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    Nancy Pelosi Should Resign - The Hill

    By Jonathan Turley, The Hill

    The House has its share of infamies, great and small, real and symbolic, and has been the scene of personal infamies from brawls to canings. But the conduct of Speaker Nancy Pelosi at the State of the Union address this week will go down as a day of infamy for the chamber as an institution. It has long been a tradition for House speakers to remain stoic and neutral in listening to the address. However, Pelosi seemed to be intent on mocking President Trump from behind his back with sophomoric facial grimaces and head shaking, culminating in her ripping up a copy of his address.

    Her drop the mic moment will have a lasting impact on the House. While many will celebrate her trolling of the president, she tore up something far more important than a speech. Pelosi has shredded decades of tradition, decorum, and civility that the nation could use now more than ever. The House speaker is more than a political partisan, particularly when carrying out functions such as the State of the Union address. A president appears in the House as a guest of both chambers of Congress. The House speaker represents not her party or herself but the entirety of the chamber. At that moment, she must transcend her own political ambitions and loyalties.

    Tensions for this address were high. The House impeachment managers sat as a group in front of the president as a reminder of the ongoing trial. That can be excused as a silent but pointed message from the Democrats. Trump hardly covered himself with glory by not shaking hands with Pelosi. I also strongly disliked elements of his address which bordered on “check under your seat” moments, and the awarding of conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh with the Presidential Medal of Freedom inside the House gallery like a Mardi Gras bead toss. However, if Trump made the State of the Union look like Oprah, then Pelosi made it look like Jerry Springer.

    What followed was an utter disgrace. First, Pelosi dropped the traditional greeting before the start of the address, “Members of Congress, I have the high privilege and distinct honor of presenting to you the president of the United States.” Instead, she simply announced, “Members of Congress, the president of the United States.” It was extremely petty and profoundly inappropriate. Putting aside the fact that this is not her tradition, but that of the House, it is no excuse to note that the president was impeached.

    Such an indignity was not imposed on President Clinton during his own impeachment proceeding, and anyone respecting due process would note that Trump has been accused, not convicted, at this point in the constitutional process. Pelosi proceeded to repeatedly shake her head, mouth words to others, and visibly disagree with the address. It was like some distempered distracting performance art behind the president.

    My revulsion over this has nothing to do with impeachment. Six years ago, I wrote a column denouncing Supreme Court Associate Justice Samuel Alito for mouthing the words “not true” when President Obama used his address to criticize the court for its decision in the Citizens United case. I considered his response to be a disgrace and wrote a column criticizing Chief Justice John Roberts for not publicly chastising Alito for breach of tradition. Instead, Roberts seemed to defend Alito in criticizing Obama for his “very troubling” language and saying that it was unfair to criticize the court when the justices, “according to the requirements of protocol,” have “to sit there expressionless.” That was not unfair. That was being judicious.

    I also wrote a column denouncing Republican Representative Joe Wilson, who shouted “you lie!” at Obama during his State of the Union address in 2009. Wilson should have been severely sanctioned for that breach. When I wrote those columns, I had never imagined that a House speaker would engage in conduct far in excess of those controversies. After all, House speakers often have been required to sit through addresses they despised from presidents of the opposing party.

    The House speaker is third in line of succession to the presidency and the representative of the chamber as a whole. She is not some Sinead O’Connor ripping up a photograph of the pope on Saturday Night Live while shouting aloud “fight the real enemy!”

    Pelosi, like her predecessors, is supposed to remain stone faced during the address even if the president leaves her personally enraged. Indeed, House speakers have been the authority who kept other members in silent deference and respect, if not to the president, then to the office. However, Pelosi appeared to goad the mob, like a high schooler making mad little faces behind the school principal at an assembly. It worked as members protested and interrupted Trump. Pelosi became another Democratic leader, little more than a twitching embodiment of this age of rage.

    This is not to suggest that the House has always listened to its better angels. More than 180 years ago, a confrontation between Democratic Representative Jonathan Cilley and Whig Representative William Graves led to a duel over what Graves viewed as a slight on the House floor. In February 1838, the two decided to meet in Maryland for a duel with rifles, and Graves killed Cilley after both missed each other twice. In response, the House quickly pushed forward antidueling legislation in Congress.

    Pelosi has demolished decades of tradition with this poorly considered moment. Of course, many will celebrate her conduct and be thrilled by the insult to Trump. However, even those of us who disagree with his policies should consider what Pelosi destroyed in her moment of rage. She shredded the pretense of governing with civility and dignity in the House. Notably, she did not wait to rip up her copy of the speech until after she left the House floor. Pelosi wanted to do it at the end of the speech, in front of the camera, with the president still in the chamber.

    That act was more important to Pelosi than preserving the tradition of her office. In doing so, she forfeited the right to occupy that office. If Pelosi cannot maintain the dignity and neutrality of her office at the State of the Union, she should resign as the speaker of the House of Representatives.

    Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law for George Washington University and served as the last lead counsel during a Senate impeachment trial. He testified as a witness expert in the House Judiciary Committee hearing during the impeachment inquiry of President Trump.
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    https://twitter.com/muh_thoughts/sta...76948677328897


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    Impeach Pelosi
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    And wherever her ancestors are from, send her back
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    One could argue that Trump started it by not shaking her hand when he arrived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intrepid View Post
    One could argue that Trump started it by not shaking her hand when he arrived.
    One could argue that, but that person would be dumb
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Pelosi should have resigned a long time ago. At this point we'll have to wait until she kicks the buckets and finally dies.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Pelosi should have resigned a long time ago. At this point we'll have to wait until she kicks the buckets and finally dies.
    But we need her to keep being the first woman speaker of the house again.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    Pelosi is not mentally competent but selected by the people of her district who are the same. I blame the other dems for her being allowed to disgrace the position of speaker .
    Do something Danke

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    I am repulsed by all that participated in that $#@!show, as usual, but do agree that the hag won biggest POS of the night and that is no easy task.

    A TRILLION a year in deficits and the $#@!ing (R)s are seal-clapping and doing laps with Mr. Chapter 7 and not a damn word about it from "conservatives". Hollowing out the future prosperity of generations.
    I do not consent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intrepid View Post
    One could argue that Trump started it by not shaking her hand when he arrived.
    Trump didn't shake Pence's hand either. He gave her and Pence a copy of the speech, and that is what occupied the "hands".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intrepid View Post
    One could argue that Trump started it by not shaking her hand when he arrived.
    She did not give the traditional introduction, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intrepid View Post
    One could argue that Trump started it by not shaking her hand when he arrived.
    He just wasn't shaking hands, he didn't shake Pence's hand either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He just wasn't shaking hands, he didn't shake Pence's hand either.
    That is what I saw too. He was too involved with delivering his message and just goofed the formal protocols.
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    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/05/media...rip/index.html

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's shredding of President Trump's State of the Union speech was ripped right from Trump's playbook.

    It was unprecedented behavior for a speaker, aggressively rude and unapologetically meant to rile up her base. It was divisive, but effective.


    The tear seemed to get just as much morning TV attention as the content of Trump's speech. Conservatives denounced her disrespect. Liberals praised her passion. Both sides were incentivized to heap attention onto the moment. It took the Democrats three years, but they may have finally figured out how to control a news cycle in the Trump era.

    Overnight and into the morning, the video snippet was shown on a loop on TV and the web. It was, even some of Pelosi's critics begrudgingly admitted, perfect fodder for the meme wars.

    "She gave us something to talk about. She knew exactly what she was doing," Fox's Steve Doocy said as he reenacted the ripping to great effect.

    It turned the annual address into a personality clash between a Republican man who said he was turning America around and a Democratic woman who said he was lying.

    On social media, partisans argued over "who started it" — Pelosi by leading the House to impeach Trump, or Trump by appearing to ignore her outstretched hand when he walked into the House chamber on Tuesday night.
    Trump produced his own morning show on Twitter, with a burst of anti-Pelosi retweets, many featuring the hashtag #PelosiTantrum. By 8 a.m., he had shared more posts about her than about his own speech.
    Ripping up a piece of paper is only a big story if members of the media decide to make it a big story, and if members of the public respond by reading and watching and reacting.

    Whether these attention-grabbing tactics are in the best interest of the country, well, that's a debate that requires more than one TV segment worth of time. Producers would rather move on to the next controversy instead.
    More at link.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 02-05-2020 at 06:37 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    It was a disaster that will drive anyone with half a brain cell away from the Demoncrats.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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