Joe Walsh: 'I'd rather have a socialist in the White House than a con man'

[106459]

Changing the inflation measure is an old trick. They also did it to Social security according to the video and the purchasing power lost. By the time you get your check it will be worthless

Read post #59. Inflation is a big problem, but that doesn't make it a boogeyman that has reversed Trump's tax cuts. If you have the math to prove otherwise, I'd love to see it.

[James_Madison_Lives]

A socialist who is willing to break Ice and open borders this dude is to crazy.

He is not for open borders. We have enough information to get through without you spreading nonsense.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...orders-1261392

"What we need is comprehensive immigration reform,” he continued. "If you open the borders, my God, there's a lot of poverty in this world, and you're going to have people from all over the world. And I don't think that's something that we can do at this point. Can't do it. So that is not my position.”

[AngryCanadian]

He is not for open borders. We have enough information to get through without you spreading nonsense.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...orders-1261392

Liberals once they are running for office they always say that they arent for open borders till they are elected or put into office then they open them. This happened in Europe with a leftist candidate was running that she wouldn't open the borders for migrants well guess what happen when she won? she opened the borders. Sanders isn't what RP polices are about though.

[devil21]

And so it begins yet again.... the lesser of two evils argument.

You know, I started to respond in-depth with some perspective, but it started to become clear that that's only going to introduce arguments ad-nauseum. To boil it down to the brass tax, from your quote, this is where you're arguing from "evil = evil, Trump = evil, Bernie = evil, Trump = Bernie". I'm not going to debate that at-length.

So, if Bernie were to be elected: out of all the infinite permutations of the GOP party response: what makes yours right? It seems far more likely to me that socialism just got America's rubber stamp.

All the GOP has to do is be "a little less socialist", and the Democrats get to be a little more socialist, and so the ball keeps rolling. Just like it's done the previous 44 times. I'm not going to hold my breath for this magical 45th time.

So. I'll just quote AF:

My comment was an observation of the same narrative control that emerges every Presidential election. Last time it was "we're all dead with Hillary so let's vote for the con man."

I'll let you in on a little secret but don't tell anyone, ok? Bernie's already been chosen by the people that really run this place, but please don't let me stop you from thinking that Presidential elections are fair, honest and random affairs. Your participation in the illusion and consent to the outcome by participating is required to legitimize the illusion.

eta: whose sock puppet are you? 100 posts and rep beyond repute? k

[106459]

My comment was an observation of the same narrative control that emerges every Presidential election. Last time it was "we're all dead with Hillary so let's vote for the con man."

I'll let you in on a little secret but don't tell anyone, ok? Bernie's already been chosen by the people that really run this place, but please don't let me stop you from thinking that Presidential elections are fair, honest and random affairs. Your participation in the illusion and consent to the outcome by participating is required to legitimize the illusion.

eta: whose sock puppet are you? 100 posts and rep beyond repute? k

Ok. You don't want to refute any points made, you just want to discredit credibility? I won't even get into it, but boy - do the deepstate conspiracies run deep with you. What payoff would be received, exactly, for orchestrating an 8 year plan to post 100 times?

-I don't post often because I seldom have perspective that brings additional value to threads, so I post when I do; or in the case of this thread, when the argument is so ludicrous that no one has denounced it.

So. It could either be a deepstate narrative ... or a legitimate concern that people might have: "Is this person going to be better for us, or worse?" I don't really see the need for a lot of deepstate funding to be necessary for the common person to be concerned if option 1 is better, or option 2.

There's plenty wrong with the elections. So let me be clear: If the deepstate was so powerful enough to ensure that it was Trump vs Bernie, and powerful enough to ensure Trump's outcome, and powerful enough to keep Trump under their thumb so that they ensure the complete takeover of the US (in how many years)? Then kudos to them. They have presented a choice that is a non-choice. You can either elect Trump, or elect Bernie and then have your country destroyed.

So what's your point? Yeah, I choose Trump over immediate destruction of my country. And it's odd, you mention:

Last time it was "we're all dead with Hillary so let's vote for the con man."

-Right. And some of the more 'reputable members' have said they are pleasantly surprised with Trump's performance. So it turns out the last time it was a known loss vs a gamble, and we won. Great. Let's take another gamble instead choosing to lose for the hell of it.

[Swordsmyth]

Trump lowering my taxes isn't shrinking the government? Weird world. I'll take my chances that paying less money to the government results in a better future for me.

So, by your own post you're saying Bernie is worse than Trump. But because Trump isn't everything you wanted, we might as well elect Bernie? So we should make things worse then?

That's a silly concept. Because things aren't going the way we want, we have to do this horrible thing. And once we do this horrible thing in this way, then this good thing will have to happen in this way. That's a ridiculous chain of causality, kind of reminds me of something.

That's not the only way he's shrinking government either, but the TDS crowd doesn't care.

[Swordsmyth]

He is not for open borders. We have enough information to get through without you spreading nonsense.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...orders-1261392

Yes he is:

@PierzStyx



While Sanders doesn’t make his personal story a cornerstone of his campaign, he made clear in a rare interview about his immigrant roots that the experience deeply influenced his outlook, even if he now claims New England as his home.
“I spent the first 18 years of my life in Brooklyn, I went to school in Brooklyn, I went to PS 197, went to James Madison High School, spent a year at Brooklyn College, so obviously Brooklyn is an important part of my life,” Sanders said.
Sanders’s parents were both part of the exodus of Jews who left Eastern Europe for the United States. His father, Eli, came from Stopnica, which is in modern-day Poland. Sanders’s mother, Dorothy, was born in New York City to parents who came from Russia and Poland. Immigration documents, which Yahoo News shared with Sanders, showed that his father came to New York in 1921 at the age of 17 onboard a ship called the Lapland. Passenger manifests listed his father as “Eliasz Gitman.” Sanders said that as with many Jewish immigrants, his father’s name was “changed along the way” as he was naturalized.


As a presidential candidate, Sanders has vowed to enact comprehensive immigration reform, including a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants and the so-called Dreamers, who were brought to the U.S. as children. Sanders, who has called for decriminalizing illegal immigration, also pledged to end President Trump’s child-separation policy and called for enacting a “humane border policy,” including “fundamentally restructuring” the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency.
For Sanders, his family’s history “makes the issue of immigration very personal.”
“I’m the proud son of an immigrant. And I think it is clear that we have got to stop the demonization of immigrants right now. Immigrants to a large degree are the people doing the hard work in this country: doing the agriculture, planting the crops, picking the crops,” he said. “These are the people who are doing some of the most important work in this country and being underpaid in the process of doing it.”


Sanders accused Trump of seeking to “demonize people because they were not born in this country.”
“That clearly is something that I take personally,” he said.

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/bernie-sander...191215942.html

All the commies have talked tough on immigration in the past but it was always a lie, the plan has long been to overwhelm American liberty culture with imported communists and now they don't think they need to lie anymore.

Conquest by immigration.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) told a group that he backs a moratorium on all deportations from the U.S., a video surfaced on Saturday revealed.

The socialist senator told a group that, under a Sanders administration, the U.S. would cease ICE raids and deportations.
“We’re gonna end the ICE raids which are terrorizing communities all across this country,” Sanders said.

“We are gonna impose a moratorium on deportations,” he continued. “There are some things that a president can do with executive orders.”

ee 30-second attacking me for that,” Sanders warned before adding that he also supports providing illegal aliens with free college.
“And then you’ll see another set of 30-second ads because when I say I want to make public colleges and universities tuition-free, that also includes the undocumented,” Sanders continued.
“Now I hope that as soon as possible the undocumented will not be undocumented,” he added. “That’s the goal”

More at: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-deportations/

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., on Thursday released a sweeping immigration plan that would impose a moratorium on deportations, "break up" existing immigration enforcement agencies, grant full welfare access to illegal immigrants and welcome a minimum of 50,000 “climate migrants” in the first year of a Sanders administration.
The plan effectively establishes Sanders at the far left of the immigration debate, as he aims to energize a base that helped drive his 2016 primary campaign amid competition from other liberal candidates in the field this time around.
“My father came to America as a refugee without a nickel in his pocket, to escape widespread anti-Semitism and find a better life,” Sanders said in a press release. “As the proud son of an immigrant, I know that my father's story is the story of so many Americans today.”


The plan was written in conjunction with several illegal immigrants who were shielded from deportation by former President Barack Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
In the plan, Sanders pledges to extend legal status to those eligible under the DACA program, as well as to grant relief for their parents. He also promises to use executive authority to allow illegal immigrants who have lived in the country for five or more years to stay “free from threat of deportation.”
On day one of a Sanders presidency, he would also place a moratorium on deportations until there was a full audit of "current and past practices and policies." He would also end the so-called Trump travel ban, as well as other Trump policies such as the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP), action against sanctuary cities and the public charge rule that restricts green cards to those immigrants deemed likely to rely on welfare.

Sanders then wants to provide a “pathway to citizenship” via Congress for all illegal immigrants living in America -- which he says is currently around 11 million -- and would ensure that “old or low-level contacts with the criminal justice system” do not prevent illegal immigrants from walking along that path.


As president, Sanders also would decriminalize illegal border crossings, making it a civil violation. Among a number of enforcement policies he wants to overturn or abolish, he would also end detention for those without a violent crime conviction, and also fund “community-based alternatives to detention” that gives illegal immigrants “health, legal, educational and work resources.”
He would also set up a $14 billion federal grant program for legal defense for poor immigrants, end the use of video conferencing, and ensure access to translation and interpretation services "throughout every step of the legal process."
He would also create a new program to “welcome migrants displaced by climate change” and push to accept a minimum of 50,000 “climate migrants” in his first year in office. Additionally, he wants to increase aid to Central and South American countries, fund programs to end corruption, repression and poverty, as well as lifting caps on refugees.
As for those agencies that enforce immigration law, Sanders promises to “restructure” the Department of Homeland Security.


For those immigrants, illegal or not, who are in the country, Sanders accelerates the sometimes-cautious calls by the 2020 Democratic field to include illegal immigrants in welfare programs and other government services such as health care. Under Sanders, everything is on the table for everyone in the country regardless of immigration status.
Sanders promises that both his “Medicare-for-all” and “College-for-all” plans would be available regardless of immigration status. He also wants to include free universal school meals -- breakfast, lunch, dinner (and snacks) -- regardless of immigration status.

In addition to the path to citizenship, Sanders wants to streamline legal immigration channels, reduce fees, and provide funding to unite immigrants who are stuck in backlogs.

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/san...migration-plan

[eleganz]

He is not for open borders. We have enough information to get through without you spreading nonsense.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...orders-1261392

Lol seems like you already have your mind made up with your Bernie thread and now defending his open borders position.

Don't forget, he wants to decriminalize illegal border crossings and provide them welfare/free medical care. What does that mean? Anybody can come and get taken care of if they can make it over the border. Thats ultra open borders buddy.

But then again, you think that Bernie's plan to provide free everything from cradle to grave is only a mild form of FDR socialism.

I do believe you are beyond saving at this point. The third RPF member we lost to Bernie. We shall pray for you.

[devil21]

Ok. You don't want to refute any points made, you just want to discredit credibility?

You didn't make any points and even said you weren't going to. Quoting AF's post about some random regulations and receiving a few extra tax bucks back isn't a point, sorry.

I won't even get into it, but boy - do the deepstate conspiracies run deep with you.

Of course you won't, because I'll dismantle everything you write and end up with more believers than the thread started with. You types make for great strawmen for me to post further evidence so you won't risk that.

What payoff would be received, exactly, for orchestrating an 8 year plan to post 100 times?

Are you seriously asking whether sock puppet accounts exist?

-I don't post often because I seldom have perspective that brings additional value to threads, so I post when I do; or in the case of this thread, when the argument is so ludicrous that no one has denounced it.

But when you do, it's to push the same old Turd vs Douche paradigm that arises every election. Worthy posts, no doubt.

So. It could either be a deepstate narrative ... or a legitimate concern that people might have: "Is this person going to be better for us, or worse?" I don't really see the need for a lot of deepstate funding to be necessary for the common person to be concerned if option 1 is better, or option 2.

There's plenty wrong with the elections. So let me be clear: If the deepstate was so powerful enough to ensure that it was Trump vs Bernie, and powerful enough to ensure Trump's outcome, and powerful enough to keep Trump under their thumb so that they ensure the complete takeover of the US (in how many years)? Then kudos to them. They have presented a choice that is a non-choice. You can either elect Trump, or elect Bernie and then have your country destroyed.

That's my point. There is no election. There is a selection and the masses are herded in the chosen direction by media and people in position to herd the masses through the media, but do enjoy the entertainment. Gee, you don't think Comey announcing the reopening of the Clinton email investigation days before the "election" herded voters in a certain direction, do ya? The investigation that then went nowhere and disappeared after the election was done. That is but a single example of how the masses are herded.

So what's your point? Yeah, I choose Trump over immediate destruction of my country. And it's odd, you mention:

That's exactly the lesser of evils narrative that was pushed among conservatives. And here we are again. Bernie will end the country so vote for the con man. Never mind that no one can ever prove what didn't happen (Hillary) but let's do this all over again. I say again, at least with a Dem in the WH conservatives start to pay attention again instead of being baited along into inaction by "Q" nonsense and never-ending promises of mass arrests that don't happen, instead of applauding globalist USMCA handing over of American sovereignty to the UN. Cuz' ya know ya got teh TDS if you oppose that...MAGA!!11!!! derp

-Right. And some of the more 'reputable members' have said they are pleasantly surprised with Trump's performance. So it turns out the last time it was a known loss vs a gamble, and we won. Great. Let's take another gamble instead choosing to lose for the hell of it.

Enjoy the show and please do tell us more about why a lying life-long Democrat con man surrounded by CFR members is a better choice than a lying Marxist con man surrounded by CFR members.

The casino always wins as long as you continue to participate in their illusionary "gambles".

[mrsat_98]

We have a socialist in the White House currently. It does appear as if he is trying back us out of the situation to the dismay of the Demonrats.

[devil21]

We have a socialist in the White House currently. It does appear as if he is trying back us out of the situation to the dismay of the Demonrats.

Does not compute. A socialist in the WH trying to back out of socialism?

[RonZeplin]

Does not compute. A socialist in the WH trying to back out of socialism?

Orange Man Socialist(R) = Good?

[devil21]

Orange Man Socialist(R) = Good?

Every time I think I've seen the height of spin, someone surprises me.

[Sammy]

https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/sta...46196238262272

[Sammy]

He is not for open borders. We have enough information to get through without you spreading nonsense.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...orders-1261392

Yes he is for open borders!

[106459]

Cool. I see the thread is back to Trump = Socialist and unrelated topics of Bernie Sanders being for open borders.

Well, let it be made clear that initial arguments were made that "Trump raised your taxes", despite having introduced a tax cut. Math has been provided, and it seems no one has been willing to argue with actual numbers. In fact, it looks like people have personally testified their taxes have decreased, and I haven't seen anyone testify they themselves have paid more taxes.

Looks to me like Trump reduced taxes for any single guy making 60k by $993.75. Good job Trump .

Tbh, I hope I won't have to post again because I fear it's been a waste of what could otherwise be productive time; I'd much rather study to get my networking certs. To anyone who wants to listen: I'd strongly recommend investing in yourself rather than worrying about 2016/2020 politics circle jerking, it only seems to be getting worse .. we've gone from Orange Man Bad to Orange Man Socialist. I guess people really do love that Democrat playbook. Literally, whatever the hell you're doing - just say the other person's doing it. Ffs. $#@!ing embarrassing.

In any case, here is my delayed post that needs to be said about socialism:

It's sad that socialism got praised in any form, secondhand or otherwise. Its history is abhorrent, and its future will be too. And yet the detractor's argument is always "But it's so good on paper!!! We can have a system that cares about the common man!!". Yet that is precisely what makes socialism so evil. You aren't entrusting the common man's happiness to some kind loving God. You're giving it to the government.

Who runs governments? People. The incredible irony? The socialists love to talk about how corrupt these power structures are, yet they are so incredibly blind to the power structure that is government. Essentially the most corrupt of them all, and it's why we so painstakingly tried to craft a Constitution that would ever-so-limit the powers of the government. Yet somehow it has still managed to grow, and create endless atrocities such as the war on drugs. Weird.

So, it's already childish to believe you can pawn off your own well-being to one leader or government. It's laughably childish to believe that in the hellish power structure that is government, that your saint will be the one to miraculously rise to the top. Even if he existed, if he was truly so kind and benevolent, he would be gutted and slaughtered by the psychopaths so fast you'd wonder if he ever even existed at all.

Socialism is evil and it should be denounced at every turn. Joe Walsh should be absolutely ashamed that he gave it second-hand praise.

Anyone who supports Sanders and socialism better think again. If you don't like my quote, here's Benjamin Franklin:

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.” -Benjamin Franklin

If you don't like thought exercises, then look at the $#@!ing USSR. Or Maoist China. Or any other number of the communist genocides that gave governments the highest body count of the 20th century. So don't tell me that this time you're the one smart enough to usher in the grand utopia, you arrogant **tards. As if you have even one inkling of control over the political process that will unfold.

The goal post shifting is great too. We've got this thread "Well Trump is a socialist" .. so now we've got Bernie supporters saying "See! Bernie will work! Socialism isn't a problem!" In your own arguments, you're literally the ones calling Trump the great Satan. So now, somehow (???) that's no big deal. Trump is great actually. So great, in fact, we should put Socialist Sanders in office. Because $#@! yeah! The constructs of your own arguments are so stupid it's embarrassing.

[106459]

For anyone unable to read 650 words, here's your cartoon:



And if you're really feeling like an intellectual:

[devil21]

Posts about the dangers of potential socialism are funny because they demonstrate a general lack of knowledge/awareness that we've been a socialist country for over 80 years already. Most of the Communist Manifesto has already been enacted. Progressive taxes, no private property, government indoctrination centers (public schools), central bank, etc. The CFR that surrounds Trump and every other President are communists so it's ridiculous to read arguments in favor of one candidate over the other. They're both working for communists so the only difference is which marketing package is used to sell more communist globalism.


http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html

[Danke]

[106459]

devil21 #78

Right, yeah, I must've missed the part where they took Bernie's DNA 73 years ago and cloned him to create Trump. I also missed the part where we've got people advocating for socialism on Ron Paul forum's, so it's not like we need to repeat that socialism is bad or anything. I'm sure once it all collapses everyone will be on the Ron Paul side. The day after the collapse it will all be kumbaya; rebuild right into capitalist utopia with no problems whatsoever. [Insert equally insignificant response here.]

[acptulsa]

You really don't want the collapse to happen under a socialist totalitarian regime.

And I will do everything in my power to stop that​ from happening.

Are you telling me what I want? Are you surprised you're dead wrong?

Wow you must have a really low IQ to make a statement like that.

Regardless of what the real causes are, who's in Congress, or what anyone or anything else does to cause problems, whoever or whatever is in the White House at the time gets blamed for recessions. For example, Herbert Hoover is still holding the bag for the 1929 crash ninety-one years later. And, because of that R next to his name, so has the free market, though in Hoover's case the R is for RINO.

If that president has an R next to his name, that recession is blamed on laissez-faire capitalism, even if the Republican is an interventionist, debt loving, MIC feeding, PPT dependent, big spending fascist RINO like the one we have now.

What I and other libertarians with working brains want is for the inevitable system failure to get blamed on those who are responsible. And if the only way the sheeple will ever blame the system failure on the big government psychos who are driving us to it is to ensure the Figurehead-in-Chief at the time is wearing a scarlet D, so be it.

I don't mind you being dead wrong. I'm used to it. But stop trying to tell me what I want. You never had enough sense to figure out what I want. You can't even figure out what you want.

When the crash comes, I'd rather have a self-described socialist in the White House than a con man socialist who can fool sheeple into thinking he's conservative. Of course, that con man is exactly what we have, and if they didn't intend for him to be left holding the bag, they wouldn't be knocking every self-described socialist out of the race but the two goofiest, creepiest, most senile old coots in the entire Democratic Party. His idea of capitalism is inheriting money, bribing politicians for government contracts, and screwing his debtors in bankruptcy court, but Herbert Hoover Trump will ensure capitalism holds the bag for the next Great Depression for the next ninety-one years anyway.

That may be what you want. But you ain't speaking for me.

[acptulsa]

Wow you must have a really low IQ to make a statement like that.

Cat got your tongue? Got nuthin' to say that won't confirm you want the crash falsely blamed on free enterprise because something something just another California libtard?

[106459]

Regardless of what the real causes are, who's in Congress, or what anyone or anything else does to cause problems, whoever or whatever is in the White House at the time gets blamed for recessions. For example, Herbert Hoover is still holding the bag for the 1929 crash ninety-one years later. And, because of that R next to his name, so has the free market, though in Hoover's case the R is for RINO.

-Don't know that I agree with the premise of this. I'm pretty sure the person who will be blamed is whoever the mainstream media decides to blame, which is whoever didn't advocate for bigger government. "If only government had the power to do X, Y would have never happened".

-If, somehow, the collapse happens at the miraculously correct moment where socialism could be blamed (*which it won't*), the media still won't blame its golden goose. As long as there are rich people out there with money, then it will be their fault that other people are suffering. The alternative of not having "free universal healthcare" (by government) will become ludicrous, and anyone who dares to utter opposition will be accused of "you just want people to die".

When the crash comes, I'd rather have a self-described socialist in the White House than a con man socialist who can fool sheeple into thinking he's conservative.

-Right, so this ninty-one year hindsight comes from the benefit of Herbert Hoover in office, not being a socialist, and not having claimed "the sky is falling - executive order - [who knows what the hell will happen]"
-No, I'd have to disagree that "if only we do X, which we know to be objectively horrible, then Y great thing must happen"

[RonZeplin]

Cat got your tongue? Got nuthin' to say that won't confirm you want the crash falsely blamed on free enterprise because something something just another California libtard?

Every State has their libtards, some even gots the Fake Injuns.

Don't be messin' wif muh homeboys.

[106459]

Every State has their libtards, some even gots the Fake Injuns.

Don't be messin' wif muh homeboys.

OH, hey zeplin. Another quality, thought-provoking post I see. Saying that was more important than proving Trump actually raised taxes with math, rather than posting a 17 minute video, just repointing to it after it was already watched, and then not responding to a reply, eh? Just in-case you missed it again, it was #59.

[RonZeplin]

OH, hey zeplin. Another quality, thought-provoking post I see. Saying that was more important than proving Trump actually raised taxes with math, rather than posting a 17 minute video, just repointing to it after it was already watched, and then not responding to a reply, eh? Just in-case you missed it again, it was #59.

Low value posts. -rep X 2

Fake News

[106459]

Low value posts. -rep X 2

Fake News

Yeah, you still don't have anything meaningful to say. Still can't articulate, on anything really.

Go back to rep farming with your buy silver posts, and spending the other 90% reposting the "Trump = Stalin" meme, I'm sure it will finally get raucous applause the 4th time I will have personally seen it.