yeah, they'll argue over roads and religion, but there are certain themes that bind, among those are freedom and the search for truth and justice.

  4. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Yes, the mods need to be called out on this.
    They have been. I've messaged them but the ones running this forum are not interested. They put too much emphasis on the value of the copy and paste articles which are all very good and relevant over the actions of the pieces of filth who violate the code of conduct.
    Ones word used to mean something. Unfortunately at times here the word of those entrusted to uphold the code of conduct here have fallen flat.

  5. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are a commie whether you pretend not be or not.
    You're the "commie" here (at the very least more of a supporter of Marxist, dictatorial ideology than me), the Zionist Mormon.

    I've previously posted the connection between Zionism, Freemasonry and the Mormon Church. And also exposed that Marxism is effectively a form of Zionism:
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    Zio-Communism
    An obvious connection between Zionism and Communism, is that one of the founding fathers of both Zionism and Communism is Moses Hess (years before Theodor Herzl).
    Moses Hess was born in 1812 in Bonn, from a family of wealthy Jews in Rhineland. He died in 1875 in Paris and is buried in Israel.

    It was the same Hess, who converted Friedrich Engels to communism, and was ghost writer for parts of Marx's ideology.
    Hess, a pathological liar, was the founder of the “Rheinische Zeitung”, where he met Karl Marx.

    Karl Marx married the blue-blooded Jenny von Westphalen. The young couple spent a few months of honeymoon in the house of the elder Frau Marx.
    In September, Arnold Ruge settled in Paris, followed by Karl and Jenny Marx in November. Moses Hess had accompanied Ruge to Paris, where he introduced Ruge and Marx to the French socialists: https://www.marxists.org/archive/ruh.../marx/ch02.htm
    (http://archive.is/08HHc)


    Hess founded the German Social Democratic Party. Moses Hess wanted to use “communism” as the perfect lie to spread destruction.

    Moses Hess wrote about the need to agitate the social classes against each other and in this way hinder their co-operation (divide and conquer). He wanted to use Judaism, racism and the class struggle to orchestrate a socialist “revolution”.
    Moses Hess stressed that Socialism was – as per definition - international, as socialists have no fatherland.

    On the contrary, Moses Hess also declared that while Socialist internationalism would serve the interests of Zionism, Jews must be nationalists:
    Whoever denies Jewish nationalism is not only an apostate, a renegade in the religious sense, but also a traitor to his people and to his family.
    On 1 January 1842, Hess founded the newspaper Rheinische Zeitung and in 1843 made the 24 year-old Marx its editor.
    In the autumn of 1844, Moses Hess introduced Marx to the half-Jew Friedrich Engels in Paris.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Hess
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6916911



    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And you defended the WOTUS regulation and attacked Trump for getting rid of it along with defending commie regimes like the one in Bolivia or the one in Venezuela and Lula in Brazil.
    I've argued against the foreign, American interventions in Bolivia and Brazil. This doesn't mean that I'm a "socialist" let alone a "commie".
    You're the one supporting covert actions by the Trump administration to get rid of "unfriendly" regimes (that sounds soo much better than war!).

    I certainly haven't defended the dictatorial rule of Maduro over Venezuela.
    I've instead argued that Maduro and his predecessor Chavez were installed by American intelligence, Bush-crony Cisneros in particular.
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    Usually when a scandal suddenly gets lots of media attention, this is to cover up an even bigger scandal (more stuff coming).
    The Venezuela and Philippine links are certainly interesting….

    Two decades ago, 3 engineers, led by Antonio Mugica, founded the new election technology firm Smartmatic in Venezuela.
    After the 2000 US election, which made George W. Bush US president, they incorporated in Delaware (in 2000) with funds from Jorge Massa Dustou.
    Dustou was married to none other than the sister of media mogul billionaire Gustavo Cisneros.

    I’ve previously posted about the Cisneros links to Rockefeller and Bush, and their close association to both Hugo Chavez and his successor Nicolas Maduro.
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    Gustavo Cisneros was also a fishing friend of George H.W. Bush and is close to George W. Bush.
    See Gustavo Cisneros, George H.W. Bush with their wives.
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  6. #215
    President Joe Biden plans to announce Tuesday a withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan by the upcoming twentieth anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks, according to two people familiar with the plans.

    The withdrawal extends the US troop presence past a May 1 deadline set by the Trump administration in an agreement with the Taliban, but only by a matter of months.

    More at: https://www.wral.com/biden-to-announ...r-11/19624640/

    All of the credit belongs to Trump, Biden never would have done this if Trump hadn't pulled us most of the way out and made a deal to completely leave.
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  7. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    All of the credit belongs to Trump, Biden never would have done this [...]
    Done what?


    Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)

    • "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law." - The Law (p. 54)
    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
      - Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)
    • "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
      - Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)

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  9. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Done what?
    Make SS lose any semblance of critical thinking he may have allegedly ever had and go all...

    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Define Terrorist please.

    According to, well, pretty much both political parties, the other party is now guilty of Terrorism.
    Listening to the mainstream media is like standing under a power line when the birds are migrating.

  10. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Done what?
    Say he'll order something in the future. That's all Swordy needs to see in order to believe that it's, for all intents and purposes, already happened.

    The funny part is that Trump promised he would do a lot of things in the future and it kept his base calm, while none of it ever happened. Swordy can't seem to understand that Biden does the same to his own base, also.

    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  11. #219
    Taliban attack on covert US base in Afghanistan complicates Biden withdrawal decision

    April 8, 2021

    Top Senate Dem: Time to end the war in Afghanistan 01:03

    Washington (CNN)In one of the most significant attacks against US forces in Afghanistan recently, CNN has learned that the Taliban twice targeted one of the most heavily guarded bases in the country late last month and that US military personnel working for the CIA were at the installation when it came under fire.

    Rockets landed near Forward Operating Base Chapman, a classified US military installation in eastern Afghanistan, and wounded seven civilians outside the base, according to a US official familiar with the details. During a second attack, a water tower was hit and a few rounds landed on the base, though no US personnel were killed or injured.
    The attacks, which have not been widely reported, were followed by another in Kandahar this week, where Taliban rockets landed near a NATO air base used by US and coalition troops providing support to Afghan forces.
    The flurry of violence is fueling concerns inside the Biden administration that the Taliban could step up efforts to target American forces ahead of a May 1 deadline for the US to withdraw under an agreement struck under then-President Donald Trump, sources say.
    Biden himself has admitted publicly that it's unlikely the US will meet the deadline, and sources tell CNN the recent attacks underscore a growing belief among American officials that they must prepare to increasingly defend any US troops left behind, including several hundred special operations troops who at times work covertly for the CIA.

    Deputy CIA Director David Cohen, who briefly served as the agency's acting director, has been very vocal during recent interagency discussions on Afghanistan, according to the source familiar with internal discussions. This source told CNN that Cohen has weighed in more during these meetings than is traditionally expected from an acting official, advocating continued US involvement and emphasizing the importance of CIA operations in the country.

    Historically, US military interventioan in Afghanistan has been a key part of global war against anti-semitism also:

    Surprising Side Effects of Fight Against Anti-Semitism in USSR (Soviet Union)
    Some theories in the past had linked rise of extremist racial ideologies (some races are more supremacist/chosen than others) among Israelis and Israeli settlers to abuse, mistreatment and antisemitism against Jewish minorities in places like New York, Soviet Union/Russia, France, UK, Germany, Arab lands etc. In this frame, "racist" ideologies and extremism/violent extremism are sometimes seen as a reactionary coping machanism against abuse and trauma borne out of past or current insecurities that can be generational in some cases.
    Election few years ago of a Russian migrant bouncer and "racist" Foreign Minister Lieberman was also linked to past decades sharp rise in Jewish migration out of USSR to Israel following defeat/breakeup of Soviet Union at the hands of assorted variety of violent Islamist Jihadis, Foreign Fighters, terrorists in Afghanistan (sometimes known as "ISIS 1.0", armed by Israel and funded by Reagan/Carter and various Jesus Return Prophecies driven Evangelical Christian (allegedly anti-semitic) outfits).


    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    President Joe Biden plans to announce ...
    All of the credit belongs to Trump, Biden never would have done..
    EM.
    That's interesting argument. Hopefully you're right, he's said to be mentor/protege of Israel lobby groomed Obama who planned to "end wars" before he escalated wars. More than any POTUS, other factors and timelines probably bigger catalysts behind changes in policy.

    Excluding the 2017 Trump surge of 3500 troops and any war privatization efforts, do you have any numbers how many net troops were withdrawn by Trump?


    There are apparently about 28,000 military troops/contractors (American/NATO) still there.

    U.S. Has 1,000 More Troops in Afghanistan Than It Disclosed
    nytimes
    Mar 15, 2021 — In addition to the 3,500 Americans, there are roughly 7,000 NATO and allied troops still in Afghanistan

    Pentagon could open itself to costly litigation from contractors if US pulls out of Afghanistan this year
    By Oren Liebermann, CNN
    March 29, 2021
    (CNN) Despite the signing of the Doha agreement last February that called for a full drawdown of US troops and personnel from Afghanistan by May 1, the Department of Defense issued nearly a billion dollars in contracts to 17 different companies related to work in Afghanistan past the withdrawal date. There are currently some 18,000 contractors in the country, of which 6,350 are American citizens.

  12. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Make SS lose any semblance of critical thinking he may have allegedly ever had and go all...
    Go easy on him, he's trying to get emotionally prepared for Joe $#@!ing Biden to pull out of more wars than Donald Trump did.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    In conclusion THE ONLY WAY BIDEN IS GOING TO SEE THE INSIDE OF THE OVAL OFFICE IS VIA THE A WHITEHOUSE PUBLIC TOUR

  13. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Pretty much my position, when we're out I'll give credit where credit is due. Until then there's always a good chance of something happening to cause another escalation.
    Read about what's going on in Ukraine?

  14. #222
    The withdraw date is now September 11th. Nothing symbolic about that date whatsoever.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  15. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Done what?
    Agree to leave completely. (even if it is delayed a few months)
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  16. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Go easy on him, he's trying to get emotionally prepared for Joe $#@!ing Biden to pull out of more wars than Donald Trump did.
    I knew you would try to steal credit for Biden but it won't work.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  18. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    All of the credit belongs to Trump, Biden never would have done this [...]
    Done what?
    Agree to leave completely. (even if it is delayed a few months)
    Words, words, mere words, no matter from the heart.
    Th’ effect doth operate another way.
    Go, wind, to wind! There turn and change together.
    My love with words and errors still she feeds,
    But edifies another with her deeds.

  19. #226
    President Joe Biden said on Wednesday he will begin withdrawing U.S. troops from Afghanistan on May 1 to end America’s longest war, rejecting calls for U.S. forces to stay to ensure a peaceful resolution to that nation’s grinding internal conflict.

    In a White House speech, Biden acknowledged that U.S. objectives in Afghanistan had become “increasingly unclear” over the past decade. He set a deadline for withdrawing all 2,500 U.S. troops remaining in Afghanistan by Sept. 11, exactly 20 years after al Qaeda’s attacks on the United States that triggered the war.

    Meeting NATO officials in Brussels, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said foreign troops under NATO command in Afghanistan will leave in coordination with the U.S. withdrawal by Sept. 11, after Germany said it would match American plans.

    Blinken also spoke by phone with Pakistan’s army chief on Wednesday and discussed the peace process, the media wing of Pakistan’s military said.

    Afghan President Ashraf Ghani wrote on Twitter that he spoke with Biden and respects the U.S. decision. Ghani added that “we will work with our U.S. partners to ensure a smooth transition” and “we will continue to work with our US/NATO partners in the ongoing peace efforts.”

    More at: https://news.whatfinger.com/2021/04/14/time-to-end-the/
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  20. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I knew you would try to steal credit for Biden but it won't work.
    You spent 4 years trying to give Trump credit for things that he didn't actually do. Why stop now?
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    In conclusion THE ONLY WAY BIDEN IS GOING TO SEE THE INSIDE OF THE OVAL OFFICE IS VIA THE A WHITEHOUSE PUBLIC TOUR

  21. #228
    The NATO announced to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan, following Joe Biden's announcement to get them out by 11 September.
    Including the Dutch army...

    Should we now praise Biden for doing something "good"?
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  22. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    The NATO announced to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan, following Joe Biden's announcement to get them out by 11 September.
    Including the Dutch army...

    Should we now praise Biden for doing something "good"?
    Sure. Why not? Trump got the ball rolling and it looks like Biden is pretty much staying the course of Trumps plan.

  23. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Trump got the ball rolling and it looks like Biden is pretty much staying the course of Trumps plan.
    So you're really saying that we should give Donald credit for Biden taking "our troops" home?

    Is that similar to arguing that Donald couldn't be held accountable for continuing the horrible policies of his corrupt predecessor presidents?!?
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  24. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    The withdraw date is now September 11th. Nothing symbolic about that date whatsoever.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Agree to leave completely. (even if it is delayed a few months)

    LOL.. turns out it was all fake news.

    Trump set the date to pull out of Afghanistan to May 1. Biden extended it to Sept. 11.


    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    So you're really saying that we should give Donald credit for Biden taking "our troops" home?

    You got the story wrong.
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  25. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    So you're really saying that we should give Donald credit for Biden taking "our troops" home?

    Is that similar to arguing that Donald couldn't be held accountable for continuing the horrible policies of his corrupt predecessor presidents?!?
    No it's exactly what I said it was. Trump got the ball rolling, laid out a plan and Biden is finishing it. I can't explain it any plainer



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  27. #233
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    No it's exactly what I said it was. Trump got the ball rolling, laid out a plan and Biden is finishing it. I can't explain it any plainer
    Just for sake of discussion since I didn't read all the articles, can you point to where it's ever mentioned that any Afghanistan withdrawal means they're coming home?

    I'm always reminded to listen to what they actually say, not what I think I want to hear. Perhaps Trump at some point said he's bringing them home but I didn't see that mentioned in what I read of the CFR's....err Biden's statements on Afghanistan.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  28. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Just for sake of discussion since I didn't read all the articles, can you point to where it's ever mentioned that any Afghanistan withdrawal means they're coming home?

    I'm always reminded to listen to what they actually say, not what I think I want to hear. Perhaps Trump at some point said he's bringing them home but I didn't see that mentioned in what I read of the CFR's....err Biden's statements on Afghanistan.
    EM.

    Good point.

    4,000 more troops going to mideast ; 18,000 additional troops sent to mideast since May 2019

    Zero debate questions on Foreign Policy, Forever Wars, 14,000 troops sent to mideast in 2019
    Trump says U.S. troops can come home if Israel has peace
    By Philip Weiss October 16, 2020

    Trump threatens Iraq with crippling sanctions if US troops are expelled
    6 January 2020
    Donald Trump has threatened Iraq with "sanctions like they've never seen before" President Trump has threatened severe sanctions against Iraq after its parliament called on US troops to leave the country.
    Speaking from the presidential plane, Mr Trump said that if Iraq asked US forces to depart on an unfriendly basis, "we will charge them sanctions like they've never seen before, ever. It'll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame."



    How U.S. Troops Are Preparing for the Worst in the Middle East

    The Pentagon has directed about 4,500 troops to the region atop the roughly 50,000 already there as tensions rise with Iran. They are reinforcing their outposts, bases and airfields.

    A soldier preparing last week to deploy to the Middle East from Fort Bragg, N.C.Credit...Travis Dove for The New York Times
    Published Jan. 6, 2020

    WASHINGTON — American military units stationed in Iraq and Syria are readying for attacks from either Iranian forces or their proxies after the drone strike that killed a senior Iranian general last week.
    It is unclear what an Iranian retaliatory attack would look like after the death of Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani, an Iranian security and intelligence commander responsible for the deaths of hundreds of troops over the years, and Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, a powerful Iraqi militia commander and government official.
    nytimes.com/2020/01/06/world/middleeast/troops-iran-iraq.html

  29. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Just for sake of discussion since I didn't read all the articles, can you point to where it's ever mentioned that any Afghanistan withdrawal means they're coming home?

    I'm always reminded to listen to what they actually say, not what I think I want to hear. Perhaps Trump at some point said he's bringing them home but I didn't see that mentioned in what I read of the CFR's....err Biden's statements on Afghanistan.
    Yes coming home, in this instance, doesn't mean coming home. It's just a catchy phrase. But it does keep "Murcia out of one less country.

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