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Thread: Trump Turned Out to be a Super Zionist, Troops Aren't Home, Debt Huge. Bernie do Better?

  1. #31
    A Bernie supporter on RPF's. $#@!'s sake.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    Now Bernie looks like the only candidate with the guts to say anything bad about Israel. Even said in SC he would consider moving the US embassy back to Tel Aviv. That gives me pause. The first thing Trump does when he takes office is drop the MOAB on Afghanistan, and he moves the US embassy to Jerusalem. Kisses Bibi's ass like every other president. Troops still aren't home, and he runs up the debt and military budget to historic proportions. Feel suckered yet?

    But because the old man espouses a mild form of FDR socialism which would give people a living wage, he is persona non grata at RPF. Obviously Medicare for all and bigger initiatives will never pass.

    There is the big enemy and the little enemy. He is closer to Ron Paul on some positions than any Republican. Why should a Ron Pauler not watch his rise with reserved interest? Vote Sanders president for his foreign policy, vote Republican down-ticket to hamstring him domestically. A gridlocked government was the Founders' ideal.


    Please watch, he is a zionist just like Trump. Look at his record and not just what he says during the campaign



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I no longer give a $#@! one way or the other about the jews, the arabs or the wars.

    Nobody is going to stop them, they will stop when we go broke.

    Allowing Bernie and his Bolshevik bros access to the fedgov and its power is like asking for pancreatic cancer as a means of suicide.

    The current US left is a toxic stew of weirdosexuals, self loathing white Marxists and Jacobinites, and colored grievance groups.

    I have nothing in common with these people, I share no common goals, and I regret ever being suckered into thinking I could make "common political cause" with these psychotic lunatics.
    Starting to feel this way too. Unfortunately some of those lunatics also wear an R as their badge of identification.
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever.

    It won't take very long to get them home but it won't be overnight either but Iraq says they can't stay and they are coming home just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post


    Please watch, he is a zionist just like Trump. Look at his record and not just what he says during the campaign
    Bernie said that a one state solution would be the end of israel. So he cares about Demographics.
    But when white people care about Demographics we are called " racists" "White supremacists" "Neo-Nazis".
    God I hate this hypocrites so much!

  7. #35


    Looks like Donad's pandering to Israel has got him precisely no where.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCanadian View Post
    Not Until a massive collapse of the American economy as a whole. Which will happen. I will say this much be prepared and stock up on supplies on food, medicine, clothing. Just in case.
    On what are you basing this decided fact that the economy will collapse?

    Every time it has ever taken a small hit it always rebounds as smart money gets smarter and the market grows to new highs.

    The Dow closed almost down 1200 points yesterday but still looks like it is doing really well considering the implications of what has happened in China/around the world.. I’d argue that this downturn will make the market even stronger as big companies continue to realize they need to diversify its manufacturing and imports.

    I don’t buy into the idea of some looming crash- and most people who manage money don’t either. If nothing else this is a great buy opportunity that isn’t gonna pass me by.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    A Bernie supporter on RPF's. $#@!'s sake.
    Some of us were saying the same thing about Trump in 2016.
    There is no spoon.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    A Bernie supporter on RPF's. $#@!'s sake.
    Not uncommon at all...saw it all across NH.

    Contrary leftarians that easily switched to supporting a communist.

    The "movement" was a hollow shell.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Starting to feel this way too. Unfortunately some of those lunatics also wear an R as their badge of identification.
    No doubt...I'm not happy about this, but frankly it's come down to a matter of survival, both financial and physical, for me.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Just like how Obama gave us a war with Iran

    The man said is supports Israel 1000% and people are here still arguing if he is an Israeli firster
    O'Bummer was too busy getting us into Syria (which Trump is getting out of) and destroying Libya among lots of other things.
    He was also busy selling out to Iran so he wasn't going to start a war with them.

    Trump has been prompted to start a war with Iran multiple times and has refused and he has given Israel very little other than things Israel already had.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    1If that was his position he'd have us at war with Iran by now.


    2That may come, but if he tried for it now the courts would let her off the way the FBI did.


    3 He gutted it and his DoJ is helping get the courts to find it unconstitutional in its entirety.


    4 That may change, he is going against FISA now.


    5 I didn't like that he said that but I don't believe he meant it and he hasn't acted on it.


    1 I've never heard Trump admonish them for their war crimes, I have heard him approve of the land
    that they robbed. I saw Trump wear that silly little cap , I've heard Trump threaten to cut off very
    poor nations but not talk about sending anything but the continued Billions to Israel a quite rich
    country.

    2 I highly doubt that in fact I state emphatically that that will not happen. Most of us
    voted for Trump expecting , and banking on an indictment handed down to Hillary on day one
    at the very least, it did not happen and Hillary will never server her well deserved time in Prison.
    I think you know that too.

    3 He did not gut it and he did not Repeal as we had expected, it is still very intact, the machine is
    alive and thriving, just waiting for some socialist to come along and flip it back to a mandate, we do not
    need nor want Govt in our Health Care, we want Free Market.

    4 It won't change, Bush , Bush, Obama , Trump , Patriot Act is bigger than ever.


    5 He sounded sincere as hell to me, I think it was just a bout of ignorance on his part,
    maybe someone explained it to him and he 'got it' , I hope that is the case , and it well
    could be.

    Once again, I would so love to be wrong on all of this, but I know better.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    O'Bummer was too busy getting us into Syria (which Trump is getting out of) and destroying Libya among lots of other things.
    He was also busy selling out to Iran so he wasn't going to start a war with them.

    Trump has been prompted to start a war with Iran multiple times and has refused and he has given Israel very little other than things Israel already had.

    And let me add one more little item to number 1:

    Trump to decide or let the fed govt cut funding to colleges that they deem anti semitic for boycotting
    or speaking out against Israel , this is fkg maddening , the only Crimes, hate speech and so
    called hate graffiti that I've seen is that which is done by jews , there is no more anti Semitism in this
    country than there is any other type of negative rhetoric, they are not special , we all deserve the same
    protection or none.
    This move by trump further strengthens Govt control over speech , and a tighter stranglehold on
    education system.

    Trump continues to support the biggest cash cow meme in Human History: 'Anti Semitism' , I do not
    respect Trump for this stance that he takes with Israel, so yeah, America is not first, Israel is, and
    I'm a little surprised he hasn't announced where the real capital of America is located.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    1 I've never heard Trump admonish them for their war crimes, I have heard him approve of the land
    that they robbed. I saw Trump wear that silly little cap , I've heard Trump threaten to cut off very
    poor nations but not talk about sending anything but the continued Billions to Israel a quite rich
    country.
    He needs allies and he has chosen them and their supporters, that means he will not make overt moves against them at this time.
    But the only things he has given them are things they already had.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    2 I highly doubt that in fact I state emphatically that that will not happen. Most of us
    voted for Trump expecting , and banking on an indictment handed down to Hillary on day one
    at the very least, it did not happen and Hillary will never server her well deserved time in Prison.
    I think you know that too.
    We will see if it happens, but it simply can't happen now, the entire system is rigged in her favor and it is taking time to unrig it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    3 He did not gut it and he did not Repeal as we had expected, it is still very intact, the machine is
    alive and thriving, just waiting for some socialist to come along and flip it back to a mandate, we do not
    need nor want Govt in our Health Care, we want Free Market.
    Ending the mandate gutted it.
    And Congress refused to do its job and repeal it, he isn't a dictator.
    But his DoJ is going to get it declared unconstitutional.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    4 It won't change, Bush , Bush, Obama , Trump , Patriot Act is bigger than ever.
    FISA is going to change, watch what happens after that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    5 He sounded sincere as hell to me, I think it was just a bout of ignorance on his part,
    maybe someone explained it to him and he 'got it' , I hope that is the case , and it well
    could be.
    We will just have to disagree about his sincerity but he isn't doing anything about it and he won't.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    And let me add one more little item to number 1:

    Trump to decide or let the fed govt cut funding to colleges that they deem anti semitic for boycotting
    or speaking out against Israel , this is fkg maddening , the only Crimes, hate speech and so
    called hate graffiti that I've seen is that which is done by jews , there is no more anti Semitism in this
    country than there is any other type of negative rhetoric, they are not special , we all deserve the same
    protection or none.
    This move by trump further strengthens Govt control over speech , and a tighter stranglehold on
    education system.

    Trump continues to support the biggest cash cow meme in Human History: 'Anti Semitism' , I do not
    respect Trump for this stance that he takes with Israel, so yeah, America is not first, Israel is, and
    I'm a little surprised he hasn't announced where the real capital of America is located.
    I see that as a great excuse to defund liberal indoctrination centers.

    And it pleases his allies.

    Without allies he would have been removed from office and we would have someone much worse.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I see that as a great excuse to defund liberal indoctrination centers.

    And it pleases his allies.

    Without allies he would have been removed from office and we would have someone much worse.

    That's not what Trump did,
    I'll just leave it at that , I agree to disagree period, we could beat these 5 issues to death, I stand
    by my opinions and respect yours, just don't agree.

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    That's not what Trump did,
    I'll just leave it at that , I agree to disagree period, we could beat these 5 issues to death, I stand
    by my opinions and respect yours, just don't agree.
    Agreed.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by James_Madison_Lives View Post
    But because the old man espouses a mild form of FDR socialism which would give people a living wage ...

    I can't let this go. I get the feeling you don't think that's such a bad thing, do you?

    If we had an actual $15 an hour minimum wage, with no exceptions, our economy would be wrecked. We have a 50% unemployment rate, food lines, rioting, etc.

    Tell me I'm wrong.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    And let me add one more little item to number 1:

    Trump to decide or let the fed govt cut funding to colleges that they deem anti semitic for boycotting
    or speaking out against Israel , this is fkg maddening , the only Crimes, hate speech and so
    called hate graffiti that I've seen is that which is done by jews , there is no more anti Semitism in this
    country than there is any other type of negative rhetoric, they are not special , we all deserve the same
    protection or none.
    This move by trump further strengthens Govt control over speech , and a tighter stranglehold on
    education system.

    Trump continues to support the biggest cash cow meme in Human History: 'Anti Semitism' , I do not
    respect Trump for this stance that he takes with Israel, so yeah, America is not first, Israel is, and
    I'm a little surprised he hasn't announced where the real capital of America is located.
    + rep. If only some of the "old timers" here had that kind of clarity.
    "The Patriarch"



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Remember to include why I no longer give a $#@!...



    Any president that made a legitimate effort to bring the troops home would be killed.
    Sorry, but that just sounds like total defeatism. What you're saying is there's no use in trying to push, nay, demand we stop fighting Israels wars and wars of empire.

    No way I'm going there.
    "The Patriarch"

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I can't let this go. I get the feeling you don't think that's such a bad thing, do you?

    If we had an actual $15 an hour minimum wage, with no exceptions, our economy would be wrecked. We have a 50% unemployment rate, food lines, rioting, etc.

    Tell me I'm wrong.
    Lol, this brings back memories of me getting you two confused. I used to get pretty perplexed thinking you had a split personality.
    "The Patriarch"

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    + rep. If only some of the "old timers" here had that kind of clarity.
    Thank you O, don't you think that someone like Ron Paul or just about any of our
    forefathers were about policies , plain and simple , supporting those that respect our
    constitution.
    I would vote for Bernie, Hillary or Occasional Cortex if they were constitutionalists, pure,
    but of course they are not , not even close, Trump has done some great things, but I'll never stoop to
    giving him or anyone else credit where they insult our forefathers, where credit is not due.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Thank you O, don't you think that someone like Ron Paul or just about any of our
    forefathers were about policies , plain and simple , supporting those that respect our
    constitution.
    I would vote for Bernie, Hillary or Occasional Cortex if they were constitutionalists, pure,
    but of course they are not , not even close, Trump has done some great things, but I'll never stoop to
    giving him or anyone else credit where they insult our forefathers, where credit is not due.
    There are no "Statesmen" left after Ron retired. I guess this country gets what it deserves.
    "The Patriarch"

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Lol, this brings back memories of me getting you two confused. I used to get pretty perplexed thinking you had a split personality.
    The funny thing is my name didn't even come from James Madison, it came from me living in a city named Madison. But apparently I'm light years closer to James Madison in philosophy than "James_Madison".

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post


    Please watch, he is a zionist just like Trump. Look at his record and not just what he says during the campaign
    Ohhhh, I missed it at first. Now I see what this thread is about. It's Democrat projection again. Somehow Bernie Sanders is less jewish than the other guy, even though he is literally a jew. Well, that was worth a chuckle.

    Anyways. This post really should be ignored. I'm far more interested in Madison320 getting some answers on that $15 minimum wage. And, to note, that is completely ceding the $35 trillion dollar Bernie healthcare plan, that, no, can not simply be "swept under the rug" "because".

    Edit: I meant my post, in regards to 'this' post @juleswin
    Last edited by 106459; 02-29-2020 at 08:25 AM. Reason: clarified it was my post that could be ignored lol

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by 106459 View Post
    Ohhhh, I missed it at first. Now I see what this thread is about. It's Democrat projection again. Somehow Bernie Sanders is less jewish than the other guy, even though he is literally a jew. Well, that was worth a chuckle.

    Anyways. This post really should be ignored. I'm far more interested in Madison320 getting some answers on that $15 minimum wage. And, to note, that is completely ceding the $35 trillion dollar Bernie healthcare plan, that, no, can not simply be "swept under the rug" "because".
    You can still answers to the minimum wage debate while not ignoring my post.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    O'Bummer was too busy getting us into Syria (which Trump is getting out of) and destroying Libya among lots of other things.
    He was also busy selling out to Iran so he wasn't going to start a war with them.

    Trump has been prompted to start a war with Iran multiple times and has refused and he has given Israel very little other than things Israel already had.
    He was busy fighting Irans ally countries while selling out to Iran. Not sure if you are serious but regardless the Trump admit has been maintaining the war in Syria to the best wishes of Israel and trying to start new ones in Venezuela and Iran.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Sorry, but that just sounds like total defeatism. What you're saying is there's no use in trying to push, nay, demand we stop fighting Israels wars and wars of empire.

    No way I'm going there.
    I'm reading news this morning that a withdrawal deal has been reached in Afghanistan.

    I'm all for it...great news.

    But my fight has shifted closer to home.

    IIRC you are a GC/carpenter by trade...imagine if the leading contenders for president were running around saying they intend to sic the US government on you, personally, for building people's homes?

    Apologies if I sound dismissive or defeatist if I find myself caring less about the never ending wars of empire.

    That, and I just find that the increasing level of Bolshevik chatter about gulags and genocide are more worthy of my concern right now.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 02-29-2020 at 11:24 AM.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  33. #58
    Some encouraging news elsewhere on the forum, Trump says he doesn’t want to be the president of the world.
    Some purists on Right go too far when they say he wants to be president of the world and is a funded puppet of globalist neocons.

    His globalist ambitions seem to be limited to defending some of our closest allies in mideast, surgical strikes in countries around the world and boosting military spending. He may at times have fantasized about becoming President of Israel and selling $100B US made weapons to Saudi dictatorship, that's about it. Ofcourse NYT libs see it in different light.


  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    He was busy fighting Irans ally countries while selling out to Iran. Not sure if you are serious but regardless the Trump admit has been maintaining the war in Syria to the best wishes of Israel and trying to start new ones in Venezuela and Iran.
    Trump has reduced our presence in Syria and will end it.
    And if he wanted wars in Iran or Venezuela we'd be in them by now.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    He was busy fighting Irans ally countries while selling out to Iran. Not sure if you are serious.
    He provided the threat and Iran provided the "protection".
    It's an old racket.
    Syria wasn't too friendly to Iran before the war.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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