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    Loophole could allow double voting in California Primary Election

    There is a loophole that potentially allows California voters to cast two ballots and some local elections officials say that they are powerless to stop it. Hundreds of voters have attempted to vote more than once because the state’s automated system sends a new vote-by-mail ballot if personal information or party preference changes.
    The issue has gone largely unaddressed for nearly four years, opening the door to potential voter fraud. The California Secretary of State has ignored calls to fix the flaw, leaving the responsibility up to counties to police thousands of votes.

    “I do not trust this state and the voting practices,” Alameda County resident Rene McClure said. “I was anticipating it and it happened.”
    Like many California voters, McClure wanted the ease of voting from her home but Alameda County Elections sent her a second vote-by-mail ballot after she applied for a California Real I.D., changed the spelling of her name and changed her political party preference.
    “They’re counting me as two people,” she said.
    Election safeguards are supposed to stop or flag the original ballot, but it’s hard to catch because the state gives voters the choice to vote-by-mail or at the polls and switch between the two. It’s increasingly murky during a primary election when nonpartisan voters are allowed to obtain a partisan ballot, if they ask for one.
    “The unintended consequence of that is there are a lot of ballots floating around out there,” Contra Costa County’s assistant registrar Scott Konopasek said.
    Those extra ballots allow someone to mail-in one of their ballots and then surrender the blank ballot at the polls and cast a second vote on Election Day. Poll workers can see who received a vote-by-mail ballot but have no idea if it has been counted or if a voter received more than one.
    In the 2016 primary, Contra Costa County crosschecked Election Day voters with mail-in ballots and discovered 113 cases of double voting. Public records requests show Santa Clara County found 76 and Marin County about 19 votes counted twice. Other counties were either slow to respond or found similar problems long after Election Day was over.
    “However remote the possibility is, it is possible. And because you know it’s possible, you have to check.” Konopasek said. “It’s a vulnerability that could easily be closed.”
    County elections officials pushed for a fix after the 2016 election, suggesting anyone who brings a mail-in ballot to the polls on Election Day vote provisionally. That means those votes would be set aside, checked, their eligibility verified, and then counted after Election Day.
    However, Secretary of State Alex Padilla said that it’s against the law and told KTVU he stands behind the open process.
    “The first one that comes back is the one that gets counted,” Padilla said. “That same voter tries to return another ballot by mail or in person, that second one’s not going to get counted, only the first.”
    But that’s not entirely true. KTVU found some slip through the cracks without an easy way for poll workers to verify if a vote-by-mail ballot has been received and counted.

    More at: https://www.ktvu.com/news/loophole-c...imary-election



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    in b4 zip tells us that...oh, wait

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    in b4 zip tells us that...oh, wait
    It's a nice feeling, isn't it?

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    It seems that by default, they are trying to send out as many ballots as possible. Every registered voter gets one in the mail, and they can also go to a polling place and vote a second time. Democrats believe it is to their advantage, and they are probably right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It's a nice feeling, isn't it?
    refreshing

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    It will be a record ballot harvest this year!
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    in b4 zip tells us that...oh, wait
    The talking point for today is that 73 double votes were discovered in 2016 in the county with the biggest problem. Sorry, not gonna bother with graphics.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


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    Of course this would only be possible in a state like California.



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    So ... people can vote harder in California than they can anywhere else in America ...

    As @TheTexan would ask: How is that a problem?

    Shouldn't every state be doing it like this?
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 02-25-2020 at 05:08 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    So ... people can vote harder in California than they can anywhere else in America ...

    As @TheTexan would ask: How is that a problem?

    Shouldn't every state be doing it like this?
    +rep



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