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    CNN)The Nevada caucus is wide open, with Bernie Sanders best positioned to take advantage of a fragmented field and the deep passion of his base. This is setting off rounds of hand-wringing as establishment types in the state and nationally (again) misjudge the mood of an angry electorate.Nevada is a critical benchmark, a diverse and blueing state that has often embraced unconventional politics and people. I've seen many sides of Nevada's political swings, as a delegate to the 2008 GOP state convention for presidential candidate Ron Paul, and eight years later when I caucused for Bernie Sanders in 2016.
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    It might sound odd to support a libertarian like Paul and then go for Bernie just a decade later, but it's much easier than it seems. True libertarians are supportive of LGBTQ rights, drug legalization, criminal justice reform, reproductive rights and a host of progressive social issues. The anti-government side of the libertarian wing is more problematic, and I spent much of my youth bleating about "freedom" while holding rabidly anti-government views, a common stance for naïve white kids.
    I didn't realize then that government is the only tool available to level the playing field, and by succumbing to the decades-long GOP crusade to vilify our own government and institutions, we end up powerless against business interests, polluters and hucksters determined to loot the country.
    I grew up in a working-class family in rural Nevada. My father made a living in mining, and we embraced the libertarian ethic of freedom, littering and an overinflated identity of real America. Despite hating the government, I joined the US Coast Guard, earning GI Bill money to pay for college, before making Reno my home.
    got another job where many anti-government zealots go, right back into government, at the state wildlife department. Government at every level enabled my middle-class existence, but I might have never seen the hypocrisy of government bashing — a central feature of Trumpism — had Nevada not been brought to its knees in the Great Recession.
    Poverty is a winning issue for 2020


    You cannot understand Nevada without examining the profound trauma of the 2008 recession and housing collapse: it was our Great Depression. My house in Reno lost two-thirds of its value. Jobs evaporated and paychecks plummeted. I didn't speculate in real estate, nor did I own anything beyond my means, but I was caught up in it. Our community was devastated, but individuals were told to pick up the pieces because it was "our fault."
    With both my net worth and community reeling, the government finally stepped up, offering unlimited funds not to help us, but to save ... Wall Street? The Fed pumped billions in emergency liquidity into banks and markets while Main Street was shuttered off to libertarian hell. After a life of feeling superior because "I always paid my bills," I witnessed profound suffering of regular people because of an unjust and greedy system.
    That recession proved to me that we live in the most socialist society on earth, but it's only available to the very rich. The rest of us are free to die early if we don't like it. "Rugged individuality" is a con used to divide and exploit us so we are unable to fight back together. I came to believe that there is no freedom without economic justice and fairness, and I pushed my support to Sanders in 2016.
    A funny thing happened as my personal politics moved left. So did the state of Nevada, bucking Trump for Clinton in 2016 and electing a Democratic governor in 2018 for the first time in decades. When I grew up here, Nevada had less than a million people. Today we are around 3 million, ever more diverse, urban and liberal. Nevada's drift matches demographic expectations, leaving only the unanswered question of how far and fast we will go. It's the same question animating the Democratic presidential contest where, at least in Nevada, we should finally get some answers at the caucus.

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    I've felt unusual agony about who i should caucus with this time. I've leaned toward several candidates, including Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg and, especially, Elizabeth Warren. But as the date approaches, I find myself drawn back to Sanders. Yes, I love his politics, honesty and consistency. I'm also infuriated by lectures from "moderates" who claim they can predict the future, despite often being flat wrong. They say Sanders "can't win," but said the same about Trump while insisting Clinton was the "safe" choice. Despite ample time to feast on crow, they've learned nothing. Safe is far from exciting, as a plummeting Biden campaign demonstrates.
    We should look for a leader with a passion, principles and honesty, and the best policies will follow. People like to complain about "ideologues," but at least an ideologue has a moral center, which is why I once liked Paul and now admire Sanders. Both men believe in ideas. But where Paul's laissez faire economics nearly destroyed America in 2008, Sanders cares about people and economic justice.
    The best presidents inspire us. At the same time, debates over specific policies and approaches, like Medicare for all, have become unmoored from reality, focused on hypothetical questions and minutia. It's a poor way to judge leadership. We need to focus on the inspiration, honesty and humanity of our candidates.
    I would support any Democratic candidate, some with enthusiasm and one or two with woeful resignation. Yet I don't think Democrats can beat Trump's growing fascism, racism and propaganda-driven lies with a theme of restoration or half measures. Like so many Nevadans, I want to be inspired and challenged to create a better America. I won't be surprised to find a whole lot of Nevadans who feel the same way when I check in to my caucus site on Saturday.

    What a loser!



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    True libertarians are supportive of LGBTQ rights, drug legalization, criminal justice reform, reproductive rights and a host of progressive social issues.
    Oh rly? Seems that this guy’s understanding of libertarianism is very narrow.

    The anti-government side of the libertarian wing is more problematic, and I spent much of my youth bleating about "freedom" while holding rabidly anti-government views, a common stance for naïve white kids.
    So liberty is a just a stance for naïve white kids? Sorry buddy, your leftist, SJW, white-guilt brainwashing is showing.

    I didn't realize then that government is the only tool available to level the playing field, and by succumbing to the decades-long GOP crusade to vilify our own government and institutions, we end up powerless against business interests, polluters and hucksters determined to loot the country.
    “He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.”

    I grew up in a working-class family in rural Nevada. My father made a living in mining, and we embraced the libertarian ethic of freedom, littering and an overinflated identity of real America.
    Once again, where did this ignorant guy get his understanding of libertarianism? First he says libertarian is about being a SJW, now it’s about being a polluter?

    Despite hating the government, I joined the US Coast Guard, earning GI Bill money to pay for college, before making Reno my home. ... got another job where many anti-government zealots go, right back into government, at the state wildlife department. Government at every level enabled my middle-class existence,
    Tax tick. Say no more.

    You cannot understand Nevada without examining the profound trauma of the 2008 recession and housing collapse: it was our Great Depression. My house in Reno lost two-thirds of its value. Jobs evaporated and paychecks plummeted. I didn't speculate in real estate, nor did I own anything beyond my means, but I was caught up in it. Our community was devastated, but individuals were told to pick up the pieces because it was "our fault."

    With both my net worth and community reeling, the government finally stepped up, offering unlimited funds not to help us, but to save ... Wall Street? The Fed pumped billions in emergency liquidity into banks and markets while Main Street was shuttered off to libertarian hell.
    Did this guy default on his loan? His property value is probably double what it was at the last peak. Rash short term financial decisions by big banks, or by individuals, are not the taxpayers problem.

    But I was reminding a Democrat just the other day how the support for Bernie was a perverse outgrowth of the majority of all regular people opposing the Wall St bailout. The communists seized upon that to dupe people with their big government “solutions”. Most people opposed the taxpayer bailout of the big banks, but that in no way is an endorsement of communism.

    I've felt unusual agony about who i should caucus with this time. I've leaned toward several candidates, including Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg and, especially, Elizabeth Warren.
    So the guy that complains about Wall St bailouts wanted to support the candidates backed by a hedge fund billionaire?

    This guy’s understanding of Ron Paul must have consisted of support for decriminalizing pot, and opposing the bailouts.

    He was obviously not an educated Ron Paul supporter, or a typical Ron Paul supporters. And no mention of foreign policy? Something fishy with this guy.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    Something fishy with this guy.
    A picture is worth a 1000 words...



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    So is this guy just flipping a coin to decide who to support?

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    You're a straight up idiots if you go from supporting Ron Paul to Bernie Sanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    She's a Mini Mike supporter.
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    NH is crawling with ex-Ron Paulers who think the same way.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    NH is crawling with ex-Ron Paulers who think the same way.
    And that's what went wrong with the Free State project.

    You can't ever let leftists into your movement.

    Our natural allies were conservative Republicans but the leftarians beat them off with a stick and invited in the Occupy Wallstreet crowd.

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    Blasphemy . In the old days we would burn them at the stake here as an example to others .

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    Today we are around 3 million, ever more diverse, urban and liberal. Nevada's drift matches demographic expectations, leaving only the unanswered question of how far and fast we will go.
    Just another self loathing idiot white guy, so poisoned against his own heritage he looks forward to the day of being washed away in the unwholesome flood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    She's a Mini Mike supporter.

    Better?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    But where Paul's laissez faire economics nearly destroyed America in 2008, Sanders cares about people and economic justice.
    So this lazy communist fk, who, like Bernie, relied on the government literally all his life, has zero understanding of what Ron stood for, why the hell did he vote for Ron? for the gheyz?

    He also blamed the economic crash on "Paul's laissez faire economics nearly destroyed America in 2008" while "Sanders cares about people and economic justice."

    Holy hell, what a moron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Bernie will bring about a more free market in the US than Trump. Hence the reason I wouldn't mind having him as my next president.
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    If the US govt ends their official and clandestine attacks on Venezuela, I can brush up on my Spanish and move there.

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF :
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Better?


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    That same Bernie Sanders whose alot worse on foreign policy? and wants Russia to give back Crimea to Ukraine? when knowing fully well the majority of the population in Crimea are 98% Eastern Ukrainian Slavic?

    Bernie Sanders doesn't want open borders as well?

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    This guy is hopeless. Where was this published? Hopefully nowhere.



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    Nevada has officially been Californicated.
    When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? - Miguel de Cervantes, (Don Quixote)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    A picture is worth a 1000 words...


    This guy has been shilling against libertarianism for ten years. He keeps writing the same article over and over again.

    A RESPONSE TO EDWIN LYNGAR’S FAILED ATTACK ON LIBERTARIANISM
    DECEMBER 28, 2013 WILL SHANAHAN

    Edwin Lyngar’s “Why I fled libertarianism—and became a liberal” is a terribly disappointing article. It is an article that deserves very little attention and I find it disappointing that an article with such little content could be published by Salon. At no point does the author criticize actual libertarian philosophy or viewpoints, except in passing. Instead he employs only strawmen and “guilt by association” fallacies to make his case against libertarianism.

    Lyngar does not hide his ignorance of libertarian philosophy. In fact, he starts his article by writing “The night before the 2008 Nevada Republican convention, the Ron Paul delegates all met at a Reno high school. Although I’d called myself a libertarian for almost my entire adult life, it was my first exposure to the wider movement” (Lyngar). Any sensible person who reads these opening lines would find themselves wondering “was Lyngar ever actually a libertarian?” After all, how could he self-identify as a libertarian and know nothing about its broader movement?
    ...
    More: https://thefuriouslibertarian.wordpr...ibertarianism/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Just another self loathing idiot white guy, so poisoned against his own heritage he looks forward to the day of being washed away in the unwholesome flood.
    He probably wouldn’t deny it...

    I lost my dad to Fox News: How a generation was captured by thrashing hysteria
    Old white people are drowning in despair and rage. Here's how my father lost his mind -- thanks to his cable diet
    By Edwin Lyngar

    Old, white, wrinkled and angry, they are slipping from polite society in alarming numbers. We’re losing much of a generation. They often sport hats or other clothing, some marking their status as veterans, Tea Partyers or “patriots” of some kind or another. They have yellow flags, bumper stickers and an unquenchable rage. They used to be the brave men and women who took on America’s challenges, tackling the '60s, the Cold War and the Reagan years -- but now many are terrified by the idea of slightly more affordable healthcare and a very moderate Democrat in the White House.
    ...
    As I drifted left, the white, Republican right veered into incalculable levels of conservative rage, arriving at their inevitable destination with the creation of the Tea Party movement.

    When I finally pulled the handle for Obama in 2012, my father could not believe how far I’d fallen. I have avoided talking politics with him as much as possible ever since.
    ...
    More: https://www.salon.com/2014/02/27/i_l...hing_hysteria/
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    This guy has been shilling against libertarianism for ten years. He keeps writing the same article over and over again.
    Also, from five years ago: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...n-The-Honduras


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    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    This guy has been shilling against libertarianism for ten years. He keeps writing the same article over and over again.
    As a commie that has relied on government to breathe, would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Bernie will bring about a more free market in the US than Trump. Hence the reason I wouldn't mind having him as my next president.
    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    If the US govt ends their official and clandestine attacks on Venezuela, I can brush up on my Spanish and move there.

    @Ehanced_Deficit's real agenda on RPF :
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    CIA-B (Brennan)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Lol. Just a slight variation from his other “articles”.

    Looked at his Twitter feed. He likes and retweets people like Bill Kristol and Shaun King. A neoconservative SJW.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    They say that we need radical change, drastic change.

    Yet this is the country that refugees flock to. Granted it's not perfect, but it's a helluva lot better than most other countries.

    So here we have people flicking here from Mexico, Venezuela, and other craphole countries. So many that we are inundated, and what do clowns like Bernie and his followers want? They want us to drastically change to be more like those crap countries that literally millions are fleeing.

    Radical change! Are they crazy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    They say that we need radical change, drastic change.

    Yet this is the country that refugees flock to. Granted it's not perfect, but it's a helluva lot better than most other countries.

    So here we have people flicking here from Mexico, Venezuela, and other craphole countries. So many that we are inundated, and what do clowns like Bernie and his followers want? They want us to drastically change to be more like those crap countries that literally millions are fleeing.

    Radical change! Are they crazy?
    The voters are crazy, Bernie and his ilk plan to be the overlords.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The voters are crazy, Bernie and his ilk plan to be the overlords.
    The voters are gullible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    The voters are gullible.
    To the point of insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    NH is crawling with ex-Ron Paulers who think the same way.
    They both have something in common: they are a wild element the establishment appears to not like. They both appeal to disenchanted/alienated people who feel like the current system is failing. And of course they're totally right: our system of government and society is totally dysfunctional.

    They both have different prescriptions, but the diagnosis is the same. Or at least same enough: "Horrible mess; huge change needed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    To the point of insanity.
    Why call the general condition of virtually all humanity "insane"?

    People have always been gullible, as far as I can tell.

    What is insane is the idea of letting the peasants all vote. And then acting upon how that vote comes out.

    Of course, powerful people would never actually do that. In our system, and all other "democracies," they just pretend to care what that vote is, and actually just do whatever, and the voters have virtually no control at all. Which is also a pretty insane way to do it.

    Democracy theater is a cruel and evil way to run a country. And insulting to our intelligence!

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    True libertarians are supportive of LGBTQ rights, drug legalization, criminal justice reform, reproductive rights and a host of progressive social issues.
    I see relatively few people being organically super-excited about any of those issues. Drug legalization would have the biggest fan base, but it has already largely happened.
    I didn't realize then that government is the only tool available to level the playing field, and by succumbing to the decades-long GOP crusade to vilify our own government and institutions, we end up powerless against business interests, polluters and hucksters determined to loot the country.
    Now "I will steal money from billlionaires and multinational corporations and give it to you" is a stance that will a get lot more support from broke millennials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    Why call the general condition of virtually all humanity "insane"?

    People have always been gullible, as far as I can tell.

    What is insane is the idea of letting the peasants all vote. And then acting upon how that vote comes out.

    Of course, powerful people would never actually do that. In our system, and all other "democracies," they just pretend to care what that vote is, and actually just do whatever, and the voters have virtually no control at all. Which is also a pretty insane way to do it.

    Democracy theater is a cruel and evil way to run a country. And insulting to our intelligence!
    Most of humanity IS insane, we live in an insane asylum.
    But communists and those who listen to them are more insane than most of humanity throughout history.

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