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    Trump tells lawmakers he won't support extending current surveillance laws

    President Donald Trump told top House and Senate Republicans on Tuesday evening that he would not support a clean extension of federal surveillance powers and called for them to work out a deal with Democrats on how to move forward.
    “The president made it exceedingly clear he will not accept a clean re-authorization ... without real reform," Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), told reporters after the meeting. "He was told by the attorney general, we can massage around the edges and we can fix this through regulation, the president didn't accept that, pushed back very vigorously and said 'we're not doing this.'"
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...nuolTh-hhByGq8



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    Remind me when he actually reforms the surveillance laws, not just when he talks about it. We all know talk is cheap especially when trump is concerned

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Remind me when he actually reforms the surveillance laws, not just when he talks about it. We all know talk is cheap especially when trump is concerned
    Just passing along what Rand Paul said. Take it as you want it. I really don't give a $#@! how you feel about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Just passing along what Rand Paul said. Take it as you want it. I really don't give a $#@! how you feel about it.
    Yes, the same man who said this?

    I have never been prouder of President Donald Trump. In today’s meeting, he stood up for a strong America and steadfastly opposed foreign wars. Putting America First means declaring victory in Afghanistan and Syria. President Trump is delivering on his promises.
    Yea, I am still waiting for action not words, Rand is a fan boy and people should be very skeptical of what Rand thinks of Trump's actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Yes, the same man who said this?



    Yea, I am still waiting for action not words, Rand is a fan boy and people should be very skeptical of what Rand thinks of Trump's actions.
    I really don't give a $#@! what you think. Did you miss that part?

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    @phill4paul Check Rand's twitter he's been posting a lot of updates on this

    www.twitter.com/RandPaul

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    I am so glad Rand is working with the President on this. If anyone needs to be in President Trump's ear, it is Rand.
    Proverbs 29:18
    "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he."

    Hosea 4:6
    "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

    "No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another.” ~ Charles Dickens

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I really don't give a $#@! what you think. Did you miss that part?
    Yea I see that, just giving my two cents to the thread. I hope I don't need to remind you the fact that this is a PUBLIC discussion forum. You post information of the forum and any member is allowed to discuss the issue. I hope me giving my two cents on the topic did not trigger you



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    Proverbs 29:18
    "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he."

    Hosea 4:6
    "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

    "No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another.” ~ Charles Dickens

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Yea I see that, just giving my two cents to the thread. I hope I don't need to remind you the fact that this is a PUBLIC discussion forum. You post information of the forum and any member is allowed to discuss the issue. I hope me giving my two cents on the topic did not trigger you
    You're incapable of "triggering" me. I pretty much pegged you for a dip-$#@! when you had the Che avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    You're incapable of "triggering" me. I pretty much pegged you for a dip-$#@! when you had the Che avatar.
    You are not a lone in that camp, sadly many people can't look beyond a books cover. They care more about cover over content, style over substance, fashion instead of functions, dogma over data........... I could go on. I am the same person I have always been. The avatar changed other people's perception of me but it never changed me.

    Some people have me on ignore after the changed which can help dampen the message come from my account but I will continue to reply to posts that I think I have something to contribute to like this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You are not a lone in that camp, sadly many people can't look beyond a books cover. They care more about cover over content, style over substance, fashion instead of functions, dogma over data........... I could go on. I am the same person I have always been. The avatar changed other people's perception of me but it never changed me.

    Some people have me on ignore after the changed which can help dampen the message come from my account but I will continue to reply to posts that I think I have something to contribute to like this one.
    You talk a lot about yourself. Must have a high opinion. Meh.

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    Trump is motivated to see reform because of the impeachment mess. From public comments at the time, it seems a lot of GOP senators had their eyes opened and are listening a little more open mindedly to Mike Lee et. al. on this issue. For probably the first time ever, I'm hopeful that there might be actual progress on this issue.
    I compiled a "brief" history of events since October 2008 that are defining the global currency war and the role that gold is playing:

    Tin Foil Hats, Economic Reality and the Total Perspective Vortex

    Also, have you contacted your Congressional Rep and asked them co-sponsor Ron Paul's Rep. Paul Broun Jr.'s HR 1098 77: Free Competition in Currencies Act?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Trump is motivated to see reform because of the impeachment mess. From public comments at the time, it seems a lot of GOP senators had their eyes opened and are listening a little more open mindedly to Mike Lee et. al. on this issue. For probably the first time ever, I'm hopeful that there might be actual progress on this issue.
    Not long until we find out. March 15th is the date the programs expire...

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    gee, i hope he doesnt cave...

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    VIDEO - Rand spoke to Lou Dobbs about this last night

    Video:

    https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1235000169315405826



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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshLowry View Post
    Re-instate "I Stand with Rand!" avatar add-on?
    Last edited by phill4paul; 03-04-2020 at 11:09 AM.

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    "reform" in this case means keeping the surveillance while removing the FISA court
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I just can't stand liars.

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    And because someone will say that the sky isn't blue and the grass isn't green, here is Trump's tweet supporting the FISA extension in 2018:

    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I just can't stand liars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    "reform" in this case means keeping the surveillance while removing the FISA court
    WRONG!
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Re-instate "I Stand with Rand!" avatar add-on?
    @JoshLowry, I second that emotion.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Good!

    Let's hope he sticks to his guns on this.

    Good on Rand as well.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Remind me when he actually reforms the surveillance laws, not just when he talks about it. We all know talk is cheap especially when trump is concerned
    Trump does good stuff like this all the time. When he completes this, you will say the same thing you always do. You will change the subject and complain about the debt.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Good!

    Let's hope he sticks to his guns on this.

    Good on Rand as well.
    He might get this passed with the president supporting him. March 15th is when this sh*t expires.


    Tick TOK ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Since he frequently contradicts himself his statements can't be trusted at all, you have to watch his actions to even guess about his positions or plans.
    EM.

    BTW do you support 'follow the money' doctrine?

    Do you believe GOPA wing is funded by Deep Neocons?

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    It’s election time- time for trump to ramp up the rhetoric.

    Still waiting on the endless wars to end.

    Good on Rand for continuing to push the issues, at least it’s in the conversation.

    At the end of the day Rand Paul and Donald Trump are just 2 people and all the talk in the world is useless when the Congress is full of trash
    No - No - No - No
    2016

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    'I'll do whatever it takes.. We're not going to let them have this easy'


    https://youtu.be/EU0DSPVLhl8



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