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  1. #121
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  3. #122
    Those are powerful vows and MAGA leader has strong credibility track record but two and two don't add up in this case:

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's a good thing Trump is getting us out:

    U.S. Vows to Reduce Iraq Troop Presence
    More US troops heading to Syria, Iraq
    As U.S. Soldiers Deploy Amid the Coronavirus Pandemic, They Fight Two Battles

    June 17, 2020
    FORT BRAGG, N.C. (AP) — Edward Brown has always found a way to deal with his husband’s military deployments in the past, but the most recent one felt different. Instead of an endless parade of family visits and last-minute errands, Brown and Staff Sgt. James Clyde were holed up inside their Fayetteville, North Carolina, apartment watching Netflix and making TikTok videos.
    When his mandatory two-week quarantine ended last Friday, Clyde made the short drive to Fort Bragg and boarded a plane for a nine-month deployment in the Middle East.
    The 34-year-old is among 2,200 paratroopers assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division’s 2nd Brigade Combat Team deploying to Iraq and Syria amid the coronavirus pandemic.


    Iraq's Parliament votes to expel U.S. military
    AP Sunday, January 5, 2020

    Trump threatens Iraq with crippling sanctions if US troops are expelled
    6 January 2020
    Donald Trump has threatened Iraq with "sanctions like they've never seen before" President Trump has threatened severe sanctions against Iraq after its parliament called on US troops to leave the country.
    Speaking from the presidential plane, Mr Trump said that if Iraq asked US forces to depart on an unfriendly basis, "we will charge them sanctions like they've never seen before, ever. It'll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame."
    bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51003159

    US General confident Iraqis will ask American troops to remain in Iraq
    Gen. McKenzie met with new Iraqi Prime Minister in Baghdad
    July 7, 2020
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-g...ry?id=71660962

  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Those are powerful vows and MAGA leader has strong credibility track record but two and two don't add up in this case:
    It's not just words, half of the troops in Iraq have left since January and multiple bases have been handed over to the locals.
    And the same thing is happening in Afghanistan with the deal with the Taliban specifying that they will all leave.

    Take your lies elsewhere.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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  5. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Now if you want to say killing their terror master in Iraq who was coordinating the attacks on Americans in various countries in order to put a stop to those attacks counts then you have to admit that they attacked us with their proxies in various countries and that means if there is a war they started it.
    Iran never attacked America, not with a single bomb or bullet, according to your own "logic" in this thread.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
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  6. #125
    Probably.
    "An idea whose time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government" - Ron Paul.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you arent allowed to criticize."

  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Iran never attacked America, not with a single bomb or bullet, according to your own "logic" in this thread.
    Yes, you can have it whichever way you want it, either Iran attacked us first and Trump was justified in attacking back or Trump never attacked Iran.
    You can't have it that they didn't attack us but that Trump attacked them.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, you can have it whichever way you want it, either Iran attacked us first and Trump was justified in attacking back or Trump never attacked Iran.
    You can't have it that they didn't attack us but that Trump attacked them.
    Trump didn't attack them, he just has our troops illegally occupying a sovereign country and violating their property rights.

    Hopefully Trump wont fall for any more fake gas attacks. I'll be happy to see us out of Iran and Afghanistan but I won't believe it until we are out.

  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by tebowlives View Post
    Trump didn't attack them, he just has our troops illegally occupying a sovereign country and violating their property rights.

    Hopefully Trump wont fall for any more fake gas attacks. I'll be happy to see us out of Iran and Afghanistan but I won't believe it until we are out.
    We aren't in IraN, we are in IraQ and Trump is getting us out.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We aren't in IraN, we are in IraQ and Trump is getting us out.
    My bad. Our troops aren't in Iran, they are just surrounding it.

    He flip flops too much to believe so when it's done he'll get the praise.
    Last edited by tebowlives; 07-28-2020 at 04:36 PM.

  12. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, you can have it whichever way you want it, either Iran attacked us first and Trump was justified in attacking back or Trump never attacked Iran.

    You can't have it that they didn't attack us but that Trump attacked them.
    Which of those two ways do you want it, Wormy? Did Trump attack Iran or not?
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

  13. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Which of those two ways do you want it, Wormy? Did Trump attack Iran or not?
    Yes. he has- even sanctions are an act of war.
    There is no spoon.

  14. #132
    Daily reminder that Bernie would not be better than Trump. He would be way worse.
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    Calvin Coolidge

  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Iran never attacked America, not with a single bomb or bullet,...
    Even so, Iran poses threat to our closest allies in mideast, including the only non-racist democracy in mideast.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Yes. he has- even sanctions are an act of war.
    Have to admit that he has openly called for 'sanctions', 'economic warfare'. But in all fairness, his top funder is a very rich globalist neocon who had called for 'nuking Iran' and that can bring lot of pressures even if a public servant tried to avoid being a 'perfect little puppet'.
    Maybe someday in future when some very rich candidate can win election, puppet masters pressures and 'follow the money' factors would no longer come into play.


    In other news, despite all the 'wars fatigue' among public and $26+ Trillion national debt as of this month, there are still same number of troops in Afghanistan as were almost 4 years ago at the end of Obama term ?


    03 JULY 2020

    '4,000 US troops to Stay in Afghanistan Post-Election': LA Times


    Currently, the US has approximately 8,600 soldiers in Afghanistan, according to the latest reports.

    "Top US commanders believe they have tentative White House approval to leave just over 4,000 US troops in Afghanistan beyond November, delaying a full American pullout until after the presidential election," says a report by the Los Angeles Times, citing unnamed US officials.

    “The plan, worked out at a meeting between Pentagon and White House officials late last month, would represent an about-face for President Trump. He has pushed for a complete withdrawal of the 8,600 troops now in Afghanistan by the election, seeing a pullout as a much-needed foreign policy achievement as his reelection prospects have deteriorated,” the report said.
    tolonews.com/afghanistan/4000-us-troops-stay-afghanistan-post-election%C2%A0la-times

    How Many U.S. Troops Are in the Middle East?
    President Trump recently deployed an additional 3,500 troops to the Middle East following the killing of Iran’s Gen. Qassem Soleimani.

    By USAFacts, Contributor Jan. 9, 2020,

    The U.S. military presence abroad jumped recently when 3,500 troops were deployed to the Middle East after President Donald Trump ordered a drone strike in Iraq that killed Iran's top military leader, Gen. Qassem Soleimani.
    [ READ:
    Trump Sends 3,000 More U.S. Troops to Middle East ]
    That adds to the thousands of troops already in the region. But exactly how many Americans are currently deployed to the Middle East?

    In short, the data to answer this question isn't fully public, though based on available government data and documents, there may be over 80,000 military personnel in the region.
    usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-01-09/after-recent-deployments-how-many-us-troops-are-in-the-middle-east


    US service member dies in Syria

    July 21, 2020
    American soldiers patrol on the M4 highway in the town of Tal Tamr in the northeastern Syrian Hasakeh province on the border with Turkey on Jan. 24, 2020. (Delil Souleiman/AFP via Getty Images)

    A U.S. service member died in Syria on Tuesday, according to military officials in the region.
    The individual, whose service branch hasn’t been released yet, was assigned to the Operation Inherent Resolve coalition.
    “Initial reports indicate the incident was not due to enemy contact,” reads a brief Inherent Resolve press release sent Tuesday afternoon. “The incident is under investigation.”
    The individual’s identity will be released after their next of kin have been notified, Inherent Resolve officials stated.
    There have been four hostile deaths and five non-combat deaths under the Inherent Resolve mission this year. All of the combat deaths have been in Iraq.
    An airman and a soldier were killed in mid-March during a rocket attack on Camp Taji. Prior to that, two Marine Raiders were killed in Iraq’s southern Makhmur Mountains while clearing a tunnel complex full of Islamic State fighters.
    Nearly 150 U.S. service members have been wounded in action this year, as well.
    armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/07/21/us-service-member-dies-in-syria/








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  16. #134

    Glenn Greenwald
    July 2 2020

    House Democrats, Working With Liz Cheney, Restrict Trump’s Planned Withdrawal of Troops From Afghanistan and Germany

    The U.S. military has been fighting in Afghanistan for almost nineteen years. House Democrats, working in tandem with key pro-war GOP lawmakers such as Rep. Liz Cheney, are ensuring that continues.

    Last night, the House Armed Services Committee voted overwhelmingly in favor of an amendment — jointly sponsored by Democratic Congressman Jason Crow of Colorado and Congresswoman Cheney of Wyoming — prohibiting the expenditure of monies to reduce the number of U.S. troops deployed in Afghanistan below 8,000 without a series of conditions first being met.

    The imposed conditions are by no means trivial: for these troop reductions from Afghanistan to be allowed, the Defense Department must be able to certify, among other things, that leaving Afghanistan “will not increase the risk for the expansion of existing or formation of new terrorist safe havens inside Afghanistan” and “will not compromise or otherwise negatively affect the ongoing United States counter terrorism mission against the Islamic State, al Qaeda, and associated forces.”

    The Crow/Cheney amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) last night passed by a vote of 45-11. The NDAA was then unanimously approved by the Committee by a vote of 56-0. It authorizes $740.5 billion in military spending — roughly three times more than the world’s second-highest spender, China.
    https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/...n-and-germany/

  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Daily reminder that Bernie would not be better than Trump. He would be way worse.
    And a shyte sandwich with salt and pepper is much better than a shyte sandwich without salt and pepper. Go on enjoying your salt and pepper shyte. This mindset is the reason why we cannot have nice things

  18. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    And your point is?

    Trump is withdrawing them and this attempt to stop him will be vetoed if it makes it that far.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And your point is?

    Trump is withdrawing them and this attempt to stop him will be vetoed if it makes it that far.
    Uh, Trump doesn't need Congress to withdraw them. Congress has no say in what the Commander-in-Chief does about troop deployments and removals unless Congress repeals the legislation that allowed the powers for deployment in the first place. Trump can sign an executive order today ordering full immediate withdraw and there's not a damn thing Congress can do about it.

    In reality, what we see here is a dog-n-pony show so that Trump can claim he's removing troops, the Trumpkins believe it because it's a Breitbart headline (so it must be true!), and then Congress puts up a phony opposition so Congress takes the blame when it doesn't happen. Trumpkins then either believe that the withdrawal actually happened because they never saw the subsequent blame placed on Congress or they claim "Congress is stopping our President again! Damn Democrats!" Trump comes up smelling like roses to the idiots who don't understand controlled opposition tactics or understand the Commander-in-Chief's powers.
    Last edited by devil21; 07-31-2020 at 12:44 PM.
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  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    ...
    Trump can sign an executive order today ordering full immediate withdraw and there's not a damn thing Congress can do about it.
    If this is really the case, that changes the whole ball game.

  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    If this is really the case, that changes the whole ball game.
    It's always been that way. Congress authorizes initial troop deployments under war declarations or unconstitutional AUMFs, which turns over authority to Commander-in-Chief to carry it out. No declaration/AUMF requires indefinite troop deployments, however, and Congress can't micromanage what the CiC does under that AUMF. Non-binding resolutions is the best they can do, other than repeal the declaration/AUMF that started it. The fact that I've posted this to these types of threads multiple times and there is never a "42D chess" reply from the Trumpkins tells you it is accurate. They simply can't spin it.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

  23. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Uh, Trump doesn't need Congress to withdraw them. Congress has no say in what the Commander-in-Chief does about troop deployments and removals unless Congress repeals the legislation that allowed the powers for deployment in the first place. Trump can sign an executive order today ordering full immediate withdraw and there's not a damn thing Congress can do about it.

    In reality, what we see here is a dog-n-pony show so that Trump can claim he's removing troops, the Trumpkins believe it because it's a Breitbart headline (so it must be true!), and then Congress puts up a phony opposition so Congress takes the blame when it doesn't happen. Trumpkins then either believe that the withdrawal actually happened because they never saw the subsequent blame placed on Congress or they claim "Congress is stopping our President again! Damn Democrats!" Trump comes up smelling like roses to the idiots who don't understand controlled opposition tactics or understand the Commander-in-Chief's powers.
    If this is a dog and pony show then I say never follow a dog act.
    Trump is withdrawing the troops from many places even though Congress is trying to pervert the power of the purse to stop him.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    If this is a dog and pony show then I say never follow a dog act.
    Trump is withdrawing the troops from many places even though Congress is trying to pervert the power of the purse to stop him.
    Have any net numbers, how many were sent out and how many withdrawn from Jan 2017 till now? Thousands were just leaving for mideast recently and Afghanistan has 8600 now, were 8400 when he took office.

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