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    Why Bernie Sanders is electable


    Our party “seems all too anxious to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and we will do the same if we nominate” an extremist for our presidential candidate. Moderates “represent the most electable area of the party.” This is not a contemporary pundit or some Democratic Party operative warning about the potential nomination of avowed Democratic Socialist Bernie Sanders. It was the moderate Republican Representative John Anderson warning about the nomination of Ronald Reagan in 1980.

    An internal memo by strategists for Democratic President Jimmy Carter showed they welcomed a Reagan candidacy, believing that they could defeat him with a negative campaign of moderates versus right wingers. Reagan won the Republican nomination and then completely thrashed Carter by 10 points in the popular vote and 440 electoral votes.

    Reagan then, like Sanders now, had long experience in deflecting attacks on his alleged extremism. The real problem for the Carter campaign was the lack of a compelling theme for his reelection. An internal memo had a very conspicuous blank in the space reserved for “general encompassing theme.” Whatever you may think of Sanders, among all the Democratic candidates, he has the boldest overarching theme for his campaign.

    The pundits and leaders in the Democratic establishment today deeming Sanders unelectable declared the same in 2016 about Donald Trump who would ban Muslims from entering America, build a wall along the southern border, start a trade war with China, and backtrack on fighting climate change. On election night, the pundits twisted themselves into pretzels trying to explain why what they said could not happen actually did.

    The truth is that issues and ideology have no real value in predicting the outcome of a presidential election. For decades, Democrats thought they had solved the electability puzzle by regularly nominating moderate and experienced candidates such as Michael Dukakis in 1988, Al Gore in 2000, John Kerry in 2004, and Hillary Clinton in 2016. But what these candidates have in common is that they would all lose to the Republican nominee.

    Only unconventional “off the wall” Democrats have won the presidency in the last five decades. Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama were unknown figures outside the party establishment. All had been considered unelectable at one time by pundits and party operatives. Republicans also fared no better with the moderate presidential candidates in recent years. John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012 lost to Obama. Republicans only regained the presidency with the unconventional Trump in 2016.

    There is more than history as well. Current polling shatters the myth that a moderate candidate is more electable than Sanders. His opponents claim that he could not beat Trump in critical swing states and would also hurt Democratic candidates for Congress.

    Yet recent polling from four swing states conducted by Quinnipiac University and the University of North Florida show Sanders beating Trump in Michigan and Pennsylvania, tied with Trump in Florida, and losing to the president only in Wisconsin.

    Joe Biden, the moderate favorite, polls no better than Sanders. He also wins Michigan and Pennsylvania against Trump, leads by 1 point in Florida, and loses to Trump in Wisconsin. Two other moderate candidates, Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg, beat Trump in Michigan and Pennsylvania, but they lose to him in both Florida and Wisconsin in the same polls.

    Nationwide polls tell a similar story about the electability of Sanders in the general election. A Washington Post poll shows Sanders beating Trump by 6 points, compared to a lead of 7 points over Trump for Biden. Klobuchar and Buttigieg lead Trump by only 2 points and 3 points respectively. Even in red leaning Texas, the latest Texas Tribune poll shows Sanders trailing Trump by just 2 points. The lead that Trump holds over Biden there is a larger 4 points. Both Klobuchar and Buttigieg trail Trump by 5 points.

    I cite these early polls not to predict results in the general election this fall, but only to show that they provide no evidence that Sanders is less electable than the moderate Democratic alternatives. I have not included Michael Bloomberg in this analysis because polling on his candidacy is still premature, given his disastrous debut in the debate last week.

    I am not advocating here for the nomination of Sanders. However, my advice to Democrats is to stop chasing the will of the wisp of electability. Conventional assessments of who can and cannot beat Trump will only lead them astray. Instead, Democrats must follow their conscience and vote for the candidate they believe in. That is never a wrong decision.

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    If Trump wasn't so awesome, Sanders could maybe stand a chance. A lot of his ideas are very good, mainly the ideas where he gives me free stuff.

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    Beta male communist Sanders has no chance against alpha male president Trump.

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    To be fair, Quinnipiac was literally the worst pollster of 2016.
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Bernie will bring about a more free market in the US than Trump. Hence the reason I wouldn't mind having him as my next president.
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    If the US govt ends their official and clandestine attacks on Venezuela, I can brush up on my Spanish and move there.

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    What is bit troubling is that Ilhan Omar, Tlaib endorsed socialist Sanders has been consistently beating GOPA wing funded horse going back many months where as other Dems seem to fluctuate in one to one race:

    But Biden is still a strong contender to win nomination especially if he cleans SC primary.

    Bloomberg could also prove tough especially looking at his very offensive CBC language tweet against MAGA and Russian twwet against Bernie.

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    11 Of The Most Outrageous Things Establishment Democrats Are Saying About Bernie Sanders

    February 24, 2020 by IWB

    The Democratic establishment has officially shifted into panic mode. In 2016, they watched a bold political outsider shred a divided field of establishment Republican candidates on his way to winning the White House. Now they have one and only one shot of denying Donald Trump a second term, and the same thing that happened to the Republicans in 2016 is now happening to them. So far, Bernie Sanders is trouncing a divided field of establishment Democratic candidates, and that is a huge problem for party leadership for a number of reasons. For one thing, most top establishment Democrats absolutely detest Sanders. Secondly, most of them don’t believe that he has a prayer of actually beating Trump in November. So they are desperate to find a way to deny Sanders the nomination, but with each Sanders victory that is going to become increasingly difficult to do.

    At this point, an all-out civil war has just about erupted on the left. Establishment Democrats are all in a tizzy about potentially nominating a “socialist”, but of course the truth is that America has been drifting toward socialism ever since FDR first entered the White House. Yes, there have been a few times when we have attempted to change course (the Reagan administration for example), but in general the federal government has just gotten bigger and bigger over the decades. Today we have the biggest government in the entire history of the planet, and the Democrats are primarily to blame.

    Ultimately, what this conflict is about is power. Bernie Sanders may have won the hearts of the voters, but he isn’t supposed to actually win the nomination, and the Democratic establishment will pull out all the stops in order to keep that from happening.

    All of a sudden, operatives on the left can’t stop talking about how the Russians want Bernie Sanders to win. This is coming from the same people that spent years trying to find evidence that President Trump colluded with Russian President Vladimir Putin during the 2016 election and that accused Tulsi Gabbard of being a “Russian operative” in order to derail her quest for the Democratic nomination.

    Are there people out there that actually believe this stuff?

    Apparently there must be, because establishment Democrats just keep going back to the same playbook over and over again.

    In the weeks ahead, we should expect the attacks on Sanders to continue to escalate. The following are 11 of the most outrageous things that establishment Democrats have said about Bernie Sanders so far, but this is probably just the beginning…

    #1 Rahm Emanuel: “Putin and Trump are picking their opponent.”

    #2 Joe Biden: “The Russians don’t want me to be the nominee,” Biden said on CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” later adding, “they like Bernie.”

    #3 James Carville: “Right now, it’s about 1:15 Moscow time. This thing is going very well for Vladimir Putin. I promise you. He’s probably staying up watching this right now. How you doing, Vlad?”

    #4 MSNBC’s Joy Reid regarding the tremendous enthusiasm of Bernie’s voters:“Democrats need to sober up, and figure out what the hell they’re going to do about that.”

    #5 Democratic House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn: “If you know how well we did the last time and look at the congressional districts, these are not liberal or progressive districts. These are moderate and conservative districts that we did well in. And in those districts it’s going to be tough to hold on to these jobs if you have to make the case for accepting a self-proclaimed democratic socialist.”

    #6 NPR’s Maria Hinojosa: “As somebody who has been around for a while…I want receipts. What has he done in all his time to actually deliver for Latino/a voters?”

    #7 Pete Buttigieg: “Before we rush to nominate Senator Sanders in our one shot to take on this president, let us take a sober look at what is at stake for our party, for our values and for those with the most to lose.”

    #8 Joe Lockhart: “In any political campaign, candidates need to know what they stand for, and who — or what — they’re up against. At this stage in the game for Bloomberg, that enemy is not Trump. It’s Sen. Bernie Sanders and the election calendar.”

    #9 James Carville: “If you’re voting for him because you think he’ll win the election, because he’ll galvanize heretofore sleepy parts of an electorate, then politically, you’re a fool.”

    #10 Hillary Clinton: “Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done,” Clinton said of Sanders in a documentary about the campaign, released this year. “He was a career politician. It’s all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it.”

    #11 MSNBC’s Chris Matthews: No pundit on the left has been more critical of Sanders than MSNBC’s Chris Matthews. In the aftermath of the vote in Nevada, Matthews actually compared the Sanders campaign “to the Nazi invasion of France in 1940″…

    MSNBC’s Chris Matthews is under fire after comparing Sen. Bernie Sanders‘s (I-Vt.) decisive win in the Nevada caucuses to the Nazi invasion of France in 1940, with some on social media calling for the “Hardball” host to resign.

    “I was reading last night about the fall of France in the summer of 1940,” Matthews said during MSNBC’s live coverage of the caucuses on Saturday. “And the general, Reynaud, calls up Churchill and says, ‘It’s over.’ And Churchill says, ‘How can that be? You’ve got the greatest army in Europe. How can it be over?’ He said, ‘It’s over.’”

    Needless to say, that comment sparked a tremendous backlash.

    In addition, Matthews suggested that the Democrats might be better off waiting four years and then putting in “a Democrat that they like”…

    “I’m wondering whether the Democratic moderates want Bernie Sanders to be president. That’s maybe too exciting a question to raise. They don’t like Trump at all. Do they want Bernie Sanders to take over the Democratic Party in perpetuity?” he said.

    “I mean, he takes it over, he sets the direction of the future of the party — maybe they’d rather wait four years and put in a Democrat that they like.”

    Matthews must not understand that the only reason he has a job is because the radical left has embraced MSNBC over the years. Now Matthews and the other commentators on MSNBC are greatly alienating their core viewers, and that could potentially be absolutely disastrous for the network.

    But Matthews is not likely to back down. Earlier this month, he explained why he detests socialists so much…

    “You know, I have my own views of the word ‘socialist,’” Matthews said earlier this month. “They go back to the early 1950s. I have an attitude about them. I remember the Cold War. I have an attitude towards Castro. I believe if Castro and the Reds had won the Cold War, there would have been executions in Central Park, and I might have been one of the ones getting executed, and certain other people would be there cheering, OK? So, I have a problem with people who took the other side.”

    This is coming from the same guy who was so giddy about the candidacy of Barack Obama in 2008.

    Very strange.

    In any event, I think that President Trump did a great job of summarizing the current state of the race for the Democratic nomination when he tweeted the following…

    Looks like Crazy Bernie is doing well in the Great State of Nevada. Biden & the rest look weak, & no way Mini Mike can restart his campaign after the worst debate performance in the history of Presidential Debates. Congratulations Bernie, & don’t let them take it away from you!

    None of the establishment candidates currently in the race has a prayer of winning enough delegates to secure the nomination before the convention.

    So at this point the Democratic establishment has two options if they want to prevent Sanders from becoming the nominee.

    Firstly, they can encourage everyone to stay in the race and try to divide the delegates enough ways so that Sanders cannot clinch the nomination prior to the convention. Then once the convention rolls around, they could try to put forward a “compromise candidate” as an alternative to Sanders.

    Secondly, they could try to convince the one person that could actually beat Sanders during this process to enter the race. But Michelle Obama has said over and over again that she will absolutely not run for president. Unfortunately for the Democrats, she is probably the only one that could pull off such a miracle at this point.

    Assuming that Michelle Obama is out of the picture, the Democratic establishment’s only hope of stopping Sanders is probably at the convention.

    Usually the conventions are rather sleepy affairs, but this year might be an exception.

    So you might want to stock up on popcorn, because a contested Democratic convention would be very strange, but it would also likely be very entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    enhanced_deficit's static and double-talk notwithstanding, do not dismiss Comrade Bernie's strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    enhanced_deficit's static and double-talk notwithstanding, do not dismiss Comrade Bernie's strength.
    I don't.

    But i don't believe he is as strong as the left would have us believe either.

    He is very dangerous but they always exaggerate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't.

    But i don't believe he is as strong as the left would have us believe either.

    He is very dangerous but they always exaggerate.
    Well, this is not McGovern in 1972.

    If he is the DNC nominee, he'll win at least 15 states right out of the box.

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    There’s still time for Clit-on to swoop in and save the day.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    There’s still time for Clit-on to swoop in and save the day.
    Michelle Obama...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Michelle Obama...

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Theres 3 moderate candidates and none of them are willing to drop out. Bernie could very well take this nomination.
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Bernie will bring about a more free market in the US than Trump. Hence the reason I wouldn't mind having him as my next president.
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    If the US govt ends their official and clandestine attacks on Venezuela, I can brush up on my Spanish and move there.

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF :
    DNC-S (Soros)
    CIA-B (Brennan)

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