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  1. #31
    Irans missile strike was like nothing America has seen against it in a long time. (Despite the Press dismissing it)

    Is it 100 service members have concussion symptoms now??

    Trump & his admin need to make sure they are working for US interest in ME & not Israel or SA first.

    Good for Congress taking sane step back.



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  3. #32
    So Romney voted against it? lol

    Trump abuses power (true) but let's not have Congress assert their constitutional authority.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    So Romney voted against it? lol

    Trump abuses power (true) but let's not have Congress assert their constitutional authority.
    As Brian pointed out he votes with the MIC... Constitution be damned.

  6. #34
    If Trump does veto, I think enough Senators would take it as an affront to their responsibilities that they could get enough votes to override the veto.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    If Trump does veto, I think enough Senators would take it as an affront to their responsibilities that they could get enough votes to override the veto.
    That won't happen... it needs 2/3rd;s and we can only get 8 GOP..... Math need another 13 and that's impossible. They're all in the hands of the powerful MIC

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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    That won't happen... it needs 2/3rd;s and we can only get 8 GOP..... Math need another 13 and that's impossible. They're all in the hands of the powerful MIC
    Traditional line of thinking agrees with you. I don't think this is a traditional time though....we shall see.

    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    This will be vetoed
    eta: On Liberty Report, Ron says that since it's a concurrent resolution and not actual legislation it isn't something that can legally be veto'ed by POTUS any way. Rand wasn't sure.
    Last edited by devil21; 02-13-2020 at 03:22 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

  10. #38

    Cool Great Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    None. All 47 [D] voted for it along with 8 GOP (55-45)
    Great Americans.
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    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Traditional line of thinking agrees with you. I don't think this is a traditional time though....we shall see.



    eta: On Liberty Report, Ron says that since it's a concurrent resolution and not actual legislation it isn't something that can legally be veto'ed by POTUS any way. Rand wasn't sure.
    So it is a symbolic statement that's nonbinding. I read that it was before but with all the headlines it got lost.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Traditional line of thinking agrees with you. I don't think this is a traditional time though....we shall see.



    eta: On Liberty Report, Ron says that since it's a concurrent resolution and not actual legislation it isn't something that can legally be veto'ed by POTUS any way. Rand wasn't sure.
    The House passed a concurrent. The Senate passed a Joint. The joint is legislation that if passed by both houses goes to the presidents desk. The majority leader (Hoyer) has said the House will now take up the Senate's Joint resolution and pass it so it will go to the president's desk and he will veto it but its a message telling him to back off.

    This is my understanding. It's not easy to follow. They like to make it complicated and arcane so the peons don't understand.
    Last edited by Warlord; 02-13-2020 at 03:58 PM.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by TomtheTinker View Post
    So are you for or against limiting the presidents war powers?
    For.

    I am for limiting the war powers of ALL Presidents for ALL wars.

  15. #42
    Eight Senate Republicans voted Thursday for a resolution that would curb President Trump’s ability to take military action against Iran without congressional approval.

    The Senate passed the resolution in a 55-45 vote, sending it to the House, where Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has said the measure will come up for a vote after lawmakers return from next week's recess.

    The resolution requires Trump to remove U.S. troops against hostilities against Iran unless Congress authorizes military action. Tensions between Washington and Tehran escalated earlier this year in the wake of airstrikes that killed Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani.

    The measure garnered support from every Democrat, including the chamber's three 2020 contenders who returned from the trail for the vote. It also won over twice as many Republicans—included libertarian-minded senators to moderates—comparedd a failed effort in June to block Trump from using funding to carry out military action against Iran.

    Here are the eight GOP senators who voted to rein in Trump’s war authority:

    Sen. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.):
    Alexander, a Senate institutionalist who is retiring, opposed the June proposal to block Trump from using funding, but has also broken with Trump on significant votes including supporting nixing the border wall emergency declaration. He said after the vote that it was "about the United States Constitution."

    "It preserves the commander in chief’s Article II constitutional responsibility to defend the country and Congress’ Article I responsibility to declare war," he added.

    Sen. Bill Cassidy (La.):
    Cassidy was one of eight Republicans who voted to take up the resolution earlier this week. He declined to say earlier Thursday if he would support it on final passage, saying that he wanted to see how it would be amended but noted his support on the procedural vote.

    Sen. Susan Collins (Maine): Collins, who is up for reelection, was one of four Republicans who also voted to block Trump from using funding to take military action against Iran.

    She positioned her support as about reclaiming Congress's constitutional authorities, telling reporters that it's "important to reassert the legislative branch’s role regardless of which party occupies the Whie House."

    Sen. Mike Lee (Utah): Lee, a libertarian-leaning Republican, has been at the center of the chamber's debates over Congress's war authority. He announced after a closed-door briefing with the administration that he would support Kaine's resolution, calling the meeting "the worst briefing I've seen, at least on a military issue."

    Sen. Jerry Moran (Kan.): Moran was viewed as a potential swing vote on the war powers resolution. He voted against the June amendment to block funding for military action against Iran, but has also supported previous war powers resolutions targeting the Saudi-led military campaign in Yemen.

    He said in a statement after the vote that any military action against Iran "ought to be considered by the full Congress on behalf of the people it represents."

    Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska): Murkowski had indicated last month that she was a likely no vote, telling an Alaska radio station that she was "hesitant to sign on to it for a host of different reasons.”

    But Murkowski hinted that she could be changing her mind, telling reporters last week during the impeachment trial that Congress needed to "wake up" and become more assertive and noted that there was a war powers debate coming up.

    She said as recently as Tuesday that she had not made a decision on Kaine's resolution, which underwent revisions since its introduction.

    Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.)
    : Paul is viewed as an outlier within the Senate GOP caucus when it comes to foreign policy and, like Lee, routinely teams up with Democrats on war powers resolutions. He announced with Lee after the closed-door briefing last month on the Soleimani strike that he would support Kaine's resolution, noting he had been waiting to see the administration's intelligence before finalizing his decision.

    Sen. Todd Young (Ind.): Young signed onto the resolution after Kaine made changes to the proposal, including removing references to Trump in the "findings" section. He said on Thursday that he supports the Soleimani strike but that Congress has been "AWOL" on national security in recent decades.
    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4...ran-war-powers
    Last edited by Warlord; 02-13-2020 at 08:54 PM.

  16. #43
    This came up in another news report:

    Wed March 4, 2020
    (CNN)The American Israel Public Affairs Committee announced that some people who were potentially in contact with a coronavirus patient attended the group's Washington conference earlier this week -- as did several political leaders.
    The annual three-day event, which ran from Sunday to Tuesday, attracts more than 18,000 people, according to the pro-Israel lobbying group's website. The news comes following confirmation earlier Wednesday of the 11th US death from the disease as the global toll of coronavirus deaths continues to climb into the thousands.
    CNN reported last week that more than 60 US personnel who traveled to Israel for an exercise to train against regional threats such as Iran began returning to their bases in Europe on Friday at the request of the Israeli government after the exercise was canceled, although none of them were reported to be ill.

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