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Thread: More hypocrisy from The Donald (PATRIOT Act)

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    More hypocrisy from The Donald (PATRIOT Act)

    He complains about being spied upon yet he re-authorizes the PATRIOT Act.

    Does The Donald even know what he's signing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You can be against abuse of government resources and not be against the government having resources that you believe are necessary.
    That's ridiculous.

    Another one added to the ignore list.

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    Pretty sure The Donald knows exactly what hes signing.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Pretty sure The Donald knows exactly what hes signing.
    I think your right. Another case of lying to the public by a petty politician.

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    Hillary is serving year two in Prison
    Obama Care was repealed
    Our Second Amendment is safe
    The IRS tax code was simplified (you just say kiss off I owe nothing)
    America First (Send Billions to Israel while Vets starve)
    Due Process Later
    Chinese are really being hit hard with Tariffs lol (accept it is me that is paying 30% more for their imports)

    More 3D Chess

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You can be against abuse of government resources and not be against the government having resources that you believe are necessary.
    Do you remember how they packaged and sold the Patriot Act to America?
    Do you know what it was really for?
    Do you know how they use it?

    ....and you do know about NSA...



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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You can be against abuse of government resources and not be against the government having resources that you believe are necessary.
    The patriot act is an abuse of government resources.

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    Yes!! The Donald is so awesome! He is everything that this site was founded on and then some. He is more Ron Paul than even Ron Paul! You cannot get more Ron Paul than the MAGA! <Sarcasm>

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    Bad legislation made worse by each successive potus.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEF View Post
    Yes!! The Donald is so awesome! He is everything that this site was founded on and then some. He is more Ron Paul than even Ron Paul! You cannot get more Ron Paul than the MAGA! <Sarcasm>
    This is just annoying and counter productive. You aren't winning any trump supporters over while displaying clear signs of TDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    The patriot act is an abuse of government resources.
    Reverse engineering the FISA warrant process to spy on American citizens is exactly what they said they wouldn't use it for though. That's like using WMDs on American citizens. The government spying tools and agencies are silent WMDs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    This is just annoying and counter productive. You aren't winning any trump supporters over while displaying clear signs of TDS.
    To be truthful and accurate (to my best) TDS does not apply to those with actual issues regarding Trump, TDS
    is a socialist liberal condition of tantrums brought on by them losing 2016, for the most part they are
    not even aware or cognizant of issues., they sure as hell can't hold an intelligent conversation regarding
    actual issues.

    I was a hugely vocal supporter of Trump from the campaign through till about jan of '19, I supported him based
    on issues, as I imagine keef and so many of the rest of us here did.
    My problem with Trump, post jan '19 is based solely on issues, Trump did not keep the promises we
    all thought he was making.

    ....and one that I forgot to mention was stopping the endless wars, bringing our troops home, what did we
    get , last thing I heard from Trump was that our Military is bigger and stronger than ever , oh yea
    and we extra judicially murdered a General......yea, I'm not real pleased at this point, I may have to vote
    for him to keep Bernie out , but I'm not voting out of 'love' for Trump's policies at this juncture.
    Last edited by Stratovarious; 02-10-2020 at 04:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    To be truthful and accurate (to my best) TDS does not apply to those with actual issues regarding Trump, TDS
    is a socialist liberal condition of tantrums brought on by them losing 2016, for the most part they are
    not even aware or cognizant of issues., they sure as hell can't hold an intelligent conversation regarding
    actual issues.

    I was a hugely vocal supporter of Trump from the campaign through till about jan of '19, I supported him based
    on issues, as I imagine keef and so many of the rest of us here did.
    My problem with Trump, post jan '19 is based solely on issues, Trump did not keep the promises we
    all thought he was making.

    ....and one that I forgot to mention was stopping the endless wars, bringing our troops home, what did we
    get , last thing I heard from Trump was that our Military is bigger and stronger than ever , oh yea
    and we extra judicially murdered a General......yea, I'm not real pleased at this point, I may have to vote
    for him to keep Bernie out , but I'm not voting out of 'love' for Trump's policies at this juncture.
    You will probably love Pete. He wants mandatory military service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You will probably love Pete. He wants mandatory military service.
    He needs to find a Better 'gig' .



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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Biden wrote the Patriot act. I guess that leaves Amy. Would you vote against her?
    I doubt Biden wrote anything I'm sure though that he stamped his name on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Biden wrote the Patriot act. I guess that leaves Amy. Would you vote against her?
    Apologies in advance, what Amy? His wife , I don't know who that is...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Apologies in advance, what Amy? His wife , I don't know who that is...........
    Klobuchar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    To be truthful and accurate (to my best) TDS does not apply to those with actual issues regarding Trump, TDS
    is a socialist liberal condition of tantrums brought on by them losing 2016, for the most part they are
    not even aware or cognizant of issues., they sure as hell can't hold an intelligent conversation regarding
    actual issues.

    I was a hugely vocal supporter of Trump from the campaign through till about jan of '19, I supported him based
    on issues, as I imagine keef and so many of the rest of us here did.
    My problem with Trump, post jan '19 is based solely on issues, Trump did not keep the promises we
    all thought he was making.

    ....and one that I forgot to mention was stopping the endless wars, bringing our troops home, what did we
    get , last thing I heard from Trump was that our Military is bigger and stronger than ever , oh yea
    and we extra judicially murdered a General......yea, I'm not real pleased at this point, I may have to vote
    for him to keep Bernie out , but I'm not voting out of 'love' for Trump's policies at this juncture.
    TDS is more a mentality. It isn't about not supporting him or or his policies. I don't support a lot of his actions. That doesn't mean I want to antagonize his supporters. We have common ground, and more importantly, attacking Trump instead of his actions, will never result in Trump receiving any backlash from his supporters for his poor choices. Attacking the patriot act and expressing your disappointment with Trump continuing the status quo will go much further than attacking Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    TDS is more a mentality. It isn't about not supporting him or or his policies. I don't support a lot of his actions. That doesn't mean I want to antagonize his supporters. We have common ground, and more importantly, attacking Trump instead of his actions, will never result in Trump receiving any backlash from his supporters for his poor choices. Attacking the patriot act and expressing your disappointment with Trump continuing the status quo will go much further than attacking Trump.
    Did you not just repeat what I have just stated and have always said here on this forum
    and anywhere else that I have posted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandmastersexsay View Post
    This is just annoying and counter productive. You aren't winning any trump supporters over while displaying clear signs of TDS.
    I appreciate your point of view, but no it is not TDS. I just never have supported Trump, and more than likely never will. Then the whole idea of trying to convince me to hold my nose and vote for him because he isn’t the other team is the same voting block mentality that got our country where it is today regarding how partisan it is.

    If you truly believe in what he is dishing out, then keep being you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEF View Post
    I appreciate your point of view, but no it is not TDS. I just never have supported Trump, and more than likely never will. Then the whole idea of trying to convince me to hold my nose and vote for him because he isn’t the other team is the same voting block mentality that got our country where it is today regarding how partisan it is.

    If you truly believe in what he is dishing out, then keep being you.
    Feel the same. Donald is a big government conservative. I praise him when he does something right and condemn him when he doesn't. His fans on here have blind loyalty and make excuses for everything even if it flies in the face of what Ron Paul has taught us. it's annoying but there you go.



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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEF View Post
    I appreciate your point of view, but no it is not TDS. I just never have supported Trump, and more than likely never will. Then the whole idea of trying to convince me to hold my nose and vote for him because he isn’t the other team is the same voting block mentality that got our country where it is today regarding how partisan it is.

    If you truly believe in what he is dishing out, then keep being you.
    I don't think anyone in history has ever gotten a government that they agree with 100% of the time. I have seen what happens when only dumb and ignorant people participate though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    You can be against abuse of government resources and not be against the government having resources that you believe are necessary.
    Then you really don't understand how this all works then do you?

    Government resources were designed by people who's goal it is to abuse and figure out how to make it work for the government
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever..... just like Trump said.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Do you remember how they packaged and sold the Patriot Act to America?
    Do you know what it was really for?
    Do you know how they use it?

    ....and you do know about NSA...
    It's what the people want though. They can install socialism too if enough people want it. Do you really think Trump could of won with a Ron Paul platform? Do you really believe that? Do you believe he could get rid of it all as president? Don't you think he can do more good as president by doing what is possible than never getting elected? Do you really feel like Hillary or Jeb would of done a better job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    Then you really don't understand how this all works then do you?

    Government resources were designed by people who's goal it is to abuse and figure out how to make it work for the government
    Traffic analysis was what helped us beat the Germans and probably saved the lives of 10s of thousands. It's how we won the cold war. The spies took out the Iraqi air force before it was in the air which saved lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    It's what the people want though. They can install socialism too if enough people want it. Do you really think Trump could of won with a Ron Paul platform? Do you really believe that? Do you believe he could get rid of it all as president? Don't you think he can do more good as president by doing what is possible than never getting elected? Do you really feel like Hillary or Jeb would of done a better job?
    No, it is not what the people want, and re read #14 or read it period, your post here indicates that you did not
    read it or lack comprehension skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Traffic analysis was what helped us beat the Germans and probably saved the lives of 10s of thousands. It's how we won the cold war. The spies took out the Iraqi air force before it was in the air which saved lives.
    lol
    We weren't at war with Iraq, it was an un constitutional invasion, a million innocent civilians
    died because of us, how do we declare that we saved lives by causing the death of a million innocents' ?

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