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    Please give examples why be a libertarian in an unfree world?

    Video project Libertarian Minute is preparing its 4th episode on topic "practical benefits of being a libertarian in an unfree world." We need some of the best examples of how has libertarianism benefited you or helped you avoid/lessen the damaging impact of the State on your life. Ideas, please!

    Update with tentative introduction:

    In an unfree world, libertarian worldview is a life vest for saving the individual from the State. In this episode we give some examples of benefits of libertarian worldview applied in real life.
    Last edited by yadranko; 01-14-2021 at 02:55 AM. Reason: to help better explain the subject's intent
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    It allowed me to not give a $#@! about things that don't matter.

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    If we lived in a free world, there would be no point in being labelled libertarian, unless somebody was trying to change it.
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    Sharing information freely is an underrated liberty.

    Without liberty, formulation of thoughts and discussion are outlawed.

    If you are not a supporter of liberty, small l libertarian, how can one even support anything?

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    I see it as an easy natural progression . Be responsible for yourself , set a good example and don't worry about activities others participate in that you would not if it brings no harm to others .

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    First post back in years… Just wanted to hop in here and basically say that having my eyes opened to libertarianism, Austrian economics, etc. has shaped me into what I would label a "responsible" human being. Before Ron Paul and all of this, I was just another average joe going through life, being mad at the rich, wanting to turn the Middle East into a glass parking lot, and was a real mouth breather.

    Now, I see things for how they really are, or at least I think I do.
    I don't envy the rich, I applaud them (except when they screw over everyone else by using their influence, but that's another trail to take another time).
    I want the U.S. to leave the Middle East alone and quit the nonsensical killing by Western forces. Just leave them alone.

    I don't want everyone to be slaves to the government or corporations. I want people to have free associations and not be forced into so many "contracts" as required by the cities, states, countries, etc. they "live" in.

    I want people to be educated and responsible. Treat each other, the earth, etc. with the golden rule (I remember you, South Carolina).

    Sorry for not elaborating and being all over the place with this post.
    Welcome to the R3VOLUTION!

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    Thanks everyone who contributed ideas so far. Some have been right in the bulls-eye of what is needed, others were more general. I have just updated the original post with a tentative introduction, to help better narrow and explain the content formulation that we need. Please see the intro text copy below (to be narrated by a charming lady pin-up model):

    Welcome to the 4th Libertarian Minute. Given that live in an unfree world, libertarianism at first glance may sound like a failed ideology, bringing only loneliness and apathy to its enthusiasts. However, libertarian wisdom is the most valuable and useful in environments where there is no freedom.
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    We have one contribution so far (raw and uncut), probably to be used as the last example before the closing comment. Need 3 - 4 more 'specific' examples.

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    https://www.libertarianism.org/blog/...libertarianism


    As a political philosophy, libertarianism, in the broadest sense of the term, places liberty first. The role of the state is to protect the liberty of its citizens and its citizens must respect the rights of each other.


    For me: Realization that the left and the right bicker about stomping on peoples rights.

    RPF Poster: "Liberty is the greatest form of tolerance" - Someone here long ago posted that and I never forgot it. Maybe they had borrowed it from another source idk. Nonetheless it rings true for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yadranko View Post
    Video project Libertarian Minute is preparing its 4th episode on topic "why be a libertarian in an unfree world?" We need some of the best examples of how has libertarianism benefited you or helped you change your life for the better. Ideas, please!


    Libertarianism isn't veganism or yoga or a self-help group. People are libertarians because, in virtue of having certain values and being relatively intelligent, they can't help but object to the obscenities of socialism or other alternatives to the market order, not because simply being a libertarian grants one the power to leap over tall buildings. Ask a theoretical physicist how believing in [insert whichever contemporary theory of physics is correct] has improved their day to day lives; that doesn't make sense, does it? I don't mean to $#@! on your parade, I do appreciate your enthusiasm, but "lifestyle libertarianism" is a cul-de-sac. We are here to make the world more libertarian, not to somehow use our belief in libertarianism to achieve happiness, or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post


    Libertarianism isn't veganism or yoga or a self-help group. People are libertarians because, in virtue of having certain values and being relatively intelligent, they can't help but object to the obscenities of socialism or other alternatives to the market order, not because simply being a libertarian grants one the power to leap over tall buildings. Ask a theoretical physicist how believing in [insert whichever contemporary theory of physics is correct] has improved their day to day lives; that doesn't make sense, does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post


    Libertarianism isn't veganism or yoga or a self-help group. People are libertarians because, in virtue of having certain values and being relatively intelligent, they can't help but object to the obscenities of socialism or other alternatives to the market order, not because simply being a libertarian grants one the power to leap over tall buildings. Ask a theoretical physicist how believing in [insert whichever contemporary theory of physics is correct] has improved their day to day lives; that doesn't make sense, does it? I don't mean to $#@! on your parade, I do appreciate your enthusiasm, but "lifestyle libertarianism" is a cul-de-sac. We are here to make the world more libertarian, not to somehow use our belief in libertarianism to achieve happiness, or whatever.
    Thanks! I understand what you mean, and it makes sense on its own terms. But, for example, wouldn't you agree that libertarian philosophy is a life vest for rescuing individuals from the state?! People who believe in the state cannot save themselves. They need libertarian mindset in order to run away from the state. Is that generally not a good example how libertarianism benefits individuals in an unfree world? And then we can go to specific examples, which is what I'm looking for ideas. it is to show those who are unsure about libertarianism/are only discovering it how it could benefit them in their relationship to the state. Give me another take, please.
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    why?

    You won't go hungry, and starve to death noticing that you're starving , and enslaved because you're too busy mental masturbating about how donald Trump is an authoritarian etc etc, while rome burns

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    The thread title is like asking, "Please give examples of why you say it's wrong to steal in a world where people steal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    The thread title is like asking, "Please give examples of why you say it's wrong to steal in a world where people steal."
    I agree with what you said, but that is not what I'm looking for. Most people don't have that luxury to work as part of the Stet or to be in bed with it. How libertarian worldview helps the everyday folk see the state for what it is and gets them to act upon it? Practical examples of benefits of self reliance and protecting themselves from theft by the state and not feeling like criminals for defying the state.

    1. Government education inadequate, designed to serve the State - taking responsibility and investing in education that is important in real life
    2. Job perception, not a right that is secured by government but something one must deserve, thus investing in training, migrating to freer economies with better opportunities, etc.
    3. Making money - earnings, taxation is theft - meaning that fruits of my labor are mine, so I have every right to keep it and will do so whenever I can and not feel like a criminal in doing so.
    4. economic activities - not discouraged by and not abide to state laws
    6. Retirement - acting independently of government in securing one's own funds

    Am I really in error here?!? Are these not benefits of libertarian worldview translated in practice in an unfree world? Or is there no difference between statist and libertarian practice in real life?

    Please advise further!
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